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Post by resolution on Apr 24, 2024 21:23:06 GMT -5
I was really privileged. Back when I went to the U of A, tuition was only $1100 per year. My parents saved up for it and paid my tuition in full. An apartment off campus was $365 per month, which I shared with my sister. I worked part time for the university for minimum wage ($4.25 per hour) and was able to graduate with no debt and some savings. It gave me a great start, and I was able to buy my first house six years later. Currently tuition is $13,200 per year, so an increase of 12x. Minimum wage is $14.35 per hour, so an increase of only 3x. I imagine it's even worse in states that didn't index their minimum wage to inflation.Yeah, like in the half of them where minimum wage is only $7.25. Including Alabama (if that's what U of A you're referring to) so not even double what it was. My state just recently bumped it, but it's still only $8 something for small employers and 10 something for large companies.
My numbers were for Arizona, but I checked PA where I live now and it's even worse. In PA, tuition cost about $20k per year for Penn State, and min wage is $7.25 per hour.
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Post by scgal on Apr 25, 2024 8:29:48 GMT -5
I have no problem when I retire with paying school taxes. I do have a problem with student debt forgiveness. Me, husband, and both kids went to college. I know for my husband and I there was no helping parents and we did it ourselves our kids we did help but so did they and there was still student loans that we paid off. We didn't take vacations we didn't buy new cars we worked a lot of hours and paid everything off first we didn't stand around crying about the debt. If you and your kids went to college prior to about mid 1990s, the state government supplemented the bulk of your college education. After then, states decreased their contribution to state supported schools and required that students (and their parents) shoulder a heftier burden. I am talking a difference from being 80% state supported to being 20% supported. So what this boils down to is you and likely your kids received educations at the taxpayer expense, but it’s not ok to help those who happened to be born later……when schools expected a much greater student/parent contribution because schools received less from the state taxes. You think that’s fair? Its about half and half for us. MY husband and I was late 80s thru mid 90s. My kids attended mid 2000. So we did see a larger of the burden for them. I don't care about the fair part comparing cost past to present. Why those cost are so high I can see bitching about. In the end it is what it is greed. If you buy a car, house, finance a vacation you are expected to pay for it the same should be for college. I seen a street interview on CBS last year asking kids if they are going to college and the cost most said they will figure it out later 2 kids said they don't ever plan to pay it back. These are the ones that shouldn't be allowed to go.
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Post by scgal on Apr 25, 2024 8:43:14 GMT -5
I have no problem when I retire with paying school taxes. I do have a problem with student debt forgiveness. Me, husband, and both kids went to college. I know for my husband and I there was no helping parents and we did it ourselves our kids we did help but so did they and there was still student loans that we paid off. We didn't take vacations we didn't buy new cars we worked a lot of hours and paid everything off first we didn't stand around crying about the debt. Look at it this way...at least you all made enough money that you could forgo vacations and new cars to pay off student loans. I'll never own a new car in my life. And that's just to make ends meet. We are pretty much down to taking a long weekend as our yearly vacation, because I cannot justify another expense. We couldn't even afford to have more than a 100K mortgage. Again, just to make ends meet. And it's not that I don't work hard. I think working 55-65 hour weeks for 35 years justifies some frivolity beyond movie night at home. If we didn't family help (or presumably merit aid for kid #2), at least my older two kids would follow the GenZ trend, which is to go to trade school. I never said it was easy. Our first mortgage was 50k at 12.5% while still going to school. We worked during school had a child it was damn hard. After college it was 2 jobs for my huband for 20 years. Once my kids went off to primary schoold I worked even more. We didn't work extra for extra things it was to pay the bills we owed. That is what is missing kids think they are owed something they are owed an education. I helped my kids but in hindsight I wish I didn't. I would be so much further ahead. I could go on and on it will just piss somebody off so I will leave it here
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 25, 2024 8:54:56 GMT -5
Look at it this way...at least you all made enough money that you could forgo vacations and new cars to pay off student loans. I'll never own a new car in my life. And that's just to make ends meet. We are pretty much down to taking a long weekend as our yearly vacation, because I cannot justify another expense. We couldn't even afford to have more than a 100K mortgage. Again, just to make ends meet. And it's not that I don't work hard. I think working 55-65 hour weeks for 35 years justifies some frivolity beyond movie night at home. If we didn't family help (or presumably merit aid for kid #2), at least my older two kids would follow the GenZ trend, which is to go to trade school. I never said it was easy. Our first mortgage was 50k at 12.5% while still going to school. We worked during school had a child it was damn hard. After college it was 2 jobs for my huband for 20 years. Once my kids went off to primary schoold I worked even more. We didn't work extra for extra things it was to pay the bills we owed. That is what is missing kids think they are owed something they are owed an education. I helped my kids but in hindsight I wish I didn't. I would be so much further ahead. I could go on and on it will just piss somebody off so I will leave it here If you never had kids in the first place you'd be even further ahead.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Apr 25, 2024 8:56:12 GMT -5
I have no problem when I retire with paying school taxes. I do have a problem with student debt forgiveness. Me, husband, and both kids went to college. I know for my husband and I there was no helping parents and we did it ourselves our kids we did help but so did they and there was still student loans that we paid off. We didn't take vacations we didn't buy new cars we worked a lot of hours and paid everything off first we didn't stand around crying about the debt. If you and your kids went to college prior to about mid 1990s, the state government supplemented the bulk of your college education. After then, states decreased their contribution to state supported schools and required that students (and their parents) shoulder a heftier burden. I am talking a difference from being 80% state supported to being 20% supported. So what this boils down to is you and likely your kids received educations at the taxpayer expense, but it’s not ok to help those who happened to be born later……when schools expected a much greater student/parent contribution because schools received less from the state taxes. You think that’s fair? That reminded me of this graphic. Anyone saying I did it in the 80's so you should be able to do the same in the 2020's is delusional.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 25, 2024 9:46:58 GMT -5
I have no problem when I retire with paying school taxes. I do have a problem with student debt forgiveness. Me, husband, and both kids went to college. I know for my husband and I there was no helping parents and we did it ourselves our kids we did help but so did they and there was still student loans that we paid off. We didn't take vacations we didn't buy new cars we worked a lot of hours and paid everything off first we didn't stand around crying about the debt. If you and your kids went to college prior to about mid 1990s, the state government supplemented the bulk of your college education. After then, states decreased their contribution to state supported schools and required that students (and their parents) shoulder a heftier burden. I am talking a difference from being 80% state supported to being 20% supported. So what this boils down to is you and likely your kids received educations at the taxpayer expense, but it’s not ok to help those who happened to be born later……when schools expected a much greater student/parent contribution because schools received less from the state taxes. You think that’s fair? University of Nebraska is at 0% contribution from the state or close to it. UNMC was trying to make up the difference accepting more international students but then all the travel bans and quotas put a kibosh on that. So in state tuition skyrocketed. Then parents bitch about the price tag. Well you voted in support of reducing funding to the university system because it's a waste of tax dollars according to you. You didn't want a bunch of foreign people getting the slot you thought should go to your kid. The money to pay for that state of the art medical education has to come from somewhere.
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Post by susana1954 on Apr 25, 2024 17:27:53 GMT -5
College in the 1970s was nothing like it is now. Yes, tuition for kids is higher, but we were required to live on campus and have a 21-meals-a-week meal plan from the cafeteria. My first dorm room had 3 people crammed into a small room with only 2 closets and 2 desks. Two beds had to be bunked. Bathrooms were down the hall. No telephones in your room. Tv was in the front parlor. We couldn't have jobs because we weren't allowed to have cars. And God forbid that you had a popcorn popper.
Now kids at the same college have it much better in terms of amenities. Those cost $$$.
ETA: Only two girls' dorm had a/c. The other three didn't even provide a fan, and you weren't allowed to bring one.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 25, 2024 18:12:40 GMT -5
If you and your kids went to college prior to about mid 1990s, the state government supplemented the bulk of your college education. After then, states decreased their contribution to state supported schools and required that students (and their parents) shoulder a heftier burden. I am talking a difference from being 80% state supported to being 20% supported. So what this boils down to is you and likely your kids received educations at the taxpayer expense, but it’s not ok to help those who happened to be born later……when schools expected a much greater student/parent contribution because schools received less from the state taxes. You think that’s fair? That reminded me of this graphic. Anyone saying I did it in the 80's so you should be able to do the same in the 2020's is delusional.
Yep. I have watched what states have contributed to state institutions since I started working at them in 1986 when I started working within the state system. This is an interesting graphic that shows this.
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