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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 30, 2011 9:42:35 GMT -5
May a Memorial Day dawn without war By Dale McFeatters Memorial Day famously honors America’s war dead. At first it was the fallen Union and Confederate soldiers of the Civil War. But now it recognizes a long line of patriots stretching back to Lexington and Concord and continuing to this day with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This weekend will mark the ninth consecutive Memorial Day when our nation has been at war after being forcibly wrenched into combat by the events of 9 11, concocted by violent religious fanatics operating with the permission of Afghanistan’s Taliban government. www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/20110530may_a_memorial_day_dawn_without_war/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...remembering today...
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Post by billisonboard on May 30, 2011 9:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by ugonow on May 30, 2011 9:56:20 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by privateinvestor on May 30, 2011 10:01:24 GMT -5
May a Memorial Day Dawn Without War
Sadly that may not happen even in my lifetime....and we should be prepared to see more of our best and finest lose their lives or be severely wounded.....
And what is also sad today is that so many don't care...but for those who do care....thank you...
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Post by b2r on May 30, 2011 10:11:49 GMT -5
Fallen Soldiers Tribute -- I Am Still Here
Freedom is not free.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2011 10:18:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure this war will ever end. Not when the mission of those we fight will never end. Very sad-- our new way of life. b2r-- beautiful use of the lovely and sad Amy Lee's work.
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Post by ugonow on May 30, 2011 10:19:46 GMT -5
I don't know if it that some don't care, or if it is more of a they just take things for granted.People have become desensitized .Personaly,I am eternaly thankfull to not only those that gave the ultimate sacrifice, for our country,but also for those that gave all those other sacrifices in order to serve our nation.
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Post by privateinvestor on May 30, 2011 10:27:10 GMT -5
I don't know if it that some don't care, or if it is more of a they just take things for granted.People have become desensitized .Personaly,I am eternaly thankfull to not only those that gave the ultimate sacrifice, for our country,but also for those that gave all those other sacrifices in order to serve our nation. There are some who could care less...believe me on this...I know from first hand experiences...
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Post by billisonboard on May 30, 2011 10:31:39 GMT -5
I don't know if it that some don't care, or if it is more of a they just take things for granted.People have become desensitized .Personaly,I am eternaly thankfull to not only those that gave the ultimate sacrifice, for our country,but also for those that gave all those other sacrifices in order to serve our nation. I believe two very positive things have contributed to this problem. The first is the all volunteer military. This has given large parts of the population the ability to simply ignore that people are volunteering and serving. The second is the incredible technological advances which allow our military to accomplish missions which used to require a 200 boots on the ground that can now be done by a couple of tech-heads with remote control devices. Although there are still jobs to be done door to door, they are fewer and require many less people in uniform. As I stated, both are good things but do have their down side.
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Post by privateinvestor on May 30, 2011 10:36:32 GMT -5
I believe two very positive things have contributed to this problem. The first is the all volunteer military. This has given large parts of the population the ability to simply ignore that people are volunteering and serving. The second is the incredible technological advances which allow our military to accomplish missions which used to require a 200 boots on the ground that can now be done by a couple of tech-heads with remote control devices. Although there are still jobs to be done door to door, they are fewer and require many less people in uniform. As I stated, both are good things but do have their down side
Not true or factual the tech advances play only a small role in combat operation which is something you would not understand...boots on the ground are having a rough time in the Afghan and many are on their third or fourth tour and taking tremendous tolls on them both physically and mentally and again as I stated previously many like you could care less including others in your ilk
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 30, 2011 11:08:07 GMT -5
<<< many like you could care less including others in your ilk>>> ...fixed... ...and no poo-pooing my patriotic thread...
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Post by billisonboard on May 30, 2011 11:08:15 GMT -5
I believe two very positive things have contributed to this problem. The first is the all volunteer military. This has given large parts of the population the ability to simply ignore that people are volunteering and serving. The second is the incredible technological advances which allow our military to accomplish missions which used to require a 200 boots on the ground that can now be done by a couple of tech-heads with remote control devices. Although there are still jobs to be done door to door, they are fewer and require many less people in uniform. As I stated, both are good things but do have their down sideNot true or factual the tech advances play only a small role in combat operation which is something you would not understand...boots on the ground are having a rough time in the Afghan and many are on their third or fourth tour and taking tremendous tolls on them both physically and mentally and again as I stated previously many like you could care less including others in your ilk As noted in my post, technological advances will never fully replace the efforts of foot soldiers. That they are being used does not in any way diminish the work nor the sacrifices made by those men and women.
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Post by mmhmm on May 30, 2011 14:50:03 GMT -5
What a lovely thought, Been There. One can only hope to see that day. Thanks for posting it. It made me smile, even though a bit wistfully.
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Post by mmhmm on May 30, 2011 14:53:47 GMT -5
I don't know if it that some don't care, or if it is more of a they just take things for granted.People have become desensitized .Personaly,I am eternaly thankfull to not only those that gave the ultimate sacrifice, for our country,but also for those that gave all those other sacrifices in order to serve our nation. I think we have to remember the families waiting at home, as well. War is hell on everyone. While we honor our dead, and remember them with love and fondness, we must continue to strive toward peace. I'm not cynical enough to believe a time won't come, someday, when people don't have to die for the world to understand the difference between peoples and co-exist without war and the killing that accompanies war. Thanks to all who have given, and are still giving ... both those on the front line, and those who support them here, and abroad. We do care.
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Post by henryclay on May 30, 2011 15:02:35 GMT -5
Some don't care? Does anybody know anyone who does not care?
If you've been on these boards very long you will remember the poster who flipped it all off as an associated cost of having made a "choice of employment".
Thanks for the thread.
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Post by mmhmm on May 30, 2011 15:06:23 GMT -5
Honestly, henry, I don't know a soul who doesn't care. Anyone who has lost someone to war, or knows others who have, will care deeply. Flippant remarks notwithstanding, most of us would love to see a world without war, death, and calamity.
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Post by mmhmm on May 30, 2011 15:08:03 GMT -5
Honestly, Henry, I don't know a soul who doesn't care. Anyone who has lost a loved one to war, or knows someone who has, cares deeply. Flippant remarks notwithstanding, most people would love to see a world without the death, destruction, and calamity that accompanies war.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 30, 2011 15:10:51 GMT -5
Honestly, henry, I don't know a soul who doesn't care. Anyone who has lost someone to war, or knows others who have, will care deeply. Flippant remarks notwithstanding, most of us would love to see a world without war, death, and calamity. ...at the risk of sounding flippant, not the gal from that "Tuck Everlasting" movie... she chose to not drink from the fountain of youth so that she could grow old and die one day...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 30, 2011 15:14:15 GMT -5
...fwiw, I'm spending Memorial Day with my favorite combat veteran, who just wants to veg on the couch watching TV, eating snacks, and playing footsie... which has given me a lot of time to spend with you guys, too...
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Post by privateinvestor on May 30, 2011 15:20:02 GMT -5
Some don't care? Does anybody know anyone who does not care? If you've been on these boards very long you will remember the poster who flipped it all off as an associated cost of having made a "choice of employment". Thanks for the thread. I remember that poster and was thinking of him when I said many don't care...and don't forget the few here who denigrated those in the military or were in the military...
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Post by jarhead1976 on May 30, 2011 15:20:17 GMT -5
Prayers and Respects to all!
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 30, 2011 15:22:51 GMT -5
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on May 30, 2011 15:41:20 GMT -5
I was sitting here today, looking at the calendar, and realized that I'm already mentally counting down to my wonderful DH's NEXT deployment later this year. He just returned from Iraq in February ~ that was his 7th time flying the not-so-friendly skies over there. Needless to say, I care about wars, and I yearn for peace. It's rather sobering to realize that we're approaching the 10-year-anniversary of our invading Afghanistan in response to 9-11. Ten years. And weeks can go by without a mention of the fighting on the national news evening broadcast. I think this is wrong, and contributes to a sort of "out of sight, out of mind mentality."
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Post by privateinvestor on May 30, 2011 15:43:41 GMT -5
We could come back here in ten years and still be talking about the war in Afghanistan but I hope I am wrong..
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 30, 2011 15:44:16 GMT -5
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on May 30, 2011 15:46:03 GMT -5
We could come back here in ten years and still be talking about the war in Afghanistan but I hope I am wrong.. I hope you are wrong, too. But at least my wonderful DH will be retired from the military by then
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Post by privateinvestor on May 30, 2011 15:56:22 GMT -5
We could come back here in ten years and still be talking about the war in Afghanistan but I hope I am wrong.. I hope you are wrong, too. But at least my wonderful DH will be retired from the military by then I am old enough to vividly recall five of our wars...and am ready for peace as are most of my generation but I don't see how we cannot be involved in Afghanistan for a long time and who knows what else will happen in that region?? Vietnam, Lebanon, Desert Storm, Iraq, and Afghanistan...
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Post by mmhmm on May 30, 2011 16:05:01 GMT -5
I was sitting here today, looking at the calendar, and realized that I'm already mentally counting down to my wonderful DH's NEXT deployment later this year. He just returned from Iraq in February ~ that was his 7th time flying the not-so-friendly skies over there. Needless to say, I care about wars, and I yearn for peace. It's rather sobering to realize that we're approaching the 10-year-anniversary of our invading Afghanistan in response to 9-11. Ten years. And weeks can go by without a mention of the fighting on the national news evening broadcast. I think this is wrong, and contributes to a sort of "out of sight, out of mind mentality." Believe me, Molly, just because it isn't mentioned in the news doesn't mean many of us don't have these men and women in our hearts and minds.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on May 30, 2011 16:09:39 GMT -5
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Post by henryclay on May 30, 2011 16:26:26 GMT -5
There is a little known part of our military that has a tradition of silence. "Men Who Walk Apart". They are still out there. Serving quietly but with great dedication and skill. It is an enlightenment when we have an opportunity to learn more about them. Here is something from WWII. They are credited with causing close to one half of the total shipping losses that Japan suffered. One thing about them, strikingly obvious to those who lived next door to them in close confines of wartime Honolulu was their resilience. Uniformly when they came off patrol they were pallid strained-looking and tired. All of them were thin, some positively emaciated, as you might expect in men who had just passed a couple of months locked away from sunlight inside an iron barrel. They were alert and pleasant and interested in their surroundings, but so far as my own observations went, few of them in their first two or three days ashore ever laughed out loud. If any of them went out and got drunk, which certainly seemed a good and excusable idea, they did it like every thing else they did, in their own way and at their own convenience. www.submarinesailor.com/bbs2/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4321&mid=19390
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