A REAL leader would be embarrassed

[henryclay]

Yes, a real leader would be embarrassed. But Obama seems to be emboldened instead by the lack of clarity in the messages that come from his inner circle.

From reading someone else's words off a teleprompter to having a different version of the same event published by every eye witness or special interest hanger on, to seemingly pulling made-up stories out of a stage illusionist's hat the Obama administration is an embarrassment itself. An embarraassment to a once proud nation that took honesty and forthrightness as model character traits.

What a roller coaster ride: Osama bin Laden engaged the SEALs in a firefight. Well, no, actually, it turns out he didn't. But he did seize a woman, probably one of his wives, to use as a human shield. Uh, well, actually he didn't do that, either. But he was armed, we know that for sure. Ummm, no, not really. OK, but we're positive that woman was killed. Uh, not exactly. But we definitely, positively, absolutely know that Osama is dead. We have the photographs to prove it and the public can see them. Er, no, not quite. The president has them but you can't see them. Everybody will just have to take his word for it.

That won't happen, either. There was a time when everybody took a president's word for everything. But nobody trusts the government on anything anymore.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/6/pruden-insult-american-soldier/print/

[magichat]

You used to trust the government Henry? I don't remember when I was ever that ignorant.

[henryclay]

Yeah, but the difference is, where a look in the eye and a handshake was once a form of mutual insurance against fraud, today we measure our belief in others by whether or not we can ourselves be trusted.

Don't we?

[magichat]

May 11, 2011 9:20:45 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Yeah, but the difference is, where a look in the eye and a handshake was once a form of mutual insurance against fraud, today we measure our belief in others by whether or not we can ourselves be trusted.

Don't we?

That was never an insurance against fraud. Rose colored glasses tend to get thicker as we age.

[pepper112765]

Heard on the news today the pictures of Bin Laden will be shown to some members of Congress at CIA Headquarters, so hopefully one of your representatives is one of those that will be present. To me, it doesn't really matter how it was done...it was and it was a successful mission, thank goodness. Just like an ex-seal said this morning, with missions like that you either come out a "zero or a hero." Blunders are made all the time...I think going into Iraq for weapons of mass destruction was one, but Bush was the Commander in Chief and that was his decision. So is the fallout of that decision. A man behind the deaths of thousands of people, and in particular one I used to work with whose plane was flown into the Pentagon, was killed by the government that represents those people. What difference does it really make, whether Bin Laden he was armed, unarmed, clothed or naked. The end result is that coward is gone.

[henryclay]

To many Americans, and their numbers are growing, ths Obama administration is just a continuation of unkept promises that began long before Obama ever ran for office. He wrote, or somebody wrote for him, is his book hat he could never find a place for himself in his childhood so invented them. He has never responded head on to any challenge. He made a name for himself by misleading the Chicago ghetto inhabitabts into thinking they were being exploited. He continued thaat theme in the Illinois legislature, and he usd it to get elected. If he ever uttred a favorable word about his predecessors it was inaudible, and now, like a schoolyard bully he takes credit for the very things he condemned as being unAmerican.

He has no leadership qualities. If he did there would only be one veriopn of what happened on the SEAL raid, butlike everything else that comes out of the Obama administration ther are so many different versions that the truth will never really be known.

Except that he will use it as a campaign tool, once again using the accomplishments of others to make himself look appealing.

[magichat]

HenryClay, most of your issue is with the advent of the 24 hour news cycle. With the advent of channels dedicated to news they have nothing else to say or do but talk about whatever is hot at the moment. Government officials get a microphone stuck in their face and they talk.

Look at the amount of misinformation that came out of the Japan earthquake its the same problem. How fard did Japan's coast move 8' 10' 12'? God only knows because the news channels had nothing else to talk about.

[Deleted]

It's not ALL news media. Obama lies. Did you see this article, Henry?
www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/is_obama_a_serial_liar.html
I posted it elsewhere, but don't think you were on that thread.

[marshabar1]

May 11, 2011 9:28:21 GMT -5 pepper112765 said:

Heard on the news today the pictures of Bin Laden will be shown to some members of Congress at CIA Headquarters, so hopefully one of your representatives is one of those that will be present. To me, it doesn't really matter how it was done...it was and it was a successful mission, thank goodness. Just like an ex-seal said this morning, with missions like that you either come out a "zero or a hero." Blunders are made all the time...I think going into Iraq for weapons of mass destruction was one, but Bush was the Commander in Chief and that was his decision. So is the fallout of that decision. A man behind the deaths of thousands of people, and in particular one I used to work with whose plane was flown into the Pentagon, was killed by the government that represents those people. What difference does it really make, whether Bin Laden he was armed, unarmed, clothed or naked. The end result is that coward is gone.

Slip. . . crack. . . leak. . .


See, lefties and Muslims, I didn't release the pictures, hehhehheh, uh uh . . . they got leaked hehheh. Probably those Pubs! Hehheh. . .

What a bunch of clowns. Thug clowns.

[Deleted]

If it's good, Obama did it... until it is bad, then someone else did it. I get it.

[magichat]

May 11, 2011 12:07:20 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

It's not ALL news media. Obama lies. Did you see this article, Henry?
www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/is_obama_a_serial_liar.html
I posted it elsewhere, but don't think you were on that thread.

Good god a politican lies? When did this start?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Obama got Osama and we got 72 versions...

[jarhead1976]

May 11, 2011 9:20:45 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Yeah, but the difference is, where a look in the eye and a handshake was once a form of mutual insurance against fraud, today we measure our belief in others by whether or not we can ourselves be trusted.

Don't we?

Even as regulated as the state I live in is I always try to do business that way. that's how I started out and that's how I hope to end it. I have only been beaten out of money once in 30 years. Respects henryclay . Here is to old school rules.

[jkapp]

May 11, 2011 13:42:07 GMT -5 @magichat said:

May 11, 2011 12:07:20 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

It's not ALL news media. Obama lies. Did you see this article, Henry?
www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/is_obama_a_serial_liar.html
I posted it elsewhere, but don't think you were on that thread.

Good god a politican lies? When did this start?

When DID that start?

For regular politicians, its probably always been that way for eons. But for our presidents, I don't know if that was always the case - they may have not told the complete truth for secrecy reasons, but when did outright lies start? Has anyone studied every president to know if it was always like this with our Commander-in-chiefs or if it is a more recent thing???

[Deleted]

And here's to old school men.

[deziloooooo]

May 11, 2011 8:17:29 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Yes, a real leader would be embarrassed. But Obama seems to be emboldened instead by the lack of clarity in the messages that come from his inner circle.

From reading someone else's words off a TelePrompTer to having a different version of the same event published by every eye witness or special interest hanger on, to seemingly pulling made-up stories out of a stage illusionist's hat the Obama administration is an embarrassment itself. An embarrassment to a once proud nation that took honesty and forthrightness as model character traits.

What a roller coaster ride: Osama bin Laden engaged the SEALs in a firefight. Well, no, actually, it turns out he didn't. But he did seize a woman, probably one of his wives, to use as a human shield. Uh, well, actually he didn't do that, either. But he was armed, we know that for sure. Ummm, no, not really. OK, but we're positive that woman was killed. Uh, not exactly. But we definitely, positively, absolutely know that Osama is dead. We have the photographs to prove it and the public can see them. Er, no, not quite. The president has them but you can't see them. Everybody will just have to take his word for it.

That won't happen, either. There was a time when everybody took a president's word for everything. But nobody trusts the government on anything anymore.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/6/pruden-insult-american-soldier/print/

"From reading someone else's words off a TelePrompTer "

You really have a problem with TelePrompTers as if he invented them, been around PONTUS for a long time. Speech writers? Hell so many over the years they write books about their experiences, AND people buy them.

"different version of the same event published by every eye witness or special interest hanger on, to seemingly pulling made-up stories out of a stage illusionist's hat "

Called free speech, some amendment or other , a little one, not really important..what people do with such a important office, feel have to get their own views in and comment on whatever, other wise no paycheck at the end of the week.

"An embarrassment to a once proud nation "

Poor baby , you have given up on it so soon, all in less then three years no less. So disappointing to you, but you have been p and moaning since before the man was sworn in, come on now, admit it.[Think you did actually]

Aha, I get it now, you are a voyageur, one of those , want to see the bullet holes, the head blown off, the blood and brain tissue, exposed.

Why didn't you say so, your like those films with the guy in the hockey mask too. Finally it is understood, your not one privy to the gory pictures so your P off.

As I said, "poor baby " here's a lolly , make you feel better. There ya go, we see a smile there now, isn't that better?

[jkapp]

May 11, 2011 13:59:26 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

May 11, 2011 9:20:45 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Yeah, but the difference is, where a look in the eye and a handshake was once a form of mutual insurance against fraud, today we measure our belief in others by whether or not we can ourselves be trusted.

Don't we?

Even as regulated as the state I live in is I always try to do business that way. that's how I started out and that's how I hope to end it. I have only been beaten out of money once in 30 years. Respects henryclay . Here is to old school rules.

If you have a good radar for people, then you can usually sniff out the shysters...but there are just too many people that think there are too-good-to-be-true deals to be made that are legit.

[Deleted]

Who knows, been there? Unless we are serious historians, most of us only have what we have seen from politicians in our lives. Any historians out there??? YOO-HOO~~~~ have they always lied like dogs? I consider Obama much worse than Bush, but I didn't vote for Obama. On the other hand I will admit to not liking all Repubs, either, because they are all over the place and can't keep their lies or POVs straight, so I am not totally biased toward one side.

[billisonboard]

May 11, 2011 14:07:23 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

...have they always lied like dogs? ...

It would just be "Abe" if "Honest Abe" didn't set him apart from others. And don't forget George and the Cherry Tree.

[jarhead1976]

This message has been deleted as a serious personal attack..

jarhead, you certainly know better..

[henryclay]

there are just too many people that think there are too-good-to-be-true deals

And they are still following Obama's rainbow. Even as it disappears into the fog of reality.

Look at this photograph and tell yourself that you are proud to place the faith of the nation in the hands of these people. (But first, be sure you can name them all, are familiar with their backgrounds and can identify them by the positions they hold.)

[deziloooooo]

May 11, 2011 14:07:23 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Who knows, been there? Unless we are serious historians, most of us only have what we have seen from politicians in our lives. Any historians out there??? YOO-HOO~~~~ have they always lied like dogs? I consider Obama much worse than Bush, but I didn't vote for Obama. On the other hand I will admit to not liking all Repubs, either, because they are all over the place and can't keep their lies or POVs straight, so I am not totally biased toward one side.

Thar ya go...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 11, 2011 14:28:40 GMT -5 henryclay said:

there are just too many people that think there are too-good-to-be-true deals

And they are still following Obama's rainbow. Even as it disappears into the fog of reality.

Look at this photograph and tell yourself that you are proud to place the faith of the nation in the hands of these people. (But first, be sure you can name them all, are familiar with their backgrounds and can identify them by the positions they hold.)

I always thought (serious observation) that Obama was a pretty tall, imposing figure. He looks downright tiny in this photo. I find that odd.

[deziloooooo]

May 11, 2011 14:28:40 GMT -5 henryclay said:

there are just too many people that think there are too-good-to-be-true deals

And they are still following Obama's rainbow. Even as it disappears into the fog of reality.

Look at this photograph and tell yourself that you are proud to place the faith of the nation in the hands of these people. (But first, be sure you can name them all, are familiar with their backgrounds and can identify them by the positions they hold.)

Why not, from the picture of what ever they are seeing, and they are not looking at each other to get a idea of how to react, what ever they are seeing, it is riviting, and no I don't think they are watching a flick of the guy in the Hockey mask doing his thing.

Why you are objecting to this picture is beyond me..me thinks I am correct, your just P off because you can't see the Pic's..the blood and guts ones, here, have another lolly, it might bring a smile to your face.

[marshabar1]

May 11, 2011 14:35:11 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 11, 2011 14:28:40 GMT -5 henryclay said:

there are just too many people that think there are too-good-to-be-true deals

And they are still following Obama's rainbow. Even as it disappears into the fog of reality.

Look at this photograph and tell yourself that you are proud to place the faith of the nation in the hands of these people. (But first, be sure you can name them all, are familiar with their backgrounds and can identify them by the positions they hold.)

I always thought (serious observation) that Obama was a pretty tall, imposing figure. He looks downright tiny in this photo. I find that odd.

They just hauled him in from the golf course and plunked him in the corner. I don't think the puppet master had time to get his hand up Obama's back yet.

[magichat]

May 11, 2011 14:59:47 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

May 11, 2011 14:35:11 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I always thought (serious observation) that Obama was a pretty tall, imposing figure. He looks downright tiny in this photo. I find that odd.

They just hauled him in from the golf course and plunked him in the corner. I don't think the puppet master had time to get his hand up Obama's back yet.

He's in the corner because he was sitting at the head of the table at the end not pictured. He moved so that he and everybody else could see the video feed.

[hello fromWarsaw]

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I think it must go against everything Obama believes in to kill someone like that, even if he is a bad guy. I'm not surprised it shrunk him. He sure bounced back quick, though, and became the all time best college prof, community organizer warrior!!

[Deleted]

SO-- a good man will take his medicine, but will the baiter even see the bait thrown out? Doubtful.

[hello fromWarsaw]

May 11, 2011 12:07:20 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

It's not ALL news media. Obama lies. Did you see this article, Henry?
www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/is_obama_a_serial_liar.html
I posted it elsewhere, but don't think you were on that thread.

Actually, it's your article that's full of lies. Ie, you can be all after OBL and still win the war against terrorism. And their figures for health reform svings are BS- no Obama lies AGAIN....etc etc

Yes, I'm a historian- and Pubs have ALWAYS lied, wrapped themselves in the flag, the bible, and racism, and always been corrupt for the mega rich and cheating corporations, against the common man.