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Post by Value Buy on Jun 29, 2011 10:05:15 GMT -5
I have a solution. Florida is full of "near death" citizens who want to go "home" to family and friends up north to say good bye. Maybe TSA and the airlines can start a once a week mercy flight for the incontinent, and have special screenings for all scheduled octogenarians, and up, where, diapers will not be checked. Only their nurses or family members will have to undergo the searches. There could be a fast pass post to get them thru the normal checkpoint for the Masses, much like they have for the employees, now. Something like the fast pass at Universal Studios, etc.
Then we can do a fast pass checkpoint for the Jihadists, too, as we know they are also offended, to have to follow the rules. Another solution would be scheduled special Greyhound busses driving them back home.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 29, 2011 10:24:12 GMT -5
Do we know for sure she filed this complaint and what it said? According to the story in the OP, yes. According to reality...who knows any more. The opening article seems to have been a bit premature.
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Post by Driftr on Jul 5, 2011 7:50:04 GMT -5
Our TX Speaker (Joe Straus) has flat out said that HB41 which Dewhurst got pulled from normal session and then begged Perry to put into special session where he sat on it until just last week will not come up for a vote as worded. This is the same 'person' who said that ""The will of the House should guide this House. And the will of the House does not begin in the Speaker’s office" when he was campaigning to stay Speaker. All I can say at this point is that Texas politics make me sick and we'll be driving until further notice. Who knows, maybe in the next couple years a state will be found with the 'nads to actually do something rather than talk about it. I can say for certain that after this latest charade Perry will never receive a vote of mine. We don't technically need 'special laws'. We need local law enforcement to start taking action when the TSA agents act outside of existing law. No warrant, no probable cause-- no search. Period. Paul, Did you have anything to do with this? www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150236354954690
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Post by maui1 on Jul 5, 2011 8:38:03 GMT -5
more individual freedoms have been lost under the guise of SAFETY than any other single word in our history.
we can make EVERYTHING safe, if we spend everything we can ever hope to have, and take away every individual right we have as americans.
but..........would we still be living in what we would still be calling the USA?
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Post by robbase on Jul 5, 2011 9:26:55 GMT -5
get real people. It is a NEW world. If you WANT to fly, you have to go by the new rules, regardless of if you are 95yrs old , 2 months olds, cripled like Stephen Hawking, etc.
No one NEEDS to fly (unless they were just shot and are getting medically evacuated or something extreme like that)
If you fly, you follow the rules, period. If you start making exceptions, the terrorists will levergae that eventually
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 5, 2011 9:47:25 GMT -5
get real people. It is a NEW world. If you WANT to fly, you have to go by the new rules, regardless of if you are 95yrs old , 2 months olds, cripled like Stephen Hawking, etc.
No one NEEDS to fly (unless they were just shot and are getting medically evacuated or something extreme like that)
If you fly, you follow the rules, period. If you start making exceptions, the terrorists will levergae that eventually If you <insert anything here>, you follow the rules, period. IMHO, since this could essentially be extended to many facets of every day life, it's a pretty poor reason for pissing on our 4th amendment rights. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety ~ Benjamin Franklin
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Post by robbase on Jul 5, 2011 10:07:58 GMT -5
you do realize the main reason is safety from terror activities? And old peeps, young peeps, and even Stephen Hawking type peeps can be used for terror.
Everyone is all for "equality", and ending things like age discrimination, discrimination against the disabled, etc. but not in cases like this....
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Post by robbase on Jul 5, 2011 10:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 5, 2011 10:15:48 GMT -5
"Don't get me wrong phenoix, I'm not agreeing with strip searching grannies and kids. I am able to see their reasoning behind it though."
That's my point as well. What bothers me is the logic that some people shouldn't be searched and aren't a danger while others should be searched and are a danger because they look different or are of a different age or gender or ethnicity. People seem to think they can easily spot a terrorist like all terrorists are of middle eastern descent, wear a turbin and have facial hair and wear traditional middle eastern garb. It's the idea that we only need to apply to the law to certain people that I find wrong but scary. The law should be applied equally to everyone, women, kids, elderly, ect.
Why am I more of a danger to that airplaine than that 90 year old woman? Why is it more okay to strip search me than it is her, or some kid? My point is the law, whatever it is, needs to be applied to everyone, not just those who look like terrorists, because we can't just look at someone and know they're a terrorist, and because it's unethical to treat people differently based on how they look.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 5, 2011 10:25:09 GMT -5
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 5, 2011 10:25:08 GMT -5
So are you all proposing we develop a different standard operating proceedure for how kids, the elderly, and whatever else sub group should go through security?
I'm saying the rules need to be applied to everyone the same, but the rules currently in place don't make sense.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jul 5, 2011 10:31:30 GMT -5
"Was anyone fired after 9/11? Was anyone held accountable?"
Paul, while I agree with you on many things, this notion is foolish. Why should good people have their careers ruined because of the actions of criminals. Why blame law enforcement for the acts of the terrorists? 9/11 was the fault of those who did the deed, period end of story.
Should we start firing police officers for not stopping crime in their district? The job of law enforcement isn't to stop crime before it happens, but to solve the crime and catch the criminals after it's happened. If we started firing police officers who didn't stop crime we'd have no police pretty soon, it's simply impossible.
Should we start firing doctors of people who get sick, or fire fireman when there's a fire? After all if they were doing their job people wouldn't get sick or die and there would be no fires.
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Post by Driftr on Jul 5, 2011 11:08:04 GMT -5
"Was anyone fired after 9/11? Was anyone held accountable?" Paul, while I agree with you on many things, this notion is foolish. Why should good people have their careers ruined because of the actions of criminals. Why blame law enforcement for the acts of the terrorists? 9/11 was the fault of those who did the deed, period end of story. So you consider the NSA and CIA to be law enforcement? You don't believe that their jobs are focused on prevention? Interesting.
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Post by maui1 on Jul 5, 2011 12:26:26 GMT -5
we never hold gov't accountalbe for anything.........want to know why?
gov'ts answer to anything they do wrong, is..... that they need more people and or more money to FIX it,...........and we know, that not holding them accountalbe will be cheaper and less painful for us all, in the long run.
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 5, 2011 12:58:23 GMT -5
you do realize the main reason is safety from terror activities? And old peeps, young peeps, and even Stephen Hawking type peeps can be used for terror. Of course I understand the reasoning...but I don't have to agree with it. The conundrum here is achieving secure air travel without violating individual rights.
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