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Post by ed1066 on May 31, 2011 20:50:12 GMT -5
The Russians are working with the Iranians and say they're not working on weapons. And you believe them of course... Anything to get rid of those Jews, right?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 21:38:58 GMT -5
Israel set to bomb Iran!
I'm pretty sure that Israel has been set to bomb Iran the whole time they have been a country. Israel doesn't get along with it's neighbors (for obvious reasons) & they are pretty aggressive. Not a country that I would want to go to war with without a fall out shelter. Also it would be stupid to screw with them if most of your population was in 2 to 4 large cities.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 31, 2011 21:46:03 GMT -5
Ed this is a report I just got but will put here, from Debka...and it is their ideas of what is happening and it is not good..
I admit it, it might explain Natanjahu speech and stand. It indicates their , debka's feeling that in the elections in Egypt, the Brotherhood will do well in the legislature...the one mentioned as favored for President , while not a member of the Brother hood, who knows how tainted he is or under how much influence and we don't know how the other parties will do.
They , debka , believe Hamas will do very well in the Palastinian elections, which will be a problem unless they change their charter, and with that many rockets in Gaza, a real problem
I don't beleive Egypt wants a war with Israel, and if Israel did decide to go into gaza to go after those missles, even though Egypt is putting Gaza under their protection, I wonder if they would go to war to protect Hamas against the Israeli's.
I expect cool relations with Egypt toward Israel but they have to be careful the US doesn't cut off aid and military cooperation to them, and if Hamas does take over the West Bank as the party in chage how do you negotiate withj them. --------------------------------------------------------------
Hamas-Gaza's missile stock passes 10,000 - and going up
DEBKAfile Special Report May 31, 2011, 9:54 AM (GMT+02:00)
" updates reaching debkafile's military sources, the number of missiles Hamas has managed to stockpile in Gaza passed the 10,000 mark in early May – despite Israel's partial blockade of the Gaza Strip. It is growing at the rate of some 30 new projectiles of many types smuggled in every two weeks. On April 9, the Palestinian fundamentalists shot 133 rockets at seven Israeli cities before Israel granted a ceasefire in lieu of an operation for smashing this arsenal. Firing at the rate of 150 missiles a day, Hamas is currently capable of keeping southern Israel under constant attack for 66 days running. When Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Security Committee May 30 about the Palestinian Hamas's expanding control of Egyptian Sinai, he omitted to mention the arms smuggling tunnels which openly flout Israel's blockade. The interaction between the Gaza Strip and Sinai and the effect it has of undermining Egypt's sovereign control of the strategic peninsula, which he also mentioned, is an old story going back years.
What has changed since Hosni Mubarak's ouster in February is that the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoot Hamas have both gained traction in Egypt proper.
But Israel and its military continue to hold back from stemming the arms flow, now including anti-tank and anti-air missiles, into the Gaza Strip, just as they never interfered with Hizballah's acquisition of thousands of advanced rockets from Iran and Syria. Before the current ceasefire, Hamas demonstrated in a single day, Saturday, April 9, that its improved missiles could hit the fringes of Kiryat Gat 21 kilometers from Gaza and Rishon Lezion, double that distance. The country, all parts of which are covered by the two Hamas-Hizballah missile arsenals, was not informed by the prime minister, Defense Minister Ehud Barak or Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz about the deal which induced Hamas to hold its fire for now.
While Hamas was presented simply as scared off by the threat of a major IDF operation, debkafile's intelligence sources disclose that it was the consequence of a quiet deal offered Jerusalem by Egypt's military rulers at a time that scores of rockets were raining down. Those rulers asked the Netanyahu government if they could assure Hamas there would be no big Israeli operation as a means of persuading them to accept a ceasefire: A four-point plan for the Gaza Strip's immediate future was attached to the Egyptian proposition:
1. Egypt would broker a reconciliation pact between the warring Palestinian factions, Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah and the extremist Hamas. And indeed this pact was signed a month later on May 4;
2. Egypt would gradually relieve Israel of responsibility for keeping the enclave supplied with fuel, foodstuffs, medicines and other essentials. This contradicts the official claim that the opening of the Rafah crossing from Gaza to Sinai Saturday, May 28, is to be restricted to persons not goods.
3. Egypt will maintain a large intelligence center inside the Strip. This means Cairo is going back to controlling security in and for the Gaza Strip, a function which lapsed under Hosni Mubarak. Hamas will therefore profit twice: once from an Egyptian-guaranteed Israeli pledge to refrain from attacking the Gaza Strip plus an Egyptian military shield for the territory. 4. Cairo will tell Hamas that its handling of intra-Palestinian affairs is contingent on two Hamas commitments: a total stoppage of missile fire on Israel and the restart of negotiations for the release of Gilead Shalit, the Israeli soldier it has held captive for five years. The Netanyahu government was assured that the ceasefire would go into effect the instant this deal was accepted. The prime minister decided to accept the Egyptian package, thereby initiating a period of calm for the eight-day Passover festival and his four-day trip to Washington – even though Hamas had never directly undertaken any commitment toward Israel and Cairo alone was party to the truce. The upshot of this deal is that, after firing an anti-tank missile April 7 at an Israeli school bus – and so causing the death of a 16-year old Israeli boy - and terrorizing a million civilians in their homes week after week, Hamas comes out clean as a whistle and safe from Israeli retribution. It can also keep on smuggling arms to the Gaza Strip through its Sinai tunnels because the military rulers in Cairo avoided any commitment to combat this illegal flow. All in all, Hamas' prospects in Egypt are bright. The Muslim Brotherhood has every chance of rising to power in the parliamentary and presidential elections taking place in three months. Israel has no guarantee that the new rulers will honor the April 2011 commitments offered Israel by the provisional military rulers.
The only fly in Hamas's ointment is internal: Its unity accord with Fatah is stalled for now by a huge row between Hamas-Gaza and Hamas-Damascus over who gives the orders. This dispute is also a function of the Gaza faction's growing assertiveness under Cairo's protection and the Muslim Brotherhood's wing. And if letting Hamas off the hook were not enough, Brinks vans continue to carry roughly $13 million in cash from Israel into the Gaza Strip every month to avoid censure for starving the Gazan economy of cash, even though the money besides lining the pockets of its rulers finances the smuggling tunnels through which arms reach the enclave and which also provide them with a second source of profit. Hamas is not just gaining momentum in Egypt but most of all in the Gaza Strip itself"
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 1, 2011 9:29:28 GMT -5
Israel repeats threat against Iran. Straight from the Bears mouth.
Polina Romanova Jun 1, 2011 15:16 Moscow Time
Israel remains preoccupied with Tehran’s nuclear program and may carry out a preemptive strike against Iran, Israeli Vice Prime Minister Moshe Ya'alon said. Tel-Aviv often makes such kind of announcements without, however, specifying who would be responsible for attacking a sovereign state. Experts believe that this hostile rhetoric has to do with Iran’s growing influence in the region recently hit by a wave of social uprising.
Israel has repeatedly called on world leaders to join efforts in the face of ‘the Iranian threat’, seeing Tehran as its main enemy and major source of regional instability, an allegation which Iran does not deny. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also calls for Israel to be destroyed and provides financial and technical assistance to the Hamas Movement. Iran’s nuclear program remains a key matter of contention for nuclear weapons will definitely undermine the existing balance of power. Experts fear that religious extremists may get access to nuclear arsenals and this is what Israel uses to justify its potential preventive strike against Iran. However, Israel does not want to bear responsibility for the attack alone.
Tel-Aviv needs allies. This spring brought much havoc to the Arab world. Unlike toppled leaders in Tunisia and Egypt, new governments in these countries do not express sympathy for Jews. Israel has lost influence in both Tunisia and Egypt, the deputy head of the Council for Foreign and Defense Policies Dmitry Suslov says:
"Now Israel can hardly shape the opinion of the opposition and militants where anti-Israel sentiments prevail. And Israel`s settlement policy in the West Bank only adds fuel to the fire and stirs up more hatred to Israel among Arabs."
The situation is far more complicated in Egypt, where the new government has focused on resuming diplomatic relations with Iran interrupted in the 1980s. This came as a shock to Israel and evoked concerns in neighboring Arab countries. A delegation from Egypt visited Tehran. Allegedly in response to it, the UAE cancelled the visit of Egypt’s Prime Minister Essam Sharaf. Their fears can be explained, Dmitry Suslov says:
"If Egypt gets closer to Iran, there will be a real threat to Israeli national security. The positions of Saudi Arabia, which is also one of Iran’s major rivals in the Middle East, will be weakened, as well as that of the U.S. While Iran, on the contrary, will advance on the way to regional leadership. Actually, Arab revolutions have played into Iran`s hands making it the leading force for reform in the Middle East and liberation from imperialist control."
However, experts believe that the Islamization of Egypt and Tunisia will take time since their government will not take the risk to openly oppose Israel, the US and its allies in the region which are major donor countries. The US and the Gulf countries are ready to invest billions in young democracies, thus having the right to lay down their conditions.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 1, 2011 9:32:16 GMT -5
Israel repeats threat against Iran. Straight from the Bears mouth.
I have to wonder why the Arab League doesn't try to resolve this tense situation between Iran and Israel??? Or do they have any influence??
The UN doesn't seem to be able to do much anymore...so now the question is will these threats become more than just words??
Way above my pay grade so I will yield to our resident Middle East Experts..
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 1, 2011 9:36:20 GMT -5
The only way for the West to stand against the tide of Islam is to support Israel.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 1, 2011 9:42:21 GMT -5
The only way for the West to stand against the tide of Islam is to support Israel. Don't forget Jarhead that there is not a close relationship with the IDO and our Pentagon....Israel seems to be more in favor of unilateral actions than have the West or the US Military stand with them.... Our Defense Dept and the Israel Defense Organization had a really strained relationship in some of their recent conflicts in Lebanon and Palestine. I think the IDO told our SecDef to butt out in so many words which has Hillary and Obama so frustrated with Netanyaho...IMHO
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 1, 2011 9:59:13 GMT -5
I am on your side P.I . Negotiations have broken down. Israel can stand alone and will do everything in its power to remain a Jewish state.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 1, 2011 10:04:57 GMT -5
I am on your side P.I . Negotiations have broken down. Israel can stand alone and will do everything in its power to remain a Jewish state. I think it is better for us to stay out of that confict but just stand and watch but not sure what Obama would do if asked by Netanyaho for his help Just don't know but do recall the IDO and Marines in Lebanon were not on the same page and almost got into a mini shooting war just before our Embassy and Marine Barracks were blown to heaven and we lost @240 of our troops there..
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 1, 2011 11:45:10 GMT -5
" do recall the IDO and Marines in Lebanon were not on the same page "
it's been a long time but your correct, there was a situation where there was a stiff back and forth as I remember, between the two, objecting to the over all harshness of the Israeli's actions regarding those who they were battling, don't want to put a name to them, I don't believe Hezballah, Hamos were formed yet, believe it was just the PLO, yep that was it..I believe if you google,, I am not bothering it was something along the two armed groups came together, and it was a pissing contest between two or more senior officers, I am saying , Capt to Col or such, and the Israelis told them to P off...something like that. Higher pay grades seemed to cool things down...shortly after the Barracks were attacked. Please excuse if my thoughts might be a bit off, it has been a long time ago, but still remember it...that was when our BS let loose some salvo's of 16 " into the hills, bad gun powder , shells landed short or off mark and some civilians were killed , also leading to unhappiness by populace..as said, long time ago. Memory of the lost Marines and others never forgotten.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 1, 2011 12:13:35 GMT -5
Things are getting muddled here, more then normal. Some might think by my comments I am all for just giving the Palestinians whatever and for the Israeli's to pull back, let them have their State, and see what happens.
This is not so. I do have questions..
I beleive the Israeli's have done over the years a lot of "In your face " actions that have nothing to do with security for the State, just a flaunting as to who has control, pandering to some of their own people who do want the Palestinians gone from the West Bank, "Judea and Samaria" were given to us by the lord , is their feelings , even though , if so, when he gave it to them there weren't over 6 million Palestinians living there.
Things are changing quickly now however. Egypt granted still under treaty with Israel and I believe will not try to break it and go to a belligerent stance again, and back in control , semi, in Gaza, actually it seems with the OK of the Israeli's, even to asking the Egyptians to take care of supplying the supplies for living to pass through from their area instead of from Israel. That arms and munitions are also now passing through, and the Egyptians not trying to stop them, not sure if that is what the Israeli's had on their mind.
Hamas and Fatah, the two political parties who were at odds are know joining together to have a united front in their confrontation with Israel, , elections are to be held in October and it is suggested that Hamas will be the winner in that.
If so I wonder what about those from the PA[Fatah}, a minority party as most democracies have , works out fairly well, see us as a example, a bit of tongue in check there, however so far no blood shed in the streets , fingers crossed, but if in their case, if Fatah does not change their charter, Israel will not , can't negotiate a peace and land distribution.
The two sides are basically at war with each other, no one suing for peace, and if Hamas takes a belligerent stand against Israel, which will bring destruction down on them [Palastinians]from the Israeli's, rightly so to defend themselves from hostile attacks on their citizens , will those members of the PA who , while not in love with the Israeli's in any way, would they support this belligerent attitude of the new majority party.
Along with this is Iran's influence into the West Bank, they influence Hamas , as well as Iran being into Syria, as well as Lebanon, supporting Hezballah and Iran is Israelis #1 enemy in Israeli's eyes, , as well as Iranian leadership feeling the same way, Israel is their # 1 enemy.
On top of this, is the September attempt for the Palestinians to try to get recognition for the Palestinian State in the UN, granted a possible vetio of by the US, but even if done, still... and the recognition and acceptance by so many nations and most importantly European countries, who have such a great history toward the Jews over the eons of time they have had those people living with them selves, [Hey, had to mention it, beyond a few countries, Netherlands, Scandinavian, Denmark} but the major powers, treatment of, it sucked to say the least.
Possible this is NOT the time to insist on face to face meetings...who are you negotiating with and the problem is if there are sanctions officially or unofficially put on Israel, imports , exports, by nations innsympathy to the Palastinians, it could be a very dangerous time, so while my questions remain, possible at this point they really are moot. More important things coming up.
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