Illegal to grow your own food...

[ty]

House to pass S.510 hiding it in HR 3082 and HR 1755!

[Shirina]

First Video: I have a hard time taking anyone seriously when they complain about corporatism while constantly flashing his phone number and website beneath the interview so you can run off and buy his products.

Of course, the whole business about how people are "going to have to rise up and take these people out of office" didn't help, either.

The rest I'll watch later, as well as look at the actual legislation. I don't want to be blindsided by another "census takers can now enter your apartment even when you're not there" misinterpretation of the law.

[handyman2]

Not something I will worry about. Would have about as much success as confiscating all citizens guns.

[Deleted]

Only if Monsanto gets its way...

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

Uh oh. I've got tomatoes in my backyard!!

[steff]

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[Deleted]

If I couldn't trade my tomatoes for my neighbors delicious cherry pies I would be extremely annoyed.

[steff]

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[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 1, 2011 0:48:32 GMT -5 steff said:

It's talking about in farmer's markets, roadside fruit & veggie stands, etc. Not trading something with your neighbor.

Stiffle competition, protect government-sanctioned monopolies. As a liberal-- and I'm asking you a serious question here-- are you "OK" with this in either case? Don't you have to draw the line somewhere? Is there a point at which even liberals have to say, "The government can come this far, but no farther?"

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

Every summer, as soon as we leave our home, someone from the neighborhood drops a bag or box of zucchini on our front porch. Seriously, it happens 8-10 times EVERY summer. (Apparently it grows really well around here, and I foolishly mentioned to friends, neighbors, church members and on Facebook that I liked zucchini.)

Perhaps this law will help prevent further acts of zucchini vandalism this summer! ;D ;D ;D

[straydog]

May 1, 2011 0:11:43 GMT -5 oped said:

Only if Monsanto gets its way...

Agreed. Article:

"Do You Know Where Your Seeds Come From? You May Be Surprised"

www.countrysidemag.com/issues/90/90-2/Jerri_Cook.html

[henryclay]

On my computer OP is an empty screen except for some advertising on the rightt half. So I had to look up S 510. What I found was tytpical Reid/Pelosi, and I sure don't understand the Republicans that took part in it.

If has been run through all the way as a midnight law. For some reason it has never seen th light of day.

Then Ifound out why.

It is backed by big Ag business. It is considered a "health" bill "because" It will stop salmanella in it's tracks. Gime a break. Every food bill in the last thirty years was supposed to do that.

But nobody wants to debate the details. The details are that it will put mom and pop farms out of business. It will kill farmer's markets. It will remove farmers in their vegetables from the roadside. There will be no more signs for blackberries, "cheaper if you pick your own". Watermelon stands? Forget it. There won't be any.

But Tyson Foods and Armour Beef, and Mexican farmers will keep right on chugging along, and salmonella will not be stopped. Just your small, local farmer, trying to scratch out a living will be gone.

soulsecretservice.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/december-8-update-on-s510/

[reasonfreedom]

May 1, 2011 8:08:51 GMT -5 henryclay said:

On my computer OP is an empty screen except for some advertising on the rightt half. So I had to look up S 510. What I found was tytpical Reid/Pelosi, and I sure don't understand the Republicans that took part in it.

If has been run through all the way as a midnight law. For some reason it has never seen th light of day.

Then Ifound out why.

It is backed by big Ag business. It is considered a "health" bill "because" It will stop salmanella in it's tracks. Gime a break. Every food bill in the last thirty years was supposed to do that.

But nobody wants to debate the details. The details are that it will put mom and pop farms out of business. It will kill farmer's markets. It will remove farmers in their vegetables from the roadside. There will be no more signs for blackberries, "cheaper if you pick your own". Watermelon stands? Forget it. There won't be any.

But Tyson Foods and Armour Beef, and Mexican farmers will keep right on chugging along, and salmonella will not be stopped. Just your small, local farmer, trying to scratch out a living will be gone.

soulsecretservice.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/december-8-update-on-s510/

Yeah, I think a lot of the huge cases of salmonella over the past few years came from peanut factories and huge producers which were supposed to be inspected by the FDA. I think that salmonella excuse is just completely stupid. For centuries people have been trading food. To think congress can pass a bill on food or water is ridiculous, they can't even keep city water clean with all of the chemicals that comes with that.

[Deleted]

Well... on S510, Snopes says... mostly false www.snopes.com/politics/business/organic.asp (When i look something up, and one of the major search suggestions is that thing with hoax.... i take notice...)

[henryclay]

oped, I believe you said recently that you don't always read other people's links, but my goodness I'd have thought you read your own links.

First, your link doesn't address S510. It starts right out addressing HR 875 and S425, which are different breeds of cat altogether.

But there is a connection, and it has taken at least 2 years to have some HR 875 and S425 provisions morph into S510. But they did morph, and apparently still have the original provisions. From your link we get this: (Emphasis is mine)

On February 4, 2009 Representative Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) introduced the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 (HR 875), a bill that would establish the Food Safety Administration (FSA) within the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS). HR 875 represents a tremendous expansion of federal power, particularly the power to regulate intrastate commerce. While the proposed legislation tries to address the many problems of the industrial food system, the impact on small farms if the bill becomes law would be substantial and not for the better. HR 875 is a major threat to sustainable farming and the local food movement. [Click here for the text: PDF or MS Word or HTML]

The bill would transfer the functions and resources of several divisions within the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), such as the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition (CFSAN) and the Center for Veterinary Medicine into FSA. The National Marine Fisheries Service in the Department of Commerce would be transferred over to FSA as well. [Section 102(b)]

Under HR 875 the FSA, among other responsibilities, is charged to regulate food safety and labeling [Section 2(1)(A)] and to “lead an integrated, system-wide approach to food safety and to make more effective and efficient use of resources to prevent foodborne illness” [Section 2(1)(C)]. Other purposes of the Act are to modernize and strengthen federal food safety law and “to establish that food establishments have responsibility to ensure that all stages of production, processing, and distribution of their products or products under their control satisfy the requirements” of federal food safety law[Section 2(3),(4)]. Under the bill, farms are designated as ‘food production facilities’ [Section 3(14)]. Farms are also subject to all laws in the Act applying to food establishments except that they do not have to register with the FSA as most other food establishments are required to do [Section 3(13)(b)]. A “food establishment”, according to the bill, means “a slaughterhouse (except those regulated under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or the Poultry Products Inspection Act), factory, warehouse, or facility owned or operated by a person located in any State that processes food or a facility that holds, stores, or transports food or food ingredients” [Section 3(13)(A)].

[ty]

www.monsanto.com/food-inc/Pages/default.aspx

Food, Inc. Movie [available through Netflix]

"Thank you for the opportunity to talk with you about the issues the film Food, Inc. raised regarding Monsanto.

The film highlights important topics. We certainly agree we must have safe food for our families, we have families, too. We should know where our food comes from.

We’ve heard from a number of you who have seen the film during the past several months. You have questions about Monsanto, our business practices, the safety of our products, and our relationship with farmers – who are essential not only to our business success but to global food security in the future – and we’re answering them.

These pages are intended to answer those questions and provide additional information not provided by the film, so you have a more complete picture of what we do and what we are working to accomplish in the years ahead."


In the film Food, Inc, Monsanto a seed manufacturing company has now taken over a lot of armers lands and ruined them. They even go as far as spilling their seeds on farmers crops just so they an sue the farmers and force them to pay up or destroy their farm produce.

This isn't just for farmers, but for anyone that wants to grow vegetables and fruits in their own back yards. it's about greed, and forcing people to buy produce from the seed manufacturing companies that now have all rights to their seeds you buy.

This will not only affect the farmers or food growers, but also the floral industry as Monsantos is taking over that industry as well.

Great film to watch, a little boring at the beginning but it does deliver the message loud and clear that America is destined to fall and fall hard.

As Toronto Canada is the first policed city in Canada, it's beginning to happen here in America as well, and the police will have the authority to go into your home and evaluate what you have and own in food or electronic devices.
Yes farmers need to worry, but the average homeowner is not exempt from this as well.

[Deleted]

It isn't just Food Inc. I just saw that a few months ago... I've been anti-Monsanto for a LONG time... the fact is, they are genetically modifying seed with they pattent. It is the first time ever food it patented... and their seed has been shown to go in and overtake natural food seed... invasively driving out natural foods... if we don't stop them, and as they take over more and more genetically modified foods... they can kill our entire natural food system, and replace it with one where they own all the seeds...

I am not a normal 'conspiracy theorist'... but this is one area i see real danger..

[ty]

May 1, 2011 10:27:34 GMT -5 oped said:

It isn't just Food Inc. I just saw that a few months ago... I've been anti-Monsanto for a LONG time... the fact is, they are genetically modifying seed with they pattent. It is the first time ever food it patented... and their seed has been shown to go in and overtake natural food seed... invasively driving out natural foods... if we don't stop them, and as they take over more and more genetically modified foods... they can kill our entire natural food system, and replace it with one where they own all the seeds...

I am not a normal 'conspiracy theorist'... but this is one area i see real danger..

A lot of people should be worried about this company. They think it just affect farmers, but it actually affects the food on your table and in the market you buy from.

[ty]

May 1, 2011 10:33:45 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

May 1, 2011 0:29:35 GMT -5 steff said:

It doesn't ban growing your own veggies for your own consumption.... it stops you from being able to trade or sell what you grow.

So basically that would stop the Farmers Markets?
I can see it now....Black market on food trading/selling.

lol, the Food Mafia. To sell your food you must pay them a cut of the proceeds.

[Deleted]

I've been anti-Monsanto for a LONG time... the fact is, they are genetically modifying seed with they patent. It is the first time ever food it patented... and their seed has been shown to go in and overtake natural food seed... incisively driving out natural foods... if we don't stop them, and as they take over more and more genetically modified foods... they can kill our entire natural food system, and replace it with one where they own all the seeds...

Wouldn't their plan work ONLY if their seeds produced better plants & better vegetables than nature produces?

[Deleted]

Insanity. Could I please sign a waiver? I will take my chances with the salmonella in return.

[Deleted]

May 1, 2011 11:29:15 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

I've been anti-Monsanto for a LONG time... the fact is, they are genetically modifying seed with they patent. It is the first time ever food it patented... and their seed has been shown to go in and overtake natural food seed... incisively driving out natural foods... if we don't stop them, and as they take over more and more genetically modified foods... they can kill our entire natural food system, and replace it with one where they own all the seeds...

Wouldn't their plan work ONLY if their seeds produced better plants & better vegetables than nature produces?

That depends on what you consider better. I'm sure in their case better=more ,longer shelf life, prettier . For the consumer that does not always equate with better. I would take a slightly bruised, freshly picked from the farmers market anyday. Vitamins and flavor is lost in produce soon after it's picked. Creepy to think we could be eating blobs that resemble fruit.

[shelby]

"Stifle competition, protect government-sanctioned monopolies. As a liberal-- and I'm asking you a serious question here-- are you "OK" with this in either case? Don't you have to draw the line somewhere? Is there a point at which even liberals have to say, "The government can come this far, but no farther?"

I have never read any liberal handbook or guide to thinking and I do consider myself liberal but this is the exact opposite of what I want as a liberal. In fact this is my worst fear, stifled competition and monopolies are certainly not a liberal or democrat agenda. Monsanto is not a government entity anyways, sounds to me like they are being given a bigger leash and unchecked power instead of being reigned in like libs would want. Like I have been saying for along time a concentration of power in industry or by individuals is extremely dangerous. Controlling the food supply is dangerous and should not be allowed to happen. So what can we do about this? as I understand it is almost impossible to boycott Monsanto since just about all our food comes from them in one way or another.

[Deleted]

This is an OLD proposal... and it really didn't do anything that people suggested it did... and anything remotely controversial appears to have been stripped... i actually can't find much new on it... would appreciate NEW links if anyone had them (print source better that i can track) ... but in 09 it had some action, something passed the senate, but never became law... there was suggestion that only one part of one provision moved on? ... I don't think its likely to happen...

I think the intent... couched as it might have been... was to be able to track an outbreak if one happened...

[marshabar1]

Could someone summarize the video content?

[Deleted]

The deal as I see it IS--- lots of anti-gov't people and websites, etc. advocate growing your own, how to survive in a bad situation, etc. Basically- how to make yourself and family independent of gov't. If the gov't can control the food source, the gov't THINKS they can control the people. MANY people think there is a major collapse coming-- I sure hope they are wrong-- and that there will be widespread rebellion. IF the gov't can determine life or death of people by controlling whether or not they have food....... see what I'm saying??

[steff]

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[Deleted]

Make your own lids. But don't let em catch ya!

[txbo]

I will never understand why so many believe in the most outlandish conspiracy theory’s going around. Just because some self-serving moron proposes, a bill does not mean it will ever see the light of day. I have all ways lived by the saying if it sounds too good to be true it is. The same applies to everything else if it sounds too far out to be true it is.

[steff]

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