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Post by Cookies Galore on May 23, 2011 12:26:26 GMT -5
The university chain I work for has decided to jack up the tution for engineering majors What college is this? I've NEVER heard of a school charging more for any major. My alma mater has always has different tuition costs depending on the college the program falls under. For example, the School of Communication and Theater (my program) is currently at $11,834, the Collge of Engineering is $13,092, the School of Art ranges from $14,810 to $11,834, etc.
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Post by illinicheme on May 23, 2011 12:29:47 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of a favorite saying from one of DH's fellow chemistry professor colleagues: "What are you going to do with a biology degree - be a hairdresser???"
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Post by rovo on May 23, 2011 13:25:32 GMT -5
This ought to give a few of you recent grads a coronary. My tuition and room (but not board) was $315 a semester when I started and raised to about $385 by the 4th year. Engineers paid the same as everyone else, no lab fees as I recall, and the tuition covered 15 hours and up (full time). It was cheaper for part timers. There was one activity fee of about $10 for concerts, etc. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by mtntigger on May 23, 2011 13:28:22 GMT -5
Crap! rovo must have gone to school the same time I did! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) My tuition started out as $165/quarter; 4 years later it was $320-ish; no lab fees and tuition was 12 hours and up. Gotta love the California university program. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by pig on May 23, 2011 13:31:05 GMT -5
Yeah, but Rovo what did they have to teach you? Math hadn't even been invented yet. ;D
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Post by rovo on May 23, 2011 13:41:50 GMT -5
Yeah, but Rovo what did they have to teach you? Math hadn't even been invented yet. ;D Actually math hasn't changed much since I attended as my son took many of the same courses but many fewer than I did. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) The big change over the years has been in the Major, EE, where things we were dreaming about became reality during our lives. I spent a hell of a lot more time studying during my career than was ever required/needed during school.
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Post by phil5185 on May 23, 2011 14:07:55 GMT -5
Actually math hasn't changed much Most of the basics were discovered 100's of years ago, 1500 and 1600s - the Fourier series, Maclaurin's series, Taylor's series, Fibonacci's Ratio, etc. And John Napier's Naperian (natural) log base. Kepler used calculus to discover the elliptical orbits of planets even before the last few planets were discovered. And we still use that whenever we design and put a new satellite into orbit - ie, 24,000 miles out for a stationary orbit (GPS), 300 to 600 miles up for polar orbit birds, and so on.
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Post by pig on May 24, 2011 7:04:54 GMT -5
Really Phil?? I thought calculus was a product of wommans liberation in the 60's? ![](http://forum.blu-ray.com/images/smilies/imported/crazy.gif)
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Post by gs11rmb on May 24, 2011 13:04:10 GMT -5
"I found out shortly before the student left that she had never had her paperwork filed with IACUC, she was running around the mouse room without authorization!"
Wow - that could have got your school into some serious trouble.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 24, 2011 13:09:20 GMT -5
Wow - that could have got your school into some serious trouble. No shit. The guy that ran the lab she was in has to be sleeping with or blackmailing someone because he had another lab tech that committed a serious violation that could have cost the entire school its license but all he got was a slap on the wrist and removed from the IACUC board. Any other lab would have been strung up by their thumbs. If I had committed that type of violation I never would have worked in this town again. I am just really glad I got that student out of my hair before the shit REALLY hit the fan. I still had to do some serious groveling and ass kissing to get past it with IACUC. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by phil5185 on May 24, 2011 13:27:57 GMT -5
I thought calculus was a product of wommans liberation in the 60's? Naw, that was Pre-calculus. (a subset of PMS).
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 24, 2011 13:31:35 GMT -5
Most of the basics were discovered 100's of years ago, 1500 and 1600s
So what goes on in the Math world and universities today? New applications of mathematics to solve modern problems?
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Post by gs11rmb on May 24, 2011 13:39:09 GMT -5
I'm a grant writer and working on a grant for the Department of Defense - I tremble at the thought of violating the IACUC!!!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 24, 2011 13:41:32 GMT -5
I have no idea what is going on at that institution and I am GLAD I don't work there anymore. The university I am at now is much better run and so far I have not encountered anyone like the collaborator above. I am sure they are here, it's a pretty big university, but I have not run into anyone.
A LOT happier. I loved the lab I actually worked for, but I did a happy dance once I was finally out of the university and away from the other labs I was surrounded by.
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Post by pig on May 24, 2011 13:56:33 GMT -5
So what goes on in the Math world and universities today? New applications of mathematics to solve modern problems?
Yes, mathematics is a science unto itself. Most engineers only see the applications side of things. If you take higher math you end up on the proof side. Knot theory, for example is the product of pure mathematics that is seeing use in applications and theoretical aspects of science. Group theory etc which also come from pure math are always finding new application in all sorts of sciences.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 24, 2011 14:08:46 GMT -5
Yes, mathematics is a science unto itself
If you are familiar with that TV program: "Numb3rs", with David Krumholtz as the math genius and Rob Morrow playing his brother who is in the FBI. They use higher math to solve crime. How accurate or not is this?
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Post by swamp on May 24, 2011 14:11:17 GMT -5
In the real world, most crime is solved by someone blabbing about it.
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Post by illinicheme on May 24, 2011 14:22:38 GMT -5
Based on the complete inaccuracy of lab science in shows like CSI, I'm inclined to assume Numb3rs is not accurate. But I only saw half an episode some number of years ago, so I could be wrong. Swamp is right on again, though. Per usual. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 24, 2011 14:25:29 GMT -5
In the real world, most crime is solved by someone blabbing about it. Oh yeah? Well, (56+78x)/(45*43n) to you! ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by swamp on May 24, 2011 14:29:46 GMT -5
In the real world, most crime is solved by someone blabbing about it. Oh yeah? Well, (56+78x)/(45*43n) to you! ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) <<Calls 911.>>
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Post by Taxman10 on May 24, 2011 14:31:11 GMT -5
Oh yeah? Well, (56+78x)/(45*43n) to you! ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) <<Calls 911.>> <<runs and hides>>
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Post by CarolinaKat on May 24, 2011 14:31:49 GMT -5
Based on the complete inaccuracy of lab science in shows like CSI, I'm inclined to assume Numb3rs is not accurate. But I only saw half an episode some number of years ago, so I could be wrong. Swamp is right on again, though. Per usual. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) IDK about the theory, but I've caught a couple of the episodes where they were using the WRONG types of formulas on the chalkboard and/or the equations don't go together
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Post by commentator on May 25, 2011 7:58:07 GMT -5
There's a song that begins, "Deep despair, excessive misery." Those mean old STEM professors. How dare they expect students to take responsibility for their own education? How dare they not spoon feed pablum to those poor, mistreated, long suffering poor little darlings? Personally, I prefer that bridges be built and medical research be done by people that actually had to learn the basics of their crafts as undergraduates.
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Post by gs11rmb on May 25, 2011 8:06:40 GMT -5
"Personally, I prefer that bridges be built and medical research be done by people that actually had to learn the basics of their crafts as undergraduates. "
I have a good gf from India and she told me about a bridge in Pune that has a big zig-zag in the middle because the engineers didn't do a good job of lining up each side on the plans. The standard joke is it happened because all the engineers that did well in school and were truly competent moved to the U.S.
BTW, it was her joke and I did not mean it as any sort of slight to engineers that stay in India!!!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 25, 2011 8:20:08 GMT -5
Based on the complete inaccuracy of lab science in shows like CSI,
This drives me absolutely NUTS and is one of the reasons why I stopped watching CSI.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 25, 2011 8:23:57 GMT -5
This drives me absolutely NUTS and is one of the reasons why I stopped watching CSI
My alma mater started a forensci sciences major because they had so many kids coming in wanting to major in it because of shows like CSI, they saw a cash cow.
My organic chem professor was put in charge of it and he pushed to get it made into a biochemistry degree with an emphasis on forensic science. He had to work really hard to point out that it was not smart to base an entire majors program on shows like CSI.
He said lots of parents were relieved because they were really concerned with their kids not being able to get a job and their desire not matching reality. A biochemistry degree opens up a lot more doors than a forensic science degree alone.
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Post by 973beachbum on May 25, 2011 8:38:22 GMT -5
"Personally, I prefer that bridges be built and medical research be done by people that actually had to learn the basics of their crafts as undergraduates. " I have a good gf from India and she told me about a bridge in Pune that has a big zig-zag in the middle because the engineers didn't do a good job of lining up each side on the plans. The standard joke is it happened because all the engineers that did well in school and were truly competent moved to the U.S. BTW, it was her joke and I did not mean it as any sort of slight to engineers that stay in India!!! Anyone remember the satelite that half was done in metric and half in standard American? Or how about Route 295 in NJ by route 42??? The north half and the southern half don't line up and missed by maybe half a mile. ![](http://us.social.s-msn.com/s/images/emoticons/what_smile.gif)
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Post by zibazinski on May 25, 2011 9:07:48 GMT -5
I LOVED that show NUMBERS, probably because I sucked at math but always wanted to understand it.
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Post by illinicheme on May 25, 2011 10:20:41 GMT -5
Based on the complete inaccuracy of lab science in shows like CSI, This drives me absolutely NUTS and is one of the reasons why I stopped watching CSI. I watched about five episodes when it first came out and then couldn't take anymore. Haven't seen it, or any of the numerous genre spinoffs, since. I do still occasionally watch Law and Order. There's enough bad science spillover in that show to satisfy my need to roll my eyes.
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Post by runewell on May 25, 2011 10:40:02 GMT -5
I know I'm late to the discussion. Ending up in a large lecture hall and the instructor having an accent are lame excuses. A lot of the learning occurs after you leave and practice what has been preached. The work/study ethic of some motivated foreigners puts us lazy Americans to shame, and that's why they are getting ahead.
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