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Post by marshabar1 on May 5, 2011 12:23:39 GMT -5
Hey! One from me too, SF. ;D
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Post by safeharbor37 on May 5, 2011 12:29:05 GMT -5
I understood that Limbaugh was making an allusion to the common remark, "Kill all the Lawyers.", but transferred it to "liberals." Interpreted "kill" as "get rid of," but sensibly, suggesting that a few be left to serve as bad examples in their academic cocoons. Mallow, on the other hand made reference to an actual assassination of an actual opponent ~ so I don't think the comments are comparable at all. You also have to understand that Limbaugh is almost always [unlike Glenn Beck] comical and doesn't expect his asides to be taken seriously. I'm sure that in 3 hours X 5 days X 52 weeks X however many years Limbaugh's been broadcasting that he's said some pretty stupid stuff [I've heard some] but anyone who's actually listening realizes that he's an entertainer primarily. I've frequently wonder how he doesn't goof up more [the solution to the above equation is approximately 18,000 hours, less vacation, etc.] The real difference is that the group on the outside has more to complain about than those on the inside ~ and the liberals have been, essentially, in control for, now, pushing 100 years, so there is a fairly well organized conservative movement with valid issues. Liberals on the other hand have trouble complaining since they've been running things while all these problems have arisen, been perpetuated and continue ~ so who can they really complain about........Themselves? Well, no, so they have to make up stuff to blame conservatives for and that involves a lot of lying.
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Post by txbo on May 5, 2011 12:32:40 GMT -5
Where or not we should kill all liberals is not the issue. The liberal and radical left have been destroying the country, society, and the middle class since the mid 60s. The conservative segment of society are trying to save it. And live in NJ.
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Post by Shirina on May 5, 2011 12:32:40 GMT -5
Since you're losing the case on the specifics, you've decided to jump to the general, opening up all kinds of logical fallacies that I repeatedly point out ... and yet conservatives continue to use.
This kind of trash talk about liberals is primitive and unenlightened, but, of course, that's the way your conservative task masters want you.
Whenever you folks run out of steam in an argument, there is always the old default "blah blah" rhetoric with the standard "liberals are destroying the country" meme. And it IS a meme.
Oh, and Marshabar, you can post all the teeth-chattering emoticons you wish to. But can you honestly say I'm wrong? When have I ever not provided links and facts when challenged to do so?
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Post by marshabar1 on May 5, 2011 12:34:54 GMT -5
It's not my turn to keep track of what you do. It's the tone that I responded to. With humor. ;D
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Post by floridayankee on May 5, 2011 13:07:25 GMT -5
Since you're losing the case on the specifics, you've decided to jump to the general, opening up all kinds of logical fallacies that I repeatedly point out ... and yet conservatives continue to use.
This kind of trash talk about liberals is primitive and unenlightened, but, of course, that's the way your conservative task masters want you.
Whenever you folks run out of steam in an argument, there is always the old default "blah blah" rhetoric with the standard "liberals are destroying the country" meme. And it IS a meme. This kind of trash talk about conservatives is primitive and unenlightened.....
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Post by Shirina on May 5, 2011 13:08:41 GMT -5
Sure, I guess ... in the same way that being against bigots makes you a bigot against bigots.
I don't think that's quite how it works, but you could use pretzel logic to make it appear that it does.
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Post by ed1066 on May 5, 2011 13:12:39 GMT -5
You nailed it Safe. This type of distinction is important. Malloy was directly calling for the assassination of a specific person, a former president no less. At the very least, he should get a visit from the Secret Service...
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Post by magichat on May 5, 2011 13:19:17 GMT -5
You nailed it Safe. This type of distinction is important. Malloy was directly calling for the assassination of a specific person, a former president no less. At the very least, he should get a visit from the Secret Service... As far as I can tell the law only applies to the President, VP, elect and any successors, not former presidents. www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000871----000-.html
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Post by Shirina on May 5, 2011 13:25:58 GMT -5
"Get rid of" as in ... what ... giving them free vacations to Tahiti? All you really did here is substitute one phrase meaning genocide with another phrase that means genocide.
No, you're right. Mallow wanted to kill one specific person. Limbaugh suggested killing tens of millions. Quite true - not comparable at all.
You may know that. I may know that. Even Limbaugh may know that. But I'm sure you're aware that millions of his fans hang on his every word. Not everyone sees him as a conservative version of Jon Stewart, and since Limbaugh's comment was said only in print, any jocularity was most decidedly lost in translation. People with that kind of following need to be careful about what they say, and that goes for Mallow, too.
I'm certainly not defending Mallow and his comment is a stain on the liberal worldview.
I'm just tired of the hyperbole concerning liberals.
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Post by mmhmm on May 5, 2011 13:26:16 GMT -5
Death wish on a POTUS?? Yeah, someone should be keeping an eye out. Sure his little fans just chuckle at him. I listen to hardcore right radio-- love it-- and they don't wish DEATH on people. O RLY? NEW YORK (Reuters) - A right-wing Internet radio host was sentenced on Tuesday to 33 months in prison for threatening the lives of three Chicago federal appeals court judges after they upheld a local gun control law. Harold Turner, 48, was convicted by a jury in August in Brooklyn federal court following two mistrials. He was arrested in June 2009 and charged with one count of threatening to assault or murder the three judges. Turner used his radio broadcasts to target Judges Frank Easterbrook, Richard Posner and William Bauer of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit in Chicago, who had upheld a local handgun law. He said they had acted in "a manner so sleazy and cunning as to deserve the ultimate punishment." He called for their murder and published their photographs and work addresses online. www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/21/hal-turner-33-months-threats-judges/
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Post by ed1066 on May 5, 2011 13:26:43 GMT -5
You nailed it Safe. This type of distinction is important. Malloy was directly calling for the assassination of a specific person, a former president no less. At the very least, he should get a visit from the Secret Service... As far as I can tell the law only applies to the President, VP, elect and any successors, not former presidents. www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000871----000-.htmlIt's illegal to make death threats against anyone. I only mention the Secret Service because they are in charge of the protection of former presidents...
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Post by floridayankee on May 5, 2011 13:27:09 GMT -5
Sure, I guess ... in the same way that being against bigots makes you a bigot against bigots.
I don't think that's quite how it works, but you could use pretzel logic to make it appear that it does. So it's not primitive and unenlightened when a liberal trash talks conservatives...only the other way around? And it's pretzel logic to point out the hypocrisy of making that statement amid a bunch of your own trash talk? ETA: Why people don't simply say "yup...this guy's a dumbazz all right" instead of attempting to justify this kind of BS by pointing at the idiots on "the other side" is beyond me. Attempting to paint the entire left or the entire right with one broad stroke of the brush childish and, quite frankly, getting pretty old.
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Post by magichat on May 5, 2011 13:30:45 GMT -5
It's illegal to make death threats against anyone. I only mention the Secret Service because they are in charge of the protection of former presidents... The quote in the OP is not a death threat and Bush only gets 10 years of SS protection.
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Post by mmhmm on May 5, 2011 13:38:56 GMT -5
I don't care which side of the political fence someone is occupying, this kind of garbage remains garbage. It comes from those who are looking to inflame those who are easily inflamed, both pro and con. Anybody who pays it a bit of mind doesn't have the sense God gave a grape.
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Post by Shirina on May 5, 2011 13:39:42 GMT -5
Yes, you pretty much have a handle on the situation.
The difference is that, while I might fail to resist a pot shot or two at conservatives now and again, I know when I do it that I'm not always living up to my own standards. There is an awareness of my own shortcomings (if you wish to actually call them that).
But I don't think that some of the conservatives on here are just taking pot shots. They believe what they're saying. So when I see posts about how "liberals are destroying the country" or how "liberals are the greatest threat our nation has ever faced" and other similar hyperbolic garbage, it's not a twinge of sarcasm, but it's what they really think!
That is the HUGE difference between what I do and what they do.
I wouldn't "trash talk" (LOL! And I've been very mild) conservatives if I didn't log on to see all of these liberal-bashing threads like "The intolerant left at it again" or the one entitled "Nazism, Fascism ..." blathering about how the left is obsessed with Hitler or my personal favorite (which thankfully slid off the front page): "Why we hate liberals."
Do you actually expect magnanimous and civil behavior from me 100% of the time when confronted with such tripe?
Oh, I know ... yes, the liberals do it too, I get it. However, the liberals don't do it in anywhere near the same profusion as the conservatives do. Not by a long shot.
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Post by Shirina on May 5, 2011 13:47:02 GMT -5
I'll tell you exactly why:
^^ And two people gave the author of that one a karma point ^^
Now, if there hadn't been all of these over the top statements about liberals in general, I would've been happy to come in here and denounce the man.
But ...
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Post by ed1066 on May 5, 2011 13:47:48 GMT -5
Is it you or your evil twin who gets her panties in a knot every time someone purports to "know what liberals think"?
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Post by Shirina on May 5, 2011 13:51:29 GMT -5
When a conservative says "liberals are destroying the country," perhaps it is some kind of code for, "I love petting fluffy kittens in the park."
Or it could mean that he thinks, "liberals are destroying the country."
I'm not telling anyone what they think. I'm telling you what they are actually SAYING.
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Post by floridayankee on May 5, 2011 14:22:32 GMT -5
Yes, you pretty much have a handle on the situation. The difference is that, while I might fail to resist a pot shot or two at conservatives now and again, I know when I do it that I'm not always living up to my own standards. There is an awareness of my own shortcomings (if you wish to actually call them that). Karma for your honesty...when I get it back. And, yes, I do the same at times, but it's usually done tongue-in-cheek. I doubt that they "really" think that way. IMHO, you're being trolled for a reaction and they're getting it. Both sides have posters here that do this on a regular basis. The key is to recognize who they are (really, it's not that difficult) and avoid taking their bait. No...Not really. I saw all that. Sort of highlights the complete uselessness of karma, doesn't it? I never say "liberals are destroying the country," because I hate petting fluffy kittens in the park.
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Post by ed1066 on May 5, 2011 14:30:50 GMT -5
Yeah, ok...
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Post by deziloooooo on May 5, 2011 14:35:14 GMT -5
Of course no one seemed to mind when Limbaugh made the comment, "Don't kill all the liberals. Save enough to put two in every college campus in the country as a reminder to history of what they stood for." (paraphrased) I can only assume that the "violent left" doesn't listen much to violent left-wing radio or the "ratings wouldn't be in the toilet." The right, however, seems to "enjoy this kind of rhetoric" since talk of killing people hasn't reduced Limbaugh's ratings any. Since you "paraphrased" and provided no links, I'm guessing you made all that up...now if you can provide a link to Limbaugh saying "don't kill all the liberals" (which doesn't really help your case), let's see it. If he said "kill all the liberals", that would be violent, but you yourself paraphrased him as saying " don't kill all the liberals" so I'm not sure where you are going with this... So I take it ed , to have you ever post something along the lines of , "" Not at all dez, can't stand those cons any more then those libs you can't listen to, , in fact I can't last more then 1 hour with mine"." just never going to happen? {sigh } , to bad, I was holding out hope but , oh well, and on we go with your jabber..and response to it,
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2011 16:43:59 GMT -5
Since someone on the left said it, it must be PC, right?
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Post by EVT1 on May 5, 2011 17:30:44 GMT -5
Bush is a waste of time- they should practice on wall street. I wonder how long it would take a seal team to clear out Goldman Sachs?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2011 22:33:35 GMT -5
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Post by SweetVirginia on May 5, 2011 23:25:51 GMT -5
Where or not we should kill all liberals is not the issue. The liberal and radical left have been destroying the country, society, and the middle class since the mid 60s. The conservative segment of society are trying to save it.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 9:28:23 GMT -5
He never shuts up.............
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Post by Opti on May 6, 2011 9:55:55 GMT -5
Bush is a waste of time- they should practice on wall street. I wonder how long it would take a seal team to clear out Goldman Sachs? Sad but true. Targeting Goldman Sachs probably would improve the economy.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 6, 2011 12:09:19 GMT -5
Uh, no. Funny how Conservatives will praise Limbaugh and Beck until something comes under scrutiny, then it's time to whip out the old "they're comedians/ only joking!" plea. They're not John Stewart and their not Steven Colbert either, but ... They're a good example of the application of Poe's law: Poe's Law is an axiom suggesting that it's difficult to distinguish between parodies of religious fundamentalism (or, more generally, parodies of any crackpot or extremist belief) and genuine proponents of religious fundamentalism, since they both seem equally insane. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_LawThey're so extreme that they seem like self parodies, hence it is easy to think of them as humorous. What dimension are you talking about? I remember when The White House and Congress were controlled by Conservatives. And if you really want to go that route, then they've been in control because they've been elected to do so. That must mean the Conservatives have been the poorer choice most of those years. It's kind of hard to fool people 50 elections in a row. LOL, the party of millionaires and billionaires who have dozens of lobbyists and who, more importantly, shun the poor and disadvantaged, are real outsiders all right. Oh, those poor rich people! . I imagine it was really hard to nail that elephant to the cross, BTW. Not only is that a Pot (meet kettle) moment, but it's also a Poe moment.
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