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Post by scgal on Jul 16, 2024 9:41:11 GMT -5
The DOJ has already been weaponized by the democrats. All of these cases which really should never seen the light of day was only to keep Trump from running and or winning. It was never about the law. I told you before I am good with the outcome if he is found guilty and I still am. I also know how weak the case was being handled. Everyone kept saying how Cannon was delying the trial no she wasn't she was giving the defendant every the consideration of motions allowed under the lawn. Frankly should should have been giving more consideration since he is a former president. She did a great job the only ones who should be sorry is the Democrats. Trump signed the law that made what he did a felony. Not a weak case at all, just a weak Trump appointed judge. And now a completely corrupt SCOTUS that has put the presidency above the law. Correct he did sign that law. Actually the Trump appointed judge is a very strong judge she didn't cave to the democrats wishes and made them follow the law. As far as the SCOTUS this is probably one of the best if not the best court ever. Far too long the court leaned liberal the SC should be neutral, or at the very least conservative leaning. |
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Post by dondubble on Jul 16, 2024 9:47:30 GMT -5
Trump signed the law that made what he did a felony. Not a weak case at all, just a weak Trump appointed judge. And now a completely corrupt SCOTUS that has put the presidency above the law. Correct he did sign that law. Actually the Trump appointed judge is a very strong judge she didn't cave to the democrats wishes and made them follow the law. As far as the SCOTUS this is probably one of the best if not the best court ever. Far too long the court leaned liberal the SC should be neutral, or at the very least conservative leaning. This has been a conservative court for many, many years. Now there has been a coup (Obama’s nominee) and a stacking. It is a renegade outfit that no longer represents the Constitution or the American people. Rightwing extremists are quite happy though. |
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Post by scgal on Jul 16, 2024 9:59:18 GMT -5
Correct he did sign that law. Actually the Trump appointed judge is a very strong judge she didn't cave to the democrats wishes and made them follow the law. As far as the SCOTUS this is probably one of the best if not the best court ever. Far too long the court leaned liberal the SC should be neutral, or at the very least conservative leaning. This has been a conservative court for many, many years. Now there has been a coup (Obama’s nominee) and a stacking. It is a renegade outfit that no longer represents the Constitution or the American people. Rightwing extremists are quite happy though. They are more aligned with the constitution than ever before. They are the best for the American people. Previous to this the courts has been liberal not conservative |
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 16, 2024 10:20:30 GMT -5
This has been a conservative court for many, many years. Now there has been a coup (Obama’s nominee) and a stacking. It is a renegade outfit that no longer represents the Constitution or the American people. Rightwing extremists are quite happy though. They are more aligned with the constitution than ever before. They are the best for the American people. Previous to this the courts has been liberal not conservative The Constitution is a document written almost 250 years ago by a group of white guys, some of whom owned other human beings, living in a society vastly different than today's. Aligning more closely with it is not, IM(not so)HO, necessarily a good thing. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2024 10:55:21 GMT -5
i am not expressing an opinion, just a fact. in ruling as she did, she is overturning considerable amount of precedent. i have reason to believe it will stand, as i have already expressed. so i SUSPECT this will become law, just as anything else the SCOTUS decides becomes law. so why are you coming at me as if we disagree, when we clearly agree? facts are facts. i don't like debating them. you are correct facts are facts. I just see it as not overturning precedent but rather saying the so called precedent was wrong. that's fine. i am not arguing whether it is wrong or right. that is for the courts to decide, as far as i am concerned. |
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Post by dondubble on Jul 16, 2024 10:55:42 GMT -5
This has been a conservative court for many, many years. Now there has been a coup (Obama’s nominee) and a stacking. It is a renegade outfit that no longer represents the Constitution or the American people. Rightwing extremists are quite happy though. They are more aligned with the constitution than ever before. They are the best for the American people. Previous to this the courts has been liberal not conservative I don’t see that the Constitution allows presidential immunity. Precedent had been set for 50 years on Roe/Wade. This is a corrupt court that ignores the will of the people in a government of, by and for the people. Extremist renegades. And tell me…when did SCOTUS have a liberal majority? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2024 10:57:46 GMT -5
This has been a conservative court for many, many years. Now there has been a coup (Obama’s nominee) and a stacking. It is a renegade outfit that no longer represents the Constitution or the American people. Rightwing extremists are quite happy though. They are more aligned with the constitution than ever before. They are the best for the American people. Previous to this the courts has been liberal not conservative i don't agree with that. i think the failure to accept the lower court ruling in the disqualification case was a clear indication that this is precisely the kind of court that conservatives used to despise: an activist one. and this recent immunity case will go down in history with the Scopes Monkey Trial, imo. assuming that you survive it, as a nation, that is. |
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Post by swamp on Jul 16, 2024 11:56:52 GMT -5
The hasn’t been a trial yet, so it cam still go to trial if dismissal is overturned on appeal. this will get appealed all the way to the SCOTUS, imo. if they fail to overturn it, it is dead, right? correct. |
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Post by swamp on Jul 16, 2024 11:58:05 GMT -5
It is an excellent ruling. Just because attorney generals appointed special councils in the past does not make it legal. It should have to go thru Congress and the Senate. It can be retried with the correct procedures being followed. No. Just no. She ignored reams of precedent and the clear language of the statute. |
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Post by scgal on Jul 16, 2024 13:08:40 GMT -5
It is an excellent ruling. Just because attorney generals appointed special councils in the past does not make it legal. It should have to go thru Congress and the Senate. It can be retried with the correct procedures being followed. No. Just no. She ignored reams of precedent and the clear language of the statute. The precedent doesn't mean anything if it was illegal to begin with. It seems she was spot on about the statute. |
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Post by scgal on Jul 16, 2024 13:25:25 GMT -5
They are more aligned with the constitution than ever before. They are the best for the American people. Previous to this the courts has been liberal not conservative I don’t see that the Constitution allows presidential immunity. Precedent had been set for 50 years on Roe/Wade. This is a corrupt court that ignores the will of the people in a government of, by and for the people. Extremist renegades. And tell me…when did SCOTUS have a liberal majority? The popular opinion of the people is not considered maybe that is how the simple minded left thinks. Roe was an abomination and needed to be corrected. In 2012 the court of left leaning. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2024 13:32:30 GMT -5
I don’t see that the Constitution allows presidential immunity. Precedent had been set for 50 years on Roe/Wade. This is a corrupt court that ignores the will of the people in a government of, by and for the people. Extremist renegades. And tell me…when did SCOTUS have a liberal majority? The popular opinion of the people is not considered maybe that is how the simple minded left thinks. Axios did a chart of political leaning on the court. it has been right leaning for over three decades, except for a brief period just prior to the death of Ginsburg: www.axios.com/2023/07/03/supreme-court-justices-political-ideology-chart |
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2024 13:34:30 GMT -5
scgal- i don't think it is fair to dismiss this analysis as "the left". i think Axios did a fair and impartial analysis. you might want to consider the fact that the US Justice System ITSELF, AS IT IS CONSTRUCTED, is a liberal institution. that is probably why it SEEMS as if it is liberal to you, when in fact the MAKEUP of the court is not liberal at all, and has not been since the appointment of Thomas.
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Post by dondubble on Jul 16, 2024 13:36:57 GMT -5
I don’t see that the Constitution allows presidential immunity. Precedent had been set for 50 years on Roe/Wade. This is a corrupt court that ignores the will of the people in a government of, by and for the people. Extremist renegades. And tell me…when did SCOTUS have a liberal majority? The popular opinion of the people is not considered maybe that is how the simple minded left thinks. Roe was an abomination and needed to be corrected. In 2012 the court of left leaning. The simple minded right thinks the Constitution allows for presidential immunity as Trump’s appointees are keeping him out of prison with this bogus ruling. Nixxon is grinning down there in Hell. Completely corrupt. |
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Post by Opti on Jul 16, 2024 13:42:04 GMT -5
I don’t see that the Constitution allows presidential immunity. Precedent had been set for 50 years on Roe/Wade. This is a corrupt court that ignores the will of the people in a government of, by and for the people. Extremist renegades. And tell me…when did SCOTUS have a liberal majority? The popular opinion of the people is not considered maybe that is how the simple minded left thinks. Roe was an abomination and needed to be corrected. In 2012i the court of left leaning.    So is the sun and humidity as unrelenting as it has been here in NJ? Liberals are generally the home of complex thought fwiw. Roe v Wade was a good way to allow the US to be a second world country instead of third world which is where we are headed. I don't want to figure out your 2012 issue, but what you think was court driven may not have been. |
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Post by Opti on Jul 16, 2024 13:46:30 GMT -5
The popular opinion of the people is not considered maybe that is how the simple minded left thinks. Roe was an abomination and needed to be corrected. In 2012 the court of left leaning. The simple minded right thinks the Constitution allows for presidential immunity as Trump’s appointees are keeping him out of prison with this bogus ruling. Nixxon is grinning down there in Hell. Completely corrupt. Bannon is grinning because he is beholden to more foreign US hating masters than say Trump and Tucker are. (Putin considers both Trump and Tucker assets.) Nixon is dead, so I am not thinking about how his ghost/shade might feel about all this. But totally agree on your thoughts about Presidential immunity being conjured up merely to keep a felon out of jail. |
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Post by dondubble on Jul 16, 2024 14:06:30 GMT -5
The simple minded right thinks the Constitution allows for presidential immunity as Trump’s appointees are keeping him out of prison with this bogus ruling. Nixxon is grinning down there in Hell. Completely corrupt. Bannon is grinning because he is beholden to more foreign US hating masters than say Trump and Tucker are. (Putin considers both Trump and Tucker assets.) Nixon is dead, so I am not thinking about how his ghost/shade might feel about all this. But totally agree on your thoughts about Presidential immunity being conjured up merely to keep a felon out of jail. The Nixxon~Frost interview is worth a watch. |
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Post by scgal on Jul 16, 2024 15:09:37 GMT -5
The popular opinion of the people is not considered maybe that is how the simple minded left thinks. Roe was an abomination and needed to be corrected. In 2012 the court of left leaning. The simple minded right thinks the Constitution allows for presidential immunity as Trump’s appointees are keeping him out of prison with this bogus ruling. Nixxon is grinning down there in Hell. Completely corrupt. So prior to Trump there was never presidential immunity? |
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Post by Opti on Jul 16, 2024 15:10:44 GMT -5
The simple minded right thinks the Constitution allows for presidential immunity as Trump’s appointees are keeping him out of prison with this bogus ruling. Nixxon is grinning down there in Hell. Completely corrupt. So prior to Trump there was never presidential immunity? Yes |
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Post by Opti on Jul 16, 2024 15:12:52 GMT -5
Bannon is grinning because he is beholden to more foreign US hating masters than say Trump and Tucker are. (Putin considers both Trump and Tucker assets.) Nixon is dead, so I am not thinking about how his ghost/shade might feel about all this. But totally agree on your thoughts about Presidential immunity being conjured up merely to keep a felon out of jail. The Nixxon~Frost interview is worth a watch. Probably true. I currently am reeling from RL things including finding out someone I knew at Purdue died about the same time my dad did. This guy however was only about three years older than me, so I am in shock. |
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