jkapp
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Post by jkapp on Jun 21, 2011 9:50:13 GMT -5
"So, then, the left really DOES want "free healthcare" huh?" Not free but, certainly not private. Private = more expensive without better service. Yes, let's go for public...even more expensive with even worse service, and TONS of waste and fraud. Good call!
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 21, 2011 9:56:17 GMT -5
Jkapp - explain how the public option would be more expensive, given that the private interest in shareholder value and making a profit adds to the base cost.
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Post by swamp on Jun 21, 2011 9:58:09 GMT -5
Jkapp - explain how the public option would be more expensive, given that the private interest in shareholder value and making a profit adds to the base cost. Have you ever seen the government run something efficiently and cheaply?
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 21, 2011 10:12:21 GMT -5
No, only your imaginary liberals want free health care- the sensible people want a single payer plan or similar UHC, that most likely this guy would have paid into during his life and even if not, would as a citizen be covered for care like he would be in any country with a modern health care system except ours. Soooo...free. (For him, at least...I know, even though many liberals don't seem to, that nothing is ever free. But someone getting something for nothing on their part is free to them.) So? There will always be free riders-we have them now using the ER and 911 at will. Conservatives are so hung up on the idea of someone getting something off of their dollar that they are blinded to solid solutions, and to the fact that it is actually worse for them now than under a single payer setup. So go stick your head back in the sand and repeat- our health care system is fine, our health care system is fine...........
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 10:12:53 GMT -5
Jkapp - explain how the public option would be more expensive, given that the private interest in shareholder value and making a profit adds to the base cost. Have you ever seen the government run something efficiently and cheaply? Let's re-clarify this statement to: "Have you seen the government run something 'large' efficiently and cheaply?" I'm sure there's some obscure tiny item that has actually been run decently that someone can pull out of the cellar...not that I can think of any.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 21, 2011 10:17:22 GMT -5
Federal infrustructure, dams, medicaid, social security, national security, your sewer system if it ain't privatized - the list goes on. Show me a private company that has aquired public assets and run them ''large' efficiently and cheaply?"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 10:24:42 GMT -5
Federal infrustructure, dams, medicaid, social security, national security, your sewer system if it ain't privatized - the list goes on. Show me a private company that has aquired public assets and run them ''large' efficiently and cheaply?" So you think these items are run efficiently and cheaply? Are you serious??
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Post by Bluerobin on Jun 21, 2011 10:42:41 GMT -5
When the pubs totally gut SS and Medicaid, I will commit some spetacular crime to get my free senior living and health care. One way or another, I deserve to be kept in the lap of luxury, by our government.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 21, 2011 10:45:20 GMT -5
I am serious. Now name something the private sector has aquired from the public sector and have done it efficiently and cheaply. PLease.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 11:03:35 GMT -5
I am serious. Now name something the private sector has aquired from the public sector and have done it efficiently and cheaply. PLease. Can't think of any. Generally, a FOR-PROFIT business doesn't acquire things that will generally lose them money. If you know of any, I'll be happy to look them up. I do like that you provided no basis or facts...or hell...opinions as to why you think those gov't programs are efficiently and cost-effectively run. Were you aware there are billions of dollars in Medicare fraud EVERY YEAR? How about that our 'national security' budget is close to twice what the next highest country pays for defense? SS is basically one huge IOU.
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Bluerobin
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Post by Bluerobin on Jun 21, 2011 11:57:45 GMT -5
A simple way to eliminate fraud with Medicare, would be to have it independently audited on a finder's fee basis. Yes, then the fradulent claims would have to be prosecuted. If I am working on commission, I am going to look harder and question more.
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Post by illegalimmigrant on Jun 21, 2011 12:15:51 GMT -5
Jkapp - explain how the public option would be more expensive, given that the private interest in shareholder value and making a profit adds to the base cost. Have you ever seen the government run something efficiently and cheaply? More government entities are run relatively efficiently. I stress the word relatively. If a private entity were to take the govt entity over, there would be no way the private entity could be cheap AND profitable. Govt services are cheap BECAUSE they are not profitable. As for efficiency, there has been several studies that pound for pound Medicare is more efficient than private insurance. This doesn't mean that Medicare cannot become even more efficient. It does mean however that a private insurance company hasn't figured out a way to get to that efficiency.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 21, 2011 12:15:59 GMT -5
Find out where the fraud origionates first - I suspect that your suspects will not be those seeking service. As for government services taken over by private companies - look at what may happen in greece and what is happening in the USA with toll roads, parking meters, sewer systems - then tell me which is cheaper (dollar wise)
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jkapp
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Post by jkapp on Jun 21, 2011 12:27:13 GMT -5
Soooo...free. (For him, at least...I know, even though many liberals don't seem to, that nothing is ever free. But someone getting something for nothing on their part is free to them.) So? There will always be free riders-we have them now using the ER and 911 at will. Conservatives are so hung up on the idea of someone getting something off of their dollar that they are blinded to solid solutions, and to the fact that it is actually worse for them now than under a single payer setup. So go stick your head back in the sand and repeat- our health care system is fine, our health care system is fine........... I never said our current system is fine...just that a single payer would be worse. I know how the left loves to have everything handed to them at the cost of someone else, but that doesn't equate to a "better" system.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 21, 2011 12:37:22 GMT -5
How do you come up with these unsupported claims - totally unsuported and divisive - "I know how the left loves to have everything handed to them at the cost of someone else" It's just bunk squared.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 21, 2011 12:38:56 GMT -5
How was he supposed to get room and board from Medicaid? I hear ya Lak. Heaven forbid if he has to spend some of that money he's got saved up for a condo in Myrtle Beach.
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