Affirmative Action. Can we stand the results?

[henryclay]

On the Gay picture thread I saw a poll that made a point with me. It asked the question: "Do we need Affirmative Action programs and a Black History month? It was just a poll.

I made a post on that thread about it, but another poster seemed to think something was wrong with that so I'm making a new thread out of it.

This is some of what it stirred in my memory bank:

In 1972 an applicant named Bakke was twice denied admission to UC Davis Medical School so that the new Affirmative Action program could be implemented and lesser qualified - - - minority - - - applicants could attend. Bakke sued. Bakke lost. A lesser qualified black medical school applicant named Chavis got one of the seats that Bakke was denied. Chavis also used Affirmative Action after graduation to get an appointment to a hospital.

Fast forward to 2002 when Chavis was removed for stashing two patients in his home and thereby denying them needed care that he could not provide, plus mistreatment of a third patient who died. It is not public knowledge as to what other standards of medical practice Chavis violated. These were sufficient to have his medical license revoked.

His story ended in more tragedy when he was shot and killed in February 2009 as he was entering his car after making a purchase at an ice cream shop.

And do we really need a Black History month? Why don't we be true to the facts and just teach history as it has unfolded?

[cereb]

"I made a post on that thread about it, but another poster seemed to think something was wrong with that so I'm making a new thread out of it."


Lets not go makin' stuff up now K?

[cereb]

BTW, got anything newer than 1972? I mean since we are applying the whole ordeal to today's standards it might bolster your case.

[cereb]

Oh and, just an FYI, had you taken my advice and visited that "gift shop" you would have realized just where they were going with this little opinion poll on affirmative action.


You've been had.

[henryclay]

Thanks for your well meant advice, but I'll take the poll as a stand alone item if you will permit it, Okay?

>>>got anything newer than 1972?<<<

Not really cereb,but seeing what this one beneficiary of the 1972 Affirmative Action program was doing to patients thirty years later in 2002 makes my skin crawl just thinking that he may have been the reason for my own mother's condition. She died in 1984. Not to mention the obvious "God only knows how many others" he mistreated during those same 30 years.

I have no idea who killed him, but I do know I sleep better with him dead.

[cereb]

"Thanks for your well meant advice, but I'll take the poll as a stand alone item if you will permit it, Okay?"

No problem!





"Not really cereb,but seeing what this one beneficiary of the 1972 Affirmative Action program was doing to patients thirty years later in 2002 makes my skin crawl just thinking that he may have been the reason for my own mother's condition. She died in 1984. Not to mention the obvious "God only knows how many others" he mistreated during those same 30 years."


Ugh. So sorry about your mother. That's horrible. This guy was responsible for her care?




This is the thing. There have been nurses who have been prosecuted for Munchhausen's by proxy. Should we stop training nurses?

While I am deeply saddened at the distress this individual has caused you and countless others, I'll play devil's advocate for a moment and say isn't it akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater so to speak? There are many physicians who never should have entered let alone graduated from med school, black and white.

[cereb]

"In 1972 an applicant named Bakke was twice denied admission to UC Davis Medical School so that the new Affirmative Action program could be implemented and lesser qualified - - - minority - - - applicants could attend."




Uh Henry...this isn't exactly true. After some cursory research, the guy was denied twice because of his age. He was 33.

[cereb]

Bakke first applied to University of Southern California and Northwestern in 1972 and both rejected him, making a point of his age. Northwestern wrote "his age was above their stated limit."[2] His 1973 application to Davis reflects his anxiety about his age, referring to his four years of sacrifice for his country as a setback and cause of his late interest in medicine.[3] His quantitative criterion for acceptance was considered excellent. He took the Medical College Admissions Test, scoring in the top three percent. He also maintained a science GPA of 3.44 and an overall GPA of 3.46 after taking science courses at night to qualify for medical school. He should have been concerned about his age, for he was rejected despite the fact that his scores were well above the scores of an average admittee at University of California Davis medical school. A Davis Faculty member from Bakke’s 1973 interview believed that he was a “well-qualified candidate for admission whose main handicap is the unavoidable fact that he is now 33 years of age.”[

[cereb]

Ok, so I get that Chavis was admitted to school and Bakke was denied a seat. I also see where both sides have used this as a political football for affirmative action. I think it's a bad example, but that's just me.

I couldn't help but also notice that Michelle Malikin's name is all over the place having written several articles on the subject. She appears to be ever so sensitive to the victims of Chavis, but wastes no opportunity to slam "the left" over the whole affair.


Hmmm. Interesting.

[txbo]

AA was needed for a time; remember we still had white only laundries, bathrooms, drinking fountains, restaurants and hotels in the mid-sixties. The notion that a black person had an equal opportunity for advancement during that time and for a long time after is absurd. AA has run its course and should no longer be a requirement.
Using one case of medical malpractice because the individual used AA is also absurd. My neighbor moved out of state because he lost his license in Texas and he was white.