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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 29, 2010 18:01:33 GMT -5
She goes on a shakedown cruise every now and then to get the kinks out after all this lady is old, but looks good for her age the last time I checked her out 2003..
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 29, 2010 19:16:26 GMT -5
The cruise is a trip around Boston harbor, not under sail, her sails, if any left, doubt it, is a tow by a tug, celebs usually invited aboard, idea and reason for the sail is so she will weather on all sides, 1000's turn out to see her, on the shore or by boat. I was priivaledged to watch from shore , was coming down from Maine, something to see. I did a visit years ago when my kids were young..have pictures of them at the wheel, a sailor in period costume was next to them . I don't remember marines on board but a long time ago, wonder if they were dressed in present day uniforms or period. I remember the big guns , many were on the dock, rather then in board, possible for less strain on the timbers , more room for tourist to move around. I remember the smallness of the officers quarters and the Captains quarters were also not large, think his bed was one that went with the motion of the sea and I couldn't get over how it must have been to have to climb that rigging and handle water stiffened canvas under sail. I believe one of the sayings was one hand for the ship, the other for your self , something like that, and the size and weight of the cannon, I believe their biggest were 24 lb's not counting the Carronades, largest, on slides I believe, not on gun carriages , short range, think called smashers in slang. As was said these were smaller people at the time and even with ropes and pullies to move those cannon into position after being fired , under fire from close range, the size and weight of..hard to imagine.
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Post by alex2 on Dec 29, 2010 21:27:33 GMT -5
RDT My Husband was one of only 12 men that the Navy allowed to be interred in the USS Arizona that had not perished the day of the attack. Navy Seals brought his ashes down into the Arizona. several years ago. There is a seperate plaque near the the names of the, I believe apx 1,000 men still in the ship that lists the twelve. Frank was spared because he was between the dock and the Arizona on his way to 7 O'clock mass on shore When the Japanese attacked. He later saw battle in the Solomons and later a Navy Pilot. We would laugh because they ran into an MP shack on the Dock made of plywood. And then of course the stories got a lot sadder. There is something special about the Navy and many of those who have served. And my favorite Beer is an Ale "killians Red" ps: before someone ask's yes I was a much younger wife to a Great Guy.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 29, 2010 21:56:44 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing alex2 and hope you have the time to read some of the old sea stories here..Your Navy guy's generation were a very special bred of guys who did some extraordinary things under horrific conditions but he is with his old old ship mates on eternal patrol
Naval History is a fascinating study and if our Navy didn't have two of it's carriers at Sea when Pearl Harbor was bombed; the Pacific War would have been a different story.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Dec 30, 2010 15:03:33 GMT -5
It would have changed the world completely. Millions more would have perished. Most of the world would be speaking German or Japanese.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 30, 2010 15:59:11 GMT -5
"Me No VC, Gyrene !"
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 30, 2010 16:11:21 GMT -5
Peaceful But Changed For The Worst In @ 4 Years during Tet at Hue, Da Nang, & Khe Sanh...it was so bad Nixon began in 1969 to look for a way to get out of Dodge..
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Post by warsaw (banned) on Dec 30, 2010 16:58:02 GMT -5
I'm still very anti-Nixon- sure did take a while to get out of there- his cynical "secret plan" was just a way to get elected. IMHO LBJ was just sickened by the realization the war couldn't be won w/o killing ALL the Vietnamese.
Meanwhile back at Hobart College, I was a freshman...
Cambodia and Kent State. I went to the classic Twin Oaks college bar for a burger and Walter Cronkite was on with the CBS News. The place was transfixed watching the parents of the kids killed at K State, and I was a changed 19 year old. They were crying and so was I, just about. Up till then I was willing to go along with Nixon, going into Cambodia after the Viet Cong was a good idea, etc….but THIS!! So that night the whole college was at at the gym to see one of the Chicago 8, David HarrisI believe, and then the college went on strike, and I was off on a tour of NE colleges and Hotchkiss friends, and the big protest at D.C., in my beautiful red Campmobile with the “Strike the War Machine” with the fist sticker on my door… Then there was the Hobart-ARMY lacrosse game at West Point on ARMED FORCES DAY LOL! We were as hippie as possible and it was pretty funny. They had 150 MPs surrounding the field LOL! The guy across from us on Bartlett one (son of McDonnell Douglas, cousin of famous Colts LB Mike Curtis I TALKED to on the phone TYVM, crazy black belt and frosh Lax goalie) was our second goalie (only time this was ever done)- he was left handed see . The year before Army had beaten us 29-4, and we held them to 13-8, so it was a success all round…and I believe the Army types came away with more respect for us very nice and sincere anti-war types… At the end of the Spring Hobart captured the FBI agent provocateur in a near riot LOL. (He got 2 freshman to firebomb the ROTC building!), was the head of SDS in Upstate NY, an FBI guy!...
But please remember I always admired and respected our servicemen. I think those who didn't were in SF and/or were WAY off. Thank you again for your service.
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Post by warsaw (banned) on Dec 30, 2010 17:10:38 GMT -5
I tried to join the Navy in 1978 but was too old for Officer training.
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Post by warsaw (banned) on Dec 30, 2010 17:21:59 GMT -5
My naval ambitions are to see the Olympia and the New Jersey, the Constitution and the Constellation, and getas close as possible to the SS United States on the Ocean Liner front, and HMS Warrior and Victory on the foreign naval side...preferably by QM2. TYVM
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 30, 2010 22:54:45 GMT -5
THE MARINE CORPS WAR MEMORIAL The Marine Corps War Memorial stands as a symbol of this grateful Nation’s esteem for the honored dead of the U.S. Marine Corps. While the statue depicts one of the most iconic photos of World War II, the memorial is dedicated to all Marines who have given their lives in the defense of the United States, since 1775.
The Marine Corps War Memorial depicts the raising of the American flag at Mount Suribachi on 23 February 1945 by U.S. Marines in World War II during the Battle of Iwo Jima.
The monument is located in Arlington, Virginia on a 7½-acre tract of land managed by the Department of the Interior. The site is on a hill approximately 100 feet above the Potomac River, and offers a scenic view of the Nation’s capital.
Iwo Jima, which means Sulfur Island, was strategically important as an air base for fighter escorts supporting long-range bombing missions against mainland Japan. Because of the distance between mainland Japan and U.S. bases in the Mariana Islands, the capture of Iwo Jima would provide an emergency landing strip for crippled B-29 planes returning from bombing runs. The seizure of Iwo would allow for sea and air blockades, the ability to conduct intensive air bombardment and to destroy the enemy's air and naval capabilities. The seizure of Iwo Jima was deemed necessary, but the prize would not come easy. The fighting that took place during the 36-day assault would be immortalized in the words of Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, who said, "Among the Americans who served on Iwo Island, uncommon valor was a common virtue."
On the morning of 19 February 1945, the 4th and 5th Marine Divisions invaded the Island of Iwo Jima as part of General MacArthur’s “island hopping” campaign. The small island lies 660 miles south of Tokyo, Japan.
The 28th Regiment of the 5th Marine Division was ordered to capture the extinct volcano on the southern tip of the island named Mount Suribachi. The Marines reached the base of the volcano on the afternoon of 21 February and by nightfall of the next day, the Marines had the mountain surrounded.
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 30, 2010 23:24:56 GMT -5
Clint Eastwoods two recent movies , one from the American side, the other from the Japanese side , very desturbing for me the first time I watched them..I just bought them from a bin of $5 dvd's at Wal Mart , and when in the mood , plan to rewatch them again. I am not a fan of war movies any more at all, though I also pickd up a DVD that had like 16 War movies on them , most are B movies but U wanted the one , "Go for Broke", Van Johnson starred in it.. history of the 442 nd Nisi regimental combat ...knew a friend who's father served in it.. Band of brothers I could relate to, out standing, but the Pacific..had a hard time with, not sure why. I had recently watched a oral history on c span, a medal winnner of a American Japanese heritage soldier , his histoty which was the history of the unit, how they rescued a Texas National Guard unit cut off, the casualties they took, where he won the medal, and survived naturally, what they went through, the prejudice of the times, how they were used..facinaing, I was up till 3 AM watching it.
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Post by Sammy on Dec 30, 2010 23:50:40 GMT -5
Old Iron Sides does a turn around every summer. At one time navy men who injured and were not read for active duty, but able to work, were assigned to the Constitution. The ships officers were Marines.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 31, 2010 0:06:04 GMT -5
Old Iron Sides does a turn around every summer. At one time navy men who injured and were not read for active duty, but able to work, were assigned to the Constitution. The ships officers were Marines. Well when you want the best you gotta go with the Marines..just saying of course without the less bit of bias BTW Peq how did you know that factoid
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 31, 2010 1:39:26 GMT -5
Mama & Daughter Team...I guess?
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Post by lakhota on Dec 31, 2010 13:24:22 GMT -5
Why is this thread on the P&M board?
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Post by domeasingold on Dec 31, 2010 13:39:17 GMT -5
My father was on a carrier in the Pacific and Atlantic during WWII. It was the first escort carrier commissioned by Roosevelt himself. They ferried the first squadrons of Marine aircraft to the cactus airforce. He was a quartermaster on the bridge so he witnessed a lot. Secondly my wifes father was a Marine who was an armorer for PBJ's(B-25's) ending up on Iwo Jima. Me I ended up an Army Aviator during the Vietnam War. Wish I could of been a Marine Aviator. By the time I was finished I didn't care what branch I served wth.
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Post by domeasingold on Dec 31, 2010 14:00:05 GMT -5
Do you know what squadron or unit he was with?
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 31, 2010 14:21:50 GMT -5
Why is this thread on the P&M board? I started it but see where you are coming from and maybe should be moved to EE Board and waiting to hear back....and others want it deleted entirely and for me to start a Message Boad for Veterans and get off this message board which I think is being considered so hang in there for a few more days until the Powers To Be make a ruling ok
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 31, 2010 14:34:58 GMT -5
The only thing I did at Roosevelt Roads in Vieques is watch outdoor movies sitiing on a bucket and try to crash the Navy SB Club ...and was exited out the door..
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 31, 2010 14:45:44 GMT -5
Ratchets you image exceeds the size limits and bombed I think?? I had the same problems
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 31, 2010 15:17:06 GMT -5
I don't mind this site here..military, a branch of..political?...large expendatures..markets? works for me. Seperate thread / Message board for..? Those just not interested in this one, just skip it as many threads are of no interestt to me personally, usually over at EE, nothing wrong with them but just going in casually have hard time picking up and feeling of intruding in..
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Post by warsaw (banned) on Dec 31, 2010 15:24:13 GMT -5
I hope this stays here...EVERYTHING is Politics! Ican't get any pictures on here yet....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2010 15:52:07 GMT -5
My father-in-law served on the Roosevelt at the end of WW2 and one deployment to Korea. I have several hundred pictures that he took while at sea. He passed away March, 2009. I still kid my mom-in-law about marrying a sailor. She still turns red, even at 80 years old.
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 31, 2010 16:03:14 GMT -5
Not knowing the reason for and why..just wondering why a ship can /class can be retired from US service , such as the class in #24 post, yet be fine for another nations service. Granted new is better, yet with the cost, the ability to refit and modernize, the enemies we face today, why not keep these vessels in service up dated and modernized which even with high cost of doing so, still much cheaper then a whole new class. I m thinking of Carriers, Battleships, B-52 bombers, their life in service. Just wondering..Yes i do question military expendatures..probably the least efficient way to spend $ in the world and the waste and over runs are just embarressing to say the least and definitly nuts...
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 31, 2010 18:45:50 GMT -5
Here you go Ratchets: I was reporting for guard duty at midnight on a Wednesday. I knew that there was no real point of guarding the ship for couple of reasons. One, who would want to steal a forty year old wooden minesweeper and two, everyone knew that the communists wouldn’t attack on a Wednesday. But none the less, I had sworn to lay down my life for country so there I was. The two guys that I was relieving informed me that they had figured out that there were more E5's on board than any other pay grade so we should be in charge. And, since I was the senior E5, that I should be the new Captain. One of the guys was the second most senior, so he would be the Executive Officer. We then proceeded to give new and better jobs to all the other E5's based either on their job or personality. After doing that, we realized that those that were losing their jobs needed new but alas not quite as good ones. As we continued to do this, we started to get confused so someone grabbed a notepad to write it down. (Are you shaking your head yet? It gets worse!) After finishing that task, the other two headed off to bed, er bunk. Since I had nothing better to do, remember it was a Wednesday night, I wrote out some of my Captain's Standing Orders. One that I remember was something like: "Whenever the ship is underway, fishing will be allowed from the fantail; however the Captain reserves the right to confiscate the largest fish and claim he caught it." The next morning I showed the standing orders to the other two. They took them and starting showing them and the jobs list to other E5's. The ship's gunners mate from Arkansas, who will forever be known in my mind as "that stupid hillbilly" thought they were so great that he took them up to his little office and -- are you ready for this -- typed them up. AND made copies of it all. AND left them all over the ship. With MY name at the time! Needless to say, the "other" Captain wasn't impressed with my Standing Orders or, to be honest, me. He did underestimate my knowledge of being a good commander because I did the only thing I could do in that position. With his and my history in mind, I sent my Executive Officer to talk to him. My XO reported back that mutiny charges where being considered. Shortly thereafter, an "All Hands on Deck" was called, the E5's were lined up, the Captain announced that we were being tried for mutiny, he read the documents, announced - through clinched jaw - that we needed humor like that once in a while to keep things from getting too tense on the ship, and dismissed the crew.
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 31, 2010 19:41:47 GMT -5
Just a thought , I can't see what's wrong about where this thread is placed.
Your right up front, believe you will get a good reading, especially for the newbies who come on board..actually like it before it became a sub issue even better then here.
Both seem good, but either this or that, seemed it was prominent rather then mixed in a long list of politicals.
Really not a political if you think about it, stretching it really, and EE would be a mistake..my opinion, doubt much seriouse interest there..Just a thought.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 31, 2010 20:36:44 GMT -5
My father-in-law served on the Roosevelt at the end of WW2 and one deployment to Korea. I have several hundred pictures that he took while at sea. He passed away March, 2009. I still kid my mom-in-law about marrying a sailor. She still turns red, even at 80 years old. jma 23 why not scan and copy your Navy Photos here since we got the Ok to have this thread ..let me know if I can help because if any pics are not the required size they will not download here...as I have been learning.. During the Korean War the Navy had Panther Jets that were awesome planes and their miisions did a lot of damage to the North Koreans and Chinese railroads, roads, installations and troop movements along her highways in North Korea to keep them from a massive assault against our troops along the 38Th Parallel
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Dec 31, 2010 21:25:22 GMT -5
"The Grinder & Iwo Jima Memorial " Parris Island South Carolina
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 31, 2010 22:39:29 GMT -5
"I'm sorry man, but you haven't really won any sympathy on your case..." From a career military man, I am , just that you didn't see the humor. ;D
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