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Post by ungenteel on May 7, 2011 22:47:22 GMT -5
The U. S. is wallowing in debt, private & public (federal, state and local) ... the only way to retire debt is with new wealth creation ... the only way to create new wealth is with value added activities ... manufacturing, agriculture, construction, mining etc.
A doctor performs a valuable service .. but does not create wealth, he just participates in a wealth transfer .. as do all service occupations
American corporations have transferred much of our value added activities offshore .. the consequence being that we are losing our ability to create new wealth and retire debt
Righties blame unions and and regulations for this movement of value added activities to offshore locations ... libs blame corporate greed
Whatever the cause .. America is toast if we fail to return value added activities back to America ... our debt will choke us .. and cutting gummint spending is a joke of a solution .. it is a band aid ... we must create new wealth to retire existing debt
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Post by formerexpat on May 7, 2011 22:54:28 GMT -5
Righties do get it...we're waiting for the left to realize it's unions, regulations and anti-business policies that are keeping /driving businesses away from the US.
Seems the people are understanding. Union participation is at historical lows, elections have shown that the citizens favor pro business candidates. We'll see how badly people want to work in 2012 when **real** unemployment is still over 15%.
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Post by lakhota on May 7, 2011 22:59:01 GMT -5
Then why did we flourish under President Clinton? Including a balanced budget?
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Post by ungenteel on May 7, 2011 23:04:38 GMT -5
<<Righties do get it...we're waiting for the left to realize it's unions, regulations and anti-business policies>>
Thanks for making my point .. get this .. I worked for a company that consistently had a 45% to 50% gross margins and an 18% to 24% net margin .. that wasn't good enough for our corporate handlers .. they shut down our U.S plant and moved the manufacturing to Mexico ... some companies would kill for those margins ... I come down on the corporate greed side of the evaluation ... we had a union ( I was not union) and we were a California company ... even with a union and California regulations, we put up great profit margins ... corporate handlers are greedy ... it's a fact
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Post by formerexpat on May 7, 2011 23:38:20 GMT -5
Funny - I thought a balanced budget would result in a decreasing national debt [or at least not increasing]. Tell me, since I was too young to vote in the 90's, which year did this occur again? www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htmThe tech bubble might have had more to do with the economic engine of the 90's than President Clinton. Sheer coincidence. The economy was on such auto pilot that the President could have gotten his dick sucked and the economy wouldn't have missed a beat...oh, wait... Which company, which industry? Doubtful that your company had 24% net profits. Maybe you can let me know which industry in this list: money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2009/performers/industries/profits/
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Post by steff on May 7, 2011 23:53:27 GMT -5
cool.... hubby's industry made the list and his company made the top 20 list in its industry..... ;D
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on May 7, 2011 23:55:57 GMT -5
. . o o ("geddit"?)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 0:07:57 GMT -5
What's a righites, any way?
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Post by lakhota on May 8, 2011 0:34:52 GMT -5
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on May 8, 2011 1:10:36 GMT -5
In looking at that graphic, it's clear that war is expensive.
(sigh)
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 8, 2011 1:40:05 GMT -5
Neocons don't need a war...Voodoo is a disaster...and the misled STILL think they're economy experts...
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 8, 2011 10:34:15 GMT -5
Mkitty's Corollary: As more Conservative posters post in a thread, the chances they contradict themselves or each other without disagreement reaches 100%. So, it's part five have your one OR (not both) eat it time. You can't say they're at all time lows AND blame them for shipping so many jobs overseas. And can you do us all a favor? Put down the chapstick and admit a lot of it is just simple greed? You might want to write it down. Wow, and jobs are still being shipped overseas. Of course your statement is pretty vague, so I can't really comment on it. Elections have shown that the citizens favor former entertainers too. All that means is some elections entertainers have won. Big deal. This doesn't seem to be the first time you have "funny" thoughts. No a balanced budget would mean a ZERO increase or decrease (although there's interest). No, the problem is that whatever surplus Clinton got should have been put into the debt instead of letting W. spend it.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 8, 2011 11:37:23 GMT -5
Mkitty's Corollary: As more Conservative posters post in a thread, the chances they contradict themselves or each other without disagreement reaches 100%. Makes sense since a large portion of libs I've seen on this thread can't seem to say anything other than Republicans suck. It makes sense that you will have some contradictory ideas when you have actual ideas.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on May 8, 2011 19:58:16 GMT -5
. . o O (geddit?)
. . o O (rig hites?)
. . o O (neocons?)
. . o O (Voodoo?)
I need some sort of code book to figure out half the posts in this forum these days.... but maybe this is just some sort of nifty secret language.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on May 8, 2011 19:59:02 GMT -5
Or text speak? (I don't text, so I'm not really up on all that OMG stuff)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 20:37:48 GMT -5
It all translates to "Bush sux and conservatives want everybody to die", best I can figure out...
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Post by ed1066 on May 8, 2011 22:50:08 GMT -5
Or text speak? (I don't text, so I'm not really up on all that OMG stuff) Ms Kitty can help you with that, she used to post exclusively in text speak... finally wised up a little
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 8, 2011 23:40:36 GMT -5
Until proven otherwise, that statement sucks. Try a reaction of the non-knee jerk kind with a lot more reality to it. Also, a little less of the po' pitiful me for being criticized would be nice. No it doesn't, lots of sane people with a modicum of intelligence aren't that contradictory. I guess it's too advanced to say my ideas on your contradictory ideas are well, ideas. Oh, and don't, you know, explain or talk about the contradictions or anything. Just keep your deflectors on with some irrelevent and non-sensical attack. Which leads to... Conservatives have contradictory ideas because they attack so much and at every opportunity (even when 2 arguments call for someone or a group of people to be contradictory just to attack them both ways) that you're going to have contradictions. LOL, it was the only to stoop to your level so you could understand, and even then I don't know if I got through.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 8, 2011 23:48:02 GMT -5
Until proven otherwise, that statement sucks. Try a reaction of the non-knee jerk kind with a lot more reality to it. Also, a little less of the po' pitiful me for being criticized would be nice. No it doesn't, lots of sane people with a modicum of intelligence aren't that contradictory. I guess it's too advanced to say my ideas on your contradictory ideas are well, ideas. Oh, and don't, you know, explain or talk about the contradictions or anything. Just keep your deflectors on with some irrelevent and non-sensical attack. Which leads to... Conservatives have contradictory ideas because they attack so much and at every opportunity (even when 2 arguments call for someone or a group of people to be contradictory just to attack them both ways) that you're going to have contradictions. LOL, it was the only to stoop to your level so you could understand, and even then I don't know if I got through. And be sure to report and whine about me even though this and many of your other posts are just personal attacks. Hey, maybe the solo men's free-style hypocritathon will be an Olympic event; you'd be in the running for the gold, though you have some stiff competition from some of your fellow Conservatives.
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Post by ed1066 on May 8, 2011 23:59:54 GMT -5
Until proven otherwise, that statement sucks. Try a reaction of the non-knee jerk kind with a lot more reality to it. Also, a little less of the po' pitiful me for being criticized would be nice. No it doesn't, lots of sane people with a modicum of intelligence aren't that contradictory. I guess it's too advanced to say my ideas on your contradictory ideas are well, ideas. Oh, and don't, you know, explain or talk about the contradictions or anything. Just keep your deflectors on with some irrelevent and non-sensical attack. Which leads to... Conservatives have contradictory ideas because they attack so much and at every opportunity (even when 2 arguments call for someone or a group of people to be contradictory just to attack them both ways) that you're going to have contradictions. LOL, it was the only to stoop to your level so you could understand, and even then I don't know if I got through. And be sure to report and whine about me even though this and many of your other posts are just personal attacks. Hey, maybe the solo men's free-style hypocritathon will be an Olympic event; you'd be in the running for the gold, though you have some stiff competition from some of your fellow Conservatives. On second thought, go back to the text speak, it made you sound smarter...
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 9, 2011 9:22:44 GMT -5
You've had two thoughts? Really? Tell us when you get a third. Only Conservatives seem to be interested in how things seem or sound, not how they really are. That's okay, you've got your memes, routines, buzzwords, and catch phrases to prevent any of that head hurting "thinking." And tsk, tsk, trying to censor what I say by telling me what I should or shouldn't post, eh? Now complain to the mods so we can all have a laugh because you like to do things (like pull the "Wah! they're censoring me!!!!1!") to people and when they do it back to you.
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Post by floridayankee on May 9, 2011 9:34:20 GMT -5
National Debt as a Percent of National IncomeHope that twist and spin doesn't make you dizzy Lak. National debt as a % of GDP has absolutely nothing to do with a "balanced budget".....but you knew this already since it's impossible to have a balanced budget and an increase in national debt at the same time. It's possible to decrease national debt as a percentage of GDP simply by raising GDP a bit more than you increase debt. For people to think this equates to a "balanced budget" is scary.
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Post by billisonboard on May 9, 2011 9:40:03 GMT -5
. . o O (geddit?) . . o O (rig hites?) . . o O (neocons?) . . o O (Voodoo?) I need some sort of code book to figure out half the posts in this forum these days.... but maybe this is just some sort of nifty secret language. OFF TOPIC: I read you were at least thinking about running in the next mod election. I am not sure whether the above makes you a more or a less attractive candidate for the position.
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Post by skweet on May 9, 2011 12:33:57 GMT -5
Labor (and labor unions) do not create wealth any more than a doctor does. They just preform a valuable task. They are an input the same as material, and participate in wealth transfer. The wealth is embedded in inventory of our natural resources, it is not created, just harvested. The investor determines that the reward of harvesting, and packaging the wealth is worth the risk placed on his capital. He finds the wealth, funds operations for (pays laborers) the harvest and packaging. Can you blame him for wanting to reduce his risk by finding cheaper labor? If the investor did not exist, would the laborer, or union fund the extraction of the wealth? If they would, why are they waiting for the investor to pony up his money, and then complaining about how he uses his money?Maybe you pay the highest bid for labor, or the highest price for a product, regardless of it's quality, or much cheaper alternatives, but then again, you likely are not risking the amount of capital that the investors you deride are risking. This is not a rightie or leftie issue, it is simple risk reward. Liberal, conservative, republican, democrat politicians and investors have all determined that trading green pieces of paper to other nations for the wealth that they have harvested from their own geography and packaged at a much cheaper cost than we could package in the US, is beneficial to us. I for one am happy that the rest of the world respects our green pieces of paper so much that they will deplete their natural resources, and trade their wealth for our paper, so that we don't have to deplete our own.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:44:49 GMT -5
How does one create wealth without a transportation system? A communications system? An energy system?
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Post by cme1201 on May 9, 2011 13:02:52 GMT -5
How does one create wealth without a transportation system? - Henry Ford did it with out the help of the federal Government.
A communications system? - Ma Bell did it long before she was declared a monopoly.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 13:05:41 GMT -5
? I'm not sure what you mean? I have been a bit slow today... need to get more sleep...
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Post by cme1201 on May 9, 2011 14:14:25 GMT -5
? I'm not sure what you mean? I have been a bit slow today... need to get more sleep... Transportation, Before there was a department of Transportation, making roads, paving, upkeep, a man named Henry Ford, set out to create wealth, by building the horseless carriage, or automobile as it is know today. He created a product that people found to be usefull and worth there hard earned money. he inturn payed his employee's enough that they were happy to work for him, this was before "government" created a transportation system. Henry Ford (July 30, 1863 – April 7, 1947) The United States Department of Transportation (USDOT or just DOT) is a federal Cabinet department of the United States government concerned with transportation. It was established by an act of Congress on October 15, 1966, and began operation on April 1, 1967. Seems Wealth can and has been created for a long time with out a defined "Transportation" system.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 14:19:58 GMT -5
?? ... Ships, trains, etc. Government was not involved in any of those things? Cars are the only transportation system to ever exist?
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Post by cme1201 on May 9, 2011 14:22:57 GMT -5
?? ... Ships, trains, etc. Government was not involved in any of those things? Cars are the only transportation system to ever exist?
Do some research, long before the government got involved there were people making money WITHOUT government involvement.
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