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Post by philly1 on Jun 17, 2011 14:21:14 GMT -5
Most of the teachers I know, including the ex got paid 12 months out of the the year. They had the option to either take more pay for 9 months or stretch the salary out over 12 months. I would much rather get paid all 12 months and take the Summer off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 14:24:04 GMT -5
You get paid the same annual/contract amount... either way... Towards the end, we had no choice... you had to take 12 months... and i never had a job you could get more during the year... although for a few years you could take 'lump sum' at the end of the school year... but they like making interest on the money they hold...
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 17, 2011 14:24:29 GMT -5
Not all school districts offer the year round pay. Mine only did about 5 years before I retired. I had 2 choices after the divorce. Move somewhere where my salary would be higher in order to teach and have a legal fight on my hands as well as disrupt my kids and my life further or continue to work in a low paying school system where I already had a lot of years in. ALL schools in the south are low paying schools because of no unions and no strike laws.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 17:42:34 GMT -5
I haven't taught in ... 7-8 years... at that point i was making 36-38K with 8 years experience and a master's degree...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 17:46:07 GMT -5
Teacher pay is very dependent on geographical location, experience, education, and the affluence of the particular school district.
I live in Alabama and just researched the minimum salary matrix. This is what the state provides, and it is usually what is paid by the less affluent districts. For the first three years, a teacher is paid about $36,000 with a bachelor's degree. After 27 years in the classroom, he/she is paid $45, 997.
I have two master's (you only get paid for one) and the maximum experience. I work for an affluent school system. I make somewhat over $59,000 (maximum). It gets to $60,000 by working Saturday School and stuff like giving the grad exam a couple of times this summer.
It is a decently paying job, but a pay decrease hurts . . . particularly if you are a young teacher with student loans, etc.
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Post by april47 on Jun 17, 2011 17:48:10 GMT -5
My daughter makes officially about $46,000 after 5 years. They really take a lot out for teachers retirement and insurance. They also have to pay for their own books and supplies and decorations for the kids rooms. She takes about $2200 a mmonth home. She is a single mom with a sick kid and its tough.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jun 17, 2011 18:16:53 GMT -5
I quite enjoy articles like the above. Our daughter's last, and I do mean LAST, teaching job was in an inner city charter school. She was making $35k annualized, but she was only there for a month. She was the EIGHTH teacher in the 6th-grade class this year, and believe me, the monkeys were running the zoo. She resigned after she realized that the administration whores were raising the kids' grades under her password after locking her out for a couple of days right before report cards went out, and she got called into the principal's office for teaching them how to conjugate verbs and do multiplication, because they didn't know how to do those two things, as well as a host of others. She was condemned for " not raising their test scores " ( in three weeks of class time - yeah right ), and for "deviating from the curriculum." Okay then. She's gone gone gone. She's now doing personal care part-time for an elderly lady, substituting, and is in school doing the 8 pre-req bachelor's level classes for a masters in speech pathology. We're behind her all the way. She said she' rather "wipe old ladies' butts than go into a classroom like that again." So, cutting teachers' pay in Texas seems like a smart move to me. Make more college freshman interested in the profession, it will.
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Post by gooddecisions on Jun 17, 2011 18:19:29 GMT -5
I was only making $40K 5 years into my career as well. Fact of the matter is, the teachers with less than 10 years don't make as much, and that's pretty similiar to the private sector.
"I live in Alabama and just researched the minimum salary matrix. This is what the state provides, and it is usually what is paid by the less affluent districts. For the first three years, a teacher is paid about $36,000 with a bachelor's degree. After 27 years in the classroom, he/she is paid $45, 997."
This is why people think teachers don't get paid much. Very few are in the minimum range and are actually more like southernsusana, who's making $60k+/year in the very same state where that minimum range is posted. It's really nothing to complain about. Few teachers want to admit they make good money and all we hear is the constant whining.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 18:33:21 GMT -5
Yes, but I have several things going for me that other teachers in the area don't. First, I work for an affluent school system that pays about $6000 more than I could earn anywhere else. Second, I have an advanced degree that I paid for myself. In Alabama, school systems don't pay for these. Third, I work as many overtime opportunities as I can. I don't work the gate at sporting events because I don't like football, but I do Saturday School, testing, test prep, and anything else after school that is available.
All in all, the extra is about $1000 a year . . . nothing to get excited about, but I do like to save.
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Post by dragonfly7 on Jun 17, 2011 19:07:24 GMT -5
My DH is a new Texas teacher and is midway through completing his probationary year through an alternative certification program. It took seven months for him to find a teaching position. His degree is in Environmental Science, and he passed the three certification exams to teach science to grades 4-12.
DH would be much more concerned about losing instructional days than pay. We missed 5 days this spring because of ice and other weather problems, and the two legislatively required make-up days weren't scheduled until after the TAKS tests. *Shameless brag* His students still had the best science scores in the building, but even he didn't manage to cover everything as well as he would have liked.
Summers: DH has three weeks of required training this summer, but that is because he is being moved into a special position. I think teachers here are required to do 30 hours of professional development a year. There are a couple of days built into the school year, at 6 hours a day, but I assume they're normally required to find the rest on their own.
If he didn't have so much training, DH would be teaching at a summer program and then spend a month as a counselor at church camp.
Pay DH doesn't have a choice on pay periods. It's the number of contract days divided by the number of pay periods left before the next school year starts. Normally that would be a full contract divided by 12 months.
As for starting pay, the Texas minimum for the 2010-2011 school year was $27,320, but as southernsusana said, "Teacher pay is very dependent on geographical location, experience, education, and the affluence of the particular school district." In our geographic area, the average starting pay for the 2009-2010 school year was $45,000, but the COL, or at least the housing part, is likely higher than a rural school district that is struggling to pay the minimum.
I think one of DH's biggest complaints and concerns is the number of teachers who aren't great or aren't in the right subject areas, especially in science, who automatically have more job security. His district modified the middle and high school schedules to reduce the number of teachers. Because he is new, this meant his position was eliminated. The administration tried to move these extra teachers internally, but again because he is new, the surplus English or Social Studies teachers with Generalist certifications automatically had higher priority for being placed in open middle school science positions. He lucked out and was moved into an excellent high school in the same district, but given the number of districts who automatically disqualify anyone in an alternative certification program, we could have been looking at another very long job search.
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 17, 2011 21:17:19 GMT -5
Summers are filled with pre-registration, registration, required touchy-feely dealing with emotions training, sensitivity training I guess all of those classes are being held up in the mountain cabin communities about 200 miles north of Phoenix? But I truly wish that we could pay teachers about $80,000 and allow them to perform and earn the $80,000. Our local Paper rails about how we need to spend more to educate our children, yet more money encourages progressives to take education in the wrong direction ever faster. And the good teachers leave the field ever earlier leaving us with low performers. Speaking of touchy-feely, just last week our schools announced that they are pulling time from 'real' classes to start a new 33-minute get-in-touch-with-yourselves period to help kids prepare for the next day. So the hours of classroom study grow ever shorter.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jun 17, 2011 21:44:03 GMT -5
Not all school districts offer the year round pay. Mine only did about 5 years before I retired. I had 2 choices after the divorce. Move somewhere where my salary would be higher in order to teach and have a legal fight on my hands as well as disrupt my kids and my life further or continue to work in a low paying school system where I already had a lot of years in. ALL schools in the south are low paying schools because of no unions and no strike laws. Does it really matter if the district pays them in 9 months or 12? If you are salaried and are getting the same salary with both pay ways, it shouldn't be that hard to budget for those missing months if you only have the 9 month option. I think I would be pretty concerned with who's teaching my kids if they can't even figure out how to budget over 12 months when paid for 9 months.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 18, 2011 10:28:34 GMT -5
When you've taught for several years and are in the mid 30's with 2 kids, you can then tell me how to budget my money. Working a summer job provided some things like music camp for DD which her friends were in. The only teachers I know that remotely made what SS makes were almost to retirement and then they will never get raises again. That's the mid-50's range with a masters. Sorry if you feel I should live in a 2 bedroom apt in the ghetto so I fit your idea of how a teacher should live on her salary.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 18, 2011 10:29:45 GMT -5
What few summer school jobs were only for special ed students and teachers. Those with seniority got those.
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 18, 2011 12:42:51 GMT -5
What few summer school jobs were only for special ed students and teachers. There are other summer jobs, my cousin drove a Ready-Mix truck in the summer, got plenty of 1.5 OT, 60 hour weeks if he wanted.
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Mardi Gras Audrey
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jun 18, 2011 16:33:43 GMT -5
When you've taught for several years and are in the mid 30's with 2 kids, you can then tell me how to budget my money. Working a summer job provided some things like music camp for DD which her friends were in. The only teachers I know that remotely made what SS makes were almost to retirement and then they will never get raises again. That's the mid-50's range with a masters. Sorry if you feel I should live in a 2 bedroom apt in the ghetto so I fit your idea of how a teacher should live on her salary. Are you kidding? Salaries for teachers are well known. You can google the pay scales. If someone chooses to go into that profession, they know far well what their annual pay will be, what the pay scale is, etc. If they don't like that salary, don't get into teaching. They certainly have no right to complain that they have no money in the summers because their school district doesn't offer the 12 month pay option. It really doesn't matter if the district offers a 12 month option or a 9 month option. Either way, it's the SAME SALARY. Therefore, you know if your check looks a little heavy during the year because you are on a 9 month pay schedule and your check is not your annual salary/12 months per year, you might want to put some away for the summer time. If the salary doesn't offer the lifestyle you desire, DON'T go into teaching. I don't care if a teacher (or anyone else) wants to live in a 2 bedroom apartment or a 60000 sq foot mansion, if you can't pay for it on the salary for the profession you choose, get another profession. We wouldn't support a raise in the wage of a 7-11 cashier because they want to live in a 5000 square foot mansion, why should teachers be any different? I understand that we need teachers but if enough decide that they don't like the salary and leave, supply and demand will up their salaries. The point of my original post was not that teachers make too much or too little, it was simply that if they can't handle the math of budgeting over a 12 month time frame for 9 months of income, they really shouldn't be teaching children (That is really basic math). This goes for anyone who gets paid in a lump sum, monthly, bi monthly, etc. Do the math and match your expenses with your imcome.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jun 18, 2011 17:59:58 GMT -5
Any more Audrey ? Gosh. Those rotten teachers.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 18, 2011 21:57:22 GMT -5
No kidding. I am sorely tempted to use my first ignore but just figured she was ignorant and we are all guilty of that at times. I worked a summer job btw at an auto dealership. Low salary divided by 12 is still low salary, and, yes, I could have uprooted my kids and moved north to where there are unions which is where teachers get those HIGH salaries you are talking about but that had its own issues. I probably taught your kind of kids which is why I am so glad not to be teaching anymore. Parents that rude and ignorant tend to spew out the same kind of persons.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Jun 19, 2011 0:05:12 GMT -5
No kidding. I am sorely tempted to use my first ignore but just figured she was ignorant and we are all guilty of that at times. I worked a summer job btw at an auto dealership. Low salary divided by 12 is still low salary, and, yes, I could have uprooted my kids and moved north to where there are unions which is where teachers get those HIGH salaries you are talking about but that had its own issues. I probably taught your kind of kids which is why I am so glad not to be teaching anymore. Parents that rude and ignorant tend to spew out the same kind of persons. Zib, you don't know anything about me...FWIW, my BFF and my BIL are teachers (BFF-elem ed and BIL-secondary ed) and we regularly discuss the state of the educational system as well as what they are paid. I am friends with teachers in many different states, including Texas, so I have heard all of their perspectives. None of them have complained about their salary (These are all young teachers, with anywhere from 1 to 9 years of experience). I have heard 1 teacher from MT talk about the low pay but she figured out a way to make it with a summer job that she loved (That's where I met her..at her summer job). Many have complained about the parents and the kids but the lack of money in the summer? No, they understand how to budget. Some of them have districts that will do the 12 month thing but others don't. They all say that they knew how much they would make going in and like children so they chose the profession. They are fabulous people and are very intelligent so I know that they would have been successful in any field that they chose. I think teachers are great and are very needed, I just don't think that it is that hard to budget over a twelve month period when you are paid for 9. It is very simple math. Do I think the ed system is majorly messed up? Yes, I do. But I don't think that the budgeting for 12 months vs 9 is the biggest issue. All of the teachers I know are problem solvers and can handle that. The furloughs suck, though, and they would like that stopped.
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Post by gooddecisions on Jun 19, 2011 10:11:14 GMT -5
Audrey, I'm not sure why other posters are being so sensitive about your post. There is nothing overall rude about it, it's just basic math and budgeting- makes perfect sense to me anyway.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 19, 2011 14:58:32 GMT -5
Really? Re-read that post. I never said I didn't budget 12 months of living into 9 months, it was implied that I, and other morons like me, were so stupid that we weren't AWARE that we got all our pay in 9 months instead of 12. Something I never said or implied. That if we were THAT stupid, we had no business teaching. Funny after insulting people, they always have friends and relatives that teach so they know everything there is to know about it.
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Post by Elderkind on Jun 20, 2011 7:30:59 GMT -5
PatStab: You are right on the money! I work in a Texas University and we are currently having to send Gov "Good Hair" Perry a good portion of our tuition so he can cover his assets, so to speak...
This hurts the very students & parents that are paying for what they think is a good education. Now, because of our "tithing", the University administration is raising tuition, forcing early retirements, packing 75 students in a 50 seat class and the profs are told to pass the students regardless of their grade so that we can fill the seat... That makes the degrees worthless.
I truly hope that if Perry runs in the next presidential election all of his budget mismanagement in Texas comes out... He's also a perverted little ass... I worked next to the Texas Capital in a government position years ago when he first took office as Governor and his "other" activities were common knowledge.
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Post by Elderkind on Jun 20, 2011 13:15:33 GMT -5
Just an additional note (this may have already been talked about) that many teachers in the Texas independent school districts (dependent on the district) no longer have SS withdrawn which can get a little rough if they are making a lower end salary and need every dime to live on...
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