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Post by lakhota on Jun 21, 2011 19:16:35 GMT -5
Wisconsin is now undergoing a novel summer election season for the state legislature, with six Republican and three Democratic state senators facing recall elections as a result of the political battle over Republican Gov. Scott Walker's anti-public employee union legislation. Indeed, the Republican-controlled state Senate could potentially see a Democratic takeover, depending on how the elections turn out -- and after that, the Dems have vowed to wage a recall drive against Walker himself next year. So in response, Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R) says he would like to introduce legislation later this year, making it harder to recall state officials. More: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/wis-gop-leader-change-the-recall-law.php?ref=fpb
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Post by lakhota on Jun 21, 2011 19:17:50 GMT -5
This is typical Republican behavior: Either ignore laws they don't like or change them to match their agenda.
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 21, 2011 19:20:56 GMT -5
If the recall laws are made harder, the 2012 elections would be a landslide for Democrats in WI. That anti-union law was radioactive. I was quite surprised that Walker had the balls to follow through on it. I thought that he was just posturing.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 21, 2011 19:22:44 GMT -5
This is typical Republican behavior: Either ignore laws they don't like or change them to match their agenda. Kinda like Ted Kennedy trying to change the Mass. senatorial secession law from a vote to governor appointment. What it is Lahkota is simply politics, you like the law when it works for you, you dis like the law when it works against you. Your partisanship is showing. ETA: state law
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 19:24:34 GMT -5
I'm assuming you're a regular who just logged another name, which is frowned upon and should not be encouraged... but i'm giving you a Karma anyway flood... just for the moniker...
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 21, 2011 19:24:40 GMT -5
I think Democrats have done similar things as well. This is not a partisanship issue. It is not even an issue of whether the law was good or bad. The point is that it was a radioactive law.
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Post by handyman2 on Jun 21, 2011 20:24:56 GMT -5
Seems like this is no different than both parties gerrymandering voting districts to favor one party over another. Politics as usual.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 20:27:39 GMT -5
If the recall laws are made harder, the 2012 elections would be a landslide for Democrats in WI. That anti-union law was radioactive. I was quite surprised that Walker had the balls to follow through on it. I thought that he was just posturing. quite possibly making it impossible for the GOP to regain a majority. stuck on stupid.
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 21, 2011 20:48:45 GMT -5
Will the congressional Republicans and the Presidential candidates be similarly stupid in 2012? Wait and see ...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 21:48:21 GMT -5
Will the congressional Republicans and the Presidential candidates be similarly stupid in 2012? Wait and see ... probably. they are right now busy sewing the seeds of their destruction by insisting that they follow lock step with Ryan into the abyss.
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 21, 2011 21:49:55 GMT -5
May they keep doing that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 21:55:10 GMT -5
JoeB thinks they will break ranks. he is usually wrong.
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 21, 2011 21:58:58 GMT -5
JoeB thinks they will break ranks. he is usually wrong. I hope he is. I am sending donations to the Tea Party to keep the Republicans in line.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 22:11:21 GMT -5
JoeB thinks they will break ranks. he is usually wrong. I hope he is. I am sending donations to the Tea Party to keep the Republicans in line. i think that would be a smart move for everyone other than moderate Republicans like me. i will be voting for Ron Paul, instead. just like last time.
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 21, 2011 22:22:47 GMT -5
No such thing as half-pregnant, or moderate Republican.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 22:28:35 GMT -5
No such thing as half-pregnant, or moderate Republican. a dying breed, i will admit. black swan.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 21, 2011 22:34:50 GMT -5
I'm going to have to say this is repugnant. Republicans are in the unfortunate position of having to tell voters the truth about the entitlement and pension fraud committed by government officials in both parties, but in particular in debt-ridden, failed 'blue' states over the last several decades. Unfortunately, that means they're vulnerable to "shoot the messenger" responses by voters. Sorry, but it's just part of the deal. I trust the people, however. In the end, I think if they stand up and do the right thing- as it is perfectly clear WI Republicans did- the people will be with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 22:37:41 GMT -5
lol... red states have been sucking off blue ones for decades... And the message might sound more sincere if it was coupled with, oh, things like cuts to the military and rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the upper brackets...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 22:43:06 GMT -5
I'm going to have to say this is repugnant. Republicans are in the unfortunate position of having to tell voters the truth about the entitlement and pension fraud committed by government officials in both parties, but in particular in debt-ridden, failed 'blue' states over the last several decades. horsefeathers. they are under no such obligation whatsoever. nor are they under any obligation to stop lying about the revenue generating effects of tax cuts, obviously. they are taking a big risk doing it, and they are going to pay for it, imo.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 22:44:50 GMT -5
I trust the people, however. yet again another indication of an Obama fan. are you a Democrat, Paul?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 21, 2011 22:45:52 GMT -5
In the end, I think if they stand up and do the right thing- as it is perfectly clear WI Republicans did- the people will be with them. in six weeks, we get to see how well that works out for them. my prediction: not too well.
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 22, 2011 0:33:15 GMT -5
The only issue I take with this recall is that it may scare many Republicans who will then take their collective tail between their legs, start to lie about compassionate conservatism, deceive the American public as always, get elected, and then screw the pooch. I much prefer emboldened Republicans proudly displaying their anti-poor and anti-middle class ideologies.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 22, 2011 0:45:12 GMT -5
Amen! I love them proud and stupid.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 22, 2011 6:57:28 GMT -5
This is typical Republican behavior: Either ignore laws they don't like or change them to match their agenda. So only republicans do this? It's not like Massachusetts legislators would remove the Governor's authority to appoint a replacement for John Kerry when there was a republican governor and then want to change it back when the democratic governor faced a vacancy when ole Teddy died or something. Take off your party loyal propaganda blinders lac. Your idiots are no better than their idiots.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jun 22, 2011 7:55:46 GMT -5
This is typical Republican behavior: Either ignore laws they don't like or change them to match their agenda. Maybe there should be a law that representatives can't flee the state or just not show up because the vote wouldn't go the way they want it too.
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Post by handyman2 on Jun 22, 2011 8:07:39 GMT -5
People just might be surprised. If voters see that there will not be any major tax increases due to the legislators actions the recall may backfire. One thing people hate more than run and hide politicians is TAXES. In todays world public unions are not held in high regard by a lot of voters. Some like the commy huggers SEIU especially. They are very visable and give unions a bad image.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jun 22, 2011 8:23:57 GMT -5
People just might be surprised. If voters see that there will not be any major tax increases due to the legislators actions the recall may backfire. One thing people hate more than run and hide politicians is TAXES. In todays world public unions are not held in high regard by a lot of voters. Some like the commy huggers SEIU especially. They are very visable and give unions a bad image. The problem may be that voters don't always see the big picture and give an emotional vote at the time...
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 22, 2011 8:52:15 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how these recalls turn out. I work for a non-union fortune 500 company here in Wisconsin and i will say that people were very highly pissed at the run-aways. It will probably come down to how many ringers the union is able to bus in. But don't forget the supreme court justice election. The union people had that one in the bag until 7800 votes that were held back turned up. We are getting wise to union tricks!
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