Speaking of TLC

[ChiTownVenture]

Dec 30, 2010 16:47:02 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

I am not a fan of Palin in any way, but the fact that she has a show on TLC? who cares? As I pointed out, many other politicians had similar entertainment ventures

Ya look how well it worked out for Jerry Springer.

[NastyWoman]

"I kind of think this is an indicator that she has no plans to run for president."

I think she is just crazy enough to appeal to the "average American" and might actually have a go at it.

[Deleted]

Palin has no shot at President, I think it would be a travesty to hire her frankly, if people complain about Obama's experience....Palin even has less than that, and its obvious she's not exactly intellectually curious.

[floridayankee]

Dec 30, 2010 16:53:40 GMT -5 ChiTownVenture said:

I'll hold my opinion until his kids are grown up and supporting themselves. It's one thing to support 19 kids, it's another to support 19 families.

Why? What do his kids supporting themselves have to do with him? I think a guy committed to supporting his family is a good thing.

[ChiTownVenture]

What do his kids supporting themselves have to do with him?

It's an indicator of what kind of parent he is and how well he raised his kids. It's one thing to just have kids, it's another to raise kids that can take care of themselves.

Would you consider him a success if all his kids ended up on welfare?

[floridayankee]

Jan 5, 2011 12:02:31 GMT -5 ChiTownVenture said:

What do his kids supporting themselves have to do with him?

Would you consider him a success if all his kids ended up on welfare?

Let me answer with a couple questions....

At what point are the kids responsible for their own lives?

Are all parents of current welfare recipients bad / unsuccessful parents?

[ChiTownVenture]

At what point are the kids responsible for their own lives?

When a child becomes legal age they are responsible for their own lives, but the parents are to credit for the values instilled in them for the duration of their life.

Are all parents of current welfare recipients bad / unsuccessful parents?

Parents of 10+ children living on welfare are unsuccessful parents, IMO.

Again I will hold my opinion of how well they did until their children are grown up supporting themselves.

[steff]

Several things to point out.... first, the oldest son is supporting his own family already. second oldest son already has his own towing company and can support himself. The girls are not allowed to hold jobs or work outside the home. Due to their hard core religious beliefs (conviently left off the show), the girls will not be allowed to leave their parents home until a husband is found for them by their parents.

Only the boys are allowed to work and again, because of their religious beliefs, it's highly encouraged that they have their own business of some sorts and not work for someone else. None of the children are encouraged to attend college or join the military because it goes against their religious beliefs. They are Gothards....for a good chuckle & OMG are you serious moment, look up some of the Gothard principals.

[ChiTownVenture]

Several things to point out....

If they can pool their resources and support each other, that is fine. My point is that I don't deem the father a success just because at the moment he is able to support his family without welfare.

[steff]

Someone mentioned the children being self supporting, was just pointing out that the 2 boys of "legal" age are already doing just that and that the girls will never be given the opportunity to be self supporting or hold jobs. They will go from their parents house to their husbands house.

[floridayankee]

Jan 5, 2011 12:56:51 GMT -5 ChiTownVenture said:

When a child becomes legal age they are responsible for their own lives, but the parents are to credit for the values instilled in them for the duration of their life.

Unless you are implying that the parents of people currently collecting welfare have no values, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Parents of 10+ children living on welfare are unsuccessful parents, IMO.

Since they have no kids collecting welfare, I will take that as your confirmation that, to this point, the man has done a pretty fine job raising his family.

Again I will hold my opinion of how well they did until their children are grown up supporting themselves.

So you're going to reserve judgement of a man's current success on raising a large family debt free and without government assistance based on some totally unrelated thing his kids may do at some point in the future?

With that logic, I guess nobody can be "successful" until their kids die off.

[handyman2]

You have to admit that Sarah has star power or she would not get as much media and blog attention as she does.

[ChiTownVenture]

Unless you are implying that the parents of people currently collecting welfare have no values, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

I never said that they have no values (nor did I say people on welfare have no values). I do think that it is irresponsible and selfish to have that many kids if you are not able to teach them to take care of themselves, give them the drive to succeed or not have a way to support them after they have reached a legal age.

Responsibility is a value that is learned.

Since they have no kids collecting welfare, I will take that as your confirmation that, to this point, the man has done a pretty fine job raising his family.

He has done a fine job providing financially for his family up to this point.

So you're going to reserve judgement of a man's current success on raising a large family debt free and without government assistance based on some totally unrelated thing his kids may do at some point in the future?

With that logic, I guess nobody can be "successful" until their kids die off.

It's completely related. If the majority of his kids end up on welfare that is a direct reflection on his being able to prepare his kids to take care of themselves.

If they all end up on drugs that is a reflection on his parenting. If they all end up independent and successful that again is a reflection on his parenting.

Being a successful parent isn't about making sure your kids live to see the age of 18, there is a bit more to it.

This is just my opinion.

[steff]

This is where you should read up on Gothard beliefs ChiTown. Accepting any govt assistance is a big no no. They are even against joining the military, they consider serving anyone but God first as an absolute no no. That includes the military, answering to anyone in the govt, children attending public school, and even working for a non-Gothard follower. It's why all sons are pushed to either work in the family business or start their own. Women aren't to do anything but educate their kids, keep house, and submit to their husbands. Oh and the large # of kids is their way of "breeding out" non believers. That eventually they can have enough large families that follow Gothard principals to create a Theocracy here in the US. They make conservative christians look like liberals.

[ChiTownVenture]

This is where you should read up on Gothard beliefs ChiTown.

Whether the kids choose to follow that lifestyle or not is yet to be seen, but again I'm holding back my judgment until the kids are old enough to make those decisions.