Science does not exist in Florida?

[daisylu]

Terrible recommendation from the SURGEON GENERAL.  

As a Florida elementary school tries to contain a growing measles outbreak, the state’s top health official is giving advice that runs counter to science and may leave unvaccinated children at risk of contracting one of the most contagious pathogens on Earth, clinicians and public health experts said.



Florida surgeon general Joseph A. Ladapo failed to urge parents to vaccinate their children or keep unvaccinated students home from school as a precaution in a letter to parents at the Fort Lauderdale-area school this week following six confirmed measles cases.



Instead of following what he acknowledged was the “normal” recommendation that parents keep unvaccinated children home for up to 21 days - the incubation period for measles - Ladapo said the state health department “is deferring to parents or guardians to make decisions about school attendance.”


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[busymom]

Remember, this is the same state that doesn't promote getting the Covid shot.  What's a few thousand fewer citizens to Florida?  Unfortunately, measles is quite capable of killing people too.  

[Tennesseer]

Feb 23, 2024 10:05:52 GMT -5 busymom said:

Remember, this is the same state that doesn't promote getting the Covid shot.  What's a few thousand fewer citizens to Florida?  Unfortunately, measles is quite capable of killing people too.  

And the same Florida surgeon general in the opening post and first reply.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Feb 23, 2024 10:05:52 GMT -5 busymom said:

Remember, this is the same state that doesn't promote getting the Covid shot.  What's a few thousand fewer citizens to Florida?  Unfortunately, measles is quite capable of killing people too.  

It is extremely contagious.  I read about how an older sibling unintentionally brought it home to his infant sibling.  The older one had his shots but was carrying it because there was an unvaccinated kid in his class who had contracted it and he came into contact with the kid before it was a confirmed case of measles.  His infant sibling hadn't received their MMR yet.

I can't imagine how much therapy that poor kid needed.

If it is legal for the parent to decide to send their kid to school with measles and they end up exposing an infant or a pregnant woman and causing birth defects/death then IMO those parents should have to compensate AND I am free to beat the ever loving shit out of them until I am satisfied they feel the same level of pain I am.

[Tiny]

How does it work when a woman is vaccinated for measles (maybe as a child)  and she's pregnant and she comes in contact with someone who has measles?   
Is there any danger to her pregnancy?   

 

[busymom]

I went to college with a young woman whose mother caught measles while carrying her.  Abortion was illegal for her mom at the time, but her mother could've gotten an exception made, but chose not to.  The young woman had very poor eyesight, she was told, due to her mom having measles, and also had a list of other health complications.  I wouldn't want that to happen to any child of mine.  

[Tiny]

Currently, I wonder if some bad effect happens to a family because little was done to stem the outbreak and thought it was safe to send their healthy kid(s) to schools could they sue the school or the source family of the measles infection?    Could a measles infected family be accused of murder, for instance?  Or be liable for a child born with disabilities (because they were exposed to measles while in the womb)?     I can totally see this happening today.    

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Feb 23, 2024 12:30:05 GMT -5 busymom said:

I went to college with a young woman whose mother caught measles while carrying her.  Abortion was illegal for her mom at the time, but her mother could've gotten an exception made, but chose not to.  The young woman had very poor eyesight, she was told, due to her mom having measles, and also had a list of other health complications.  I wouldn't want that to happen to any child of mine.  

My mom had measles (rubella) while she was pregnant with me. It is the cause of my deafness.

[busymom]

Feb 23, 2024 12:56:34 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Feb 23, 2024 12:30:05 GMT -5 busymom said:

I went to college with a young woman whose mother caught measles while carrying her.  Abortion was illegal for her mom at the time, but her mother could've gotten an exception made, but chose not to.  The young woman had very poor eyesight, she was told, due to her mom having measles, and also had a list of other health complications.  I wouldn't want that to happen to any child of mine.  

My mom had measles (rubella) while she was pregnant with me. It is the cause of my deafness.

    I'm so sorry.  Hopefully you haven't suffered from other problems.  If I may ask, did you learn sign language?  We learned just a bit of it, as speech therapists have learned that children with autism sometimes learn to speak after they learn to sign, and it was a help for DS.


    (If it makes you feel better, my hearing seems to be going too, more noticeably in the last couple of years.  It's a hereditary thing that runs on Dad's side of the family:  hearing starts to get worse around age 40.  I'll most likely need a hearing aid.)

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Feb 23, 2024 12:18:42 GMT -5 Tiny said:

How does it work when a woman is vaccinated for measles (maybe as a child)  and she's pregnant and she comes in contact with someone who has measles?   
Is there any danger to her pregnancy?   

 

Maternal immunity protects the fetus while it is in the womb.  One of the first things they did was an MMR titer on me because I had them back in the 80s and I didn't have proof I'd had all three (I have).  If I hadn't they were going to poke me again.

Maternal immunity provides a limited amount of protect post birth as well.  The vaccine schedule is based off of when maternal immunity starts to wane.

This is by no means fool proof no infant should be exposed to measles period.  

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Feb 23, 2024 13:28:14 GMT -5 busymom said:

Feb 23, 2024 12:56:34 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

My mom had measles (rubella) while she was pregnant with me. It is the cause of my deafness.

    I'm so sorry.  Hopefully you haven't suffered from other problems.  If I may ask, did you learn sign language?  We learned just a bit of it, as speech therapists have learned that children with autism sometimes learn to speak after they learn to sign, and it was a help for DS.


    (If it makes you feel better, my hearing seems to be going too, more noticeably in the last couple of years.  It's a hereditary thing that runs on Dad's side of the family:  hearing starts to get worse around age 40.  I'll most likely need a hearing aid.)

I did not suffer any other repercussions. I do know blindness and mental deficits were other side effects.

I did not learn ASL. I grew up in a hearing family in a small town. I did not know anyone else with hearing loss until high school. I was able to be helped with hearing aids which I was fitted for at age 4. I went through the local public school system and in first grade had some speech therapy in the form of teaching me lip reading.

10 years ago, I finally had cochlear implants since hearing aids were no longer benefiting me. I love my bionic ears!

[Tennesseer]

DeSantis' hand-picked surgeon general yet again.

Florida health official repeats debunked claim that Covid mRNA vaccines contain 'DNA-changing virus'

Medical experts have reiterated that Covid-19 mRNA vaccines cannot change a person's DNA after Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo made the false claim in a January 2024 interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. The World Health Organization (WHO) has previously debunked the long-running misinformation, saying "mRNA vaccines are not live virus vaccines and do not interfere with human DNA."

"Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo said there is "no doubt" that the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines could change people's DNA!" read a simplified Chinese post shared on January 21, 2024 on X.

The post included a clip from an interview that Ladapo did with Carlson, who posted a longer version of the interview on his X account here on January 16, and the complete interview on his website here (archived link).

Rest of article here: Florida health official repeats debunked claim that Covid mRNA vaccines contain 'DNA-changing virus'

[chiver78]

Feb 23, 2024 12:49:24 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Currently, I wonder if some bad effect happens to a family because little was done to stem the outbreak and thought it was safe to send their healthy kid(s) to schools could they sue the school or the source family of the measles infection?    Could a measles infected family be accused of murder, for instance?  Or be liable for a child born with disabilities (because they were exposed to measles while in the womb)?     I can totally see this happening today.    

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on tv. but, there's an SVU episode about this from 2015. Benson's adopted son hadn't gotten vaxxed yet, was actually in the pediatrician's waiting room to get the shots, when he was exposed to measles from an unvaxxed kid in the waiting room that was sick. turns out that kid's mother found a Dr who falsified vax records to enroll her kids in school and had encouraged her friends to do the same. there was a measles outbreak across NYC schools from this one patient zero. 

this mother was charged with manslaughter for the one kid (not Benson's) who died, and reckless endangerment and something else for the rest. she was acquitted of the manslaughter charge, but held liable for the reckless endangerment. 

whether that would fly IRL, idk. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 23, 2024 10:37:59 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Feb 23, 2024 10:05:52 GMT -5 busymom said:

Remember, this is the same state that doesn't promote getting the Covid shot.  What's a few thousand fewer citizens to Florida?  Unfortunately, measles is quite capable of killing people too.  

It is extremely contagious.  I read about how an older sibling unintentionally brought it home to his infant sibling.  The older one had his shots but was carrying it because there was an unvaccinated kid in his class who had contracted it and he came into contact with the kid before it was a confirmed case of measles.  His infant sibling hadn't received their MMR yet.

I can't imagine how much therapy that poor kid needed.

If it is legal for the parent to decide to send their kid to school with measles and they end up exposing an infant or a pregnant woman and causing birth defects/death then IMO those parents should have to compensate AND I am free to beat the ever loving shit out of them until I am satisfied they feel the same level of pain I am.

I've told this story before, but I caught the measles back before the vaccine was available.  I was playing with another little boy, who happened to be my mom's boss's son.  Not sure if I gave them to him, or he gave them to me but we both had the measles at the same time.  He died.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 26, 2024 10:34:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

DeSantis' hand-picked surgeon general yet again.

Florida health official repeats debunked claim that Covid mRNA vaccines contain 'DNA-changing virus'

Medical experts have reiterated that Covid-19 mRNA vaccines cannot change a person's DNA after Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo made the false claim in a January 2024 interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. The World Health Organization (WHO) has previously debunked the long-running misinformation, saying "mRNA vaccines are not live virus vaccines and do not interfere with human DNA."

"Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo said there is "no doubt" that the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines could change people's DNA!" read a simplified Chinese post shared on January 21, 2024 on X.

The post included a clip from an interview that Ladapo did with Carlson, who posted a longer version of the interview on his X account here on January 16, and the complete interview on his website here (archived link).

Rest of article here: Florida health official repeats debunked claim that Covid mRNA vaccines contain 'DNA-changing virus'

that is a firing offense, unless you are anti-science.

[pulmonarymd]

Feb 27, 2024 11:57:53 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 26, 2024 10:34:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

DeSantis' hand-picked surgeon general yet again.

Florida health official repeats debunked claim that Covid mRNA vaccines contain 'DNA-changing virus'

Medical experts have reiterated that Covid-19 mRNA vaccines cannot change a person's DNA after Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo made the false claim in a January 2024 interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. The World Health Organization (WHO) has previously debunked the long-running misinformation, saying "mRNA vaccines are not live virus vaccines and do not interfere with human DNA."

"Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo said there is "no doubt" that the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines could change people's DNA!" read a simplified Chinese post shared on January 21, 2024 on X.

The post included a clip from an interview that Ladapo did with Carlson, who posted a longer version of the interview on his X account here on January 16, and the complete interview on his website here (archived link).

Rest of article here: Florida health official repeats debunked claim that Covid mRNA vaccines contain 'DNA-changing virus'

that is a firing offense, unless you are anti-science.

He has proven himself to be unqualified to do the job 100x over. There is literally nothing he could do that would surprise me, unless he actually remembered what he learned in Medical School and Residency, and what he was required to know to pass the boards, instead of kissing DiSantis' ass

[busymom]

Feb 26, 2024 15:01:53 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Feb 23, 2024 10:37:59 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

It is extremely contagious.  I read about how an older sibling unintentionally brought it home to his infant sibling.  The older one had his shots but was carrying it because there was an unvaccinated kid in his class who had contracted it and he came into contact with the kid before it was a confirmed case of measles.  His infant sibling hadn't received their MMR yet.

I can't imagine how much therapy that poor kid needed.

If it is legal for the parent to decide to send their kid to school with measles and they end up exposing an infant or a pregnant woman and causing birth defects/death then IMO those parents should have to compensate AND I am free to beat the ever loving shit out of them until I am satisfied they feel the same level of pain I am.

I've told this story before, but I caught the measles back before the vaccine was available.  I was playing with another little boy, who happened to be my mom's boss's son.  Not sure if I gave them to him, or he gave them to me but we both had the measles at the same time.  He died.

     I can't even imagine.  

     I've mentioned this here before, but my Mom told me the cemetery in her small town was full of children who had died of various illnesses before vaccines were available.  Sometimes one illness would wipe out half of a family.  That's why getting us kids vaccinated was so important to her.  

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Feb 27, 2024 19:42:25 GMT -5 busymom said:

Feb 26, 2024 15:01:53 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

I've told this story before, but I caught the measles back before the vaccine was available.  I was playing with another little boy, who happened to be my mom's boss's son.  Not sure if I gave them to him, or he gave them to me but we both had the measles at the same time.  He died.

     I can't even imagine.  

     I've mentioned this here before, but my Mom told me the cemetery in her small town was full of children who had died of various illnesses before vaccines were available.  Sometimes one illness would wipe out half of a family.  That's why getting us kids vaccinated was so important to her.  

I seem to remember lining up in the gym to get some vaccines (early 70s). I was too young to know which ones. That was a time when so many children were ill or dying and families believed in protecting not only their children, but their neighbors and friends. When polio was prevalent, families were scrambling to get their kids vaccinated when the vaccine was available.

[Opti]

Feb 27, 2024 11:57:53 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 26, 2024 10:34:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

DeSantis' hand-picked surgeon general yet again.

Florida health official repeats debunked claim that Covid mRNA vaccines contain 'DNA-changing virus'

Medical experts have reiterated that Covid-19 mRNA vaccines cannot change a person's DNA after Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo made the false claim in a January 2024 interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. The World Health Organization (WHO) has previously debunked the long-running misinformation, saying "mRNA vaccines are not live virus vaccines and do not interfere with human DNA."

"Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo said there is "no doubt" that the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines could change people's DNA!" read a simplified Chinese post shared on January 21, 2024 on X.

The post included a clip from an interview that Ladapo did with Carlson, who posted a longer version of the interview on his X account here on January 16, and the complete interview on his website here (archived link).

Rest of article here: Florida health official repeats debunked claim that Covid mRNA vaccines contain 'DNA-changing virus'

that is a firing offense, unless you are anti-science.

I believe he was picked because he was anti vaccine when it came to Covid. Its pathetic he says things like this, but that's the reason DeSantis employed him. Liars like liars.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 28, 2024 4:46:47 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Feb 27, 2024 19:42:25 GMT -5 busymom said:

     I can't even imagine.  

     I've mentioned this here before, but my Mom told me the cemetery in her small town was full of children who had died of various illnesses before vaccines were available.  Sometimes one illness would wipe out half of a family.  That's why getting us kids vaccinated was so important to her.  

I seem to remember lining up in the gym to get some vaccines (early 70s). I was too young to know which ones. That was a time when so many children were ill or dying and families believed in protecting not only their children, but their neighbors and friends. When polio was prevalent, families were scrambling to get their kids vaccinated when the vaccine was available.

I was five or so when Salk's polio vaccine became available to all in the U.S. Parents'wise, it was a no brainer to get the vaccine for their children and themselves. My parents got all for of us kids as soon as our pediatrician had the vaccine on hand.

Getting vaccines and other preventive shots all my life has been no big deal because I have seen what happens to society when it doesn't get their children and themselves protected through vaccines. This fall I got the Covid booster, annual flu and R.S.V. shots. Who the hell wants to get sick.

[busymom]

Feb 28, 2024 11:18:27 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 28, 2024 4:46:47 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

I seem to remember lining up in the gym to get some vaccines (early 70s). I was too young to know which ones. That was a time when so many children were ill or dying and families believed in protecting not only their children, but their neighbors and friends. When polio was prevalent, families were scrambling to get their kids vaccinated when the vaccine was available.

I was five or so when Salk's polio vaccine became available to all in the U.S. Parents'wise, it was a no brainer to get the vaccine for their children and themselves. My parents got all for of us kids as soon as our pediatrician had TBE vaccine on hand.

Getting vaccines and other preventive shots all my life has been no big deal because I have seen what happens to society when it doesn't get their children and themselves protected through vaccines. This fall I got the Covid booster, annual flu and R.S.V. shots. Who the hell wants to get sick.

     I remember one of my teachers in junior high had gotten polio as a kid.  While he survived it, (he was a science teacher), he was a very skinny & sickly-looking adult.  


     There was only one vaccination I remember getting at school back in elementary school, and I think that was for German measles. The other vaccinations were at the Health Dept. (polio) and the doctor's office. 

[Tennesseer]

Feb 28, 2024 11:25:52 GMT -5 busymom said:

Feb 28, 2024 11:18:27 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I was five or so when Salk's polio vaccine became available to all in the U.S. Parents'wise, it was a no brainer to get the vaccine for their children and themselves. My parents got all for of us kids as soon as our pediatrician had TBE vaccine on hand.

Getting vaccines and other preventive shots all my life has been no big deal because I have seen what happens to society when it doesn't get their children and themselves protected through vaccines. This fall I got the Covid booster, annual flu and R.S.V. shots. Who the hell wants to get sick.

     I remember one of my teachers in junior high had gotten polio as a kid.  While he survived it, (he was a science teacher), he was a very skinny & sickly-looking adult.  


     There was only one vaccination I remember getting at school back in elementary school, and I think that was for German measles. The other vaccinations were at the Health Dept. (polio) and the doctor's office. 

A good childhood friend of mine's dad contracted polio as a child before the vaccine was developed. He used canes and leg braces his whole life to get around. A successful business man who he and his wife raised ten great kids.  

A friend my age contracted polio as an infant and before the vaccine was available.  He contracted a mild case of polio which only caused a very slight limp for him in his youger years till about 40 or so.  After that age, the symptoms started returning which then limited his ability to move around without assistance.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 28, 2024 11:25:52 GMT -5 busymom said:

Feb 28, 2024 11:18:27 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I was five or so when Salk's polio vaccine became available to all in the U.S. Parents'wise, it was a no brainer to get the vaccine for their children and themselves. My parents got all for of us kids as soon as our pediatrician had TBE vaccine on hand.

Getting vaccines and other preventive shots all my life has been no big deal because I have seen what happens to society when it doesn't get their children and themselves protected through vaccines. This fall I got the Covid booster, annual flu and R.S.V. shots. Who the hell wants to get sick.

     I remember one of my teachers in junior high had gotten polio as a kid.  While he survived it, (he was a science teacher), he was a very skinny & sickly-looking adult.  


     There was only one vaccination I remember getting at school back in elementary school, and I think that was for German measles. The other vaccinations were at the Health Dept. (polio) and the doctor's office. 

When I was in junior high school, everyone in the school were given TB tests. I don't know if that was part of a national screening or because a student or teacher in our school had tested positive for FB.

[Spellbound454]

My mother sent us out to play with kids who were known to have measles .... because she thought it was good to expose us to childhood illnesses.

I got measles, then scarlet fever............. and just remember being in bed for weeks. How times have changed.

Odd since my mothers sister is completely deaf from measles.


We got something on a sugar cube, which I think was polio, smallpox jab, BCG jab (TB) and various tetanus and things.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I remember the sugar cube with red polio vaccine on it in 5th grade. Around 1960.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 28, 2024 11:34:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 28, 2024 11:25:52 GMT -5 busymom said:

     I remember one of my teachers in junior high had gotten polio as a kid.  While he survived it, (he was a science teacher), he was a very skinny & sickly-looking adult.  


     There was only one vaccination I remember getting at school back in elementary school, and I think that was for German measles. The other vaccinations were at the Health Dept. (polio) and the doctor's office. 

A good childhood friend of mine's dad contracted polio as a child before the vaccine was developed. He used canes and leg braces his whole life to get around. A successful business man who he and his wife raised ten great kids.  

A friend my age contracted polio as an infant and before the vaccine was available.  He contracted a mild case of polio which only caused a very slight limp for him in his youger years till about 40 or so.  After that age, the symptoms started returning which then limited his ability to move around without assistance.

my professor (the one i happened to take the most classes from in college) was a polio victim.  he graduated from Tehran University.  not sure what year, but must have been prior to the unpleasantness between us and Iran.  

my son did a paper in high school on Jonas Salk.  was not a popular man during the development cycle of that vaccine.  was seen as playing with fire by suggesting a live vaccine.  ended up being a hero.

[Opti]

Feb 28, 2024 11:18:27 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 28, 2024 4:46:47 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

I seem to remember lining up in the gym to get some vaccines (early 70s). I was too young to know which ones. That was a time when so many children were ill or dying and families believed in protecting not only their children, but their neighbors and friends. When polio was prevalent, families were scrambling to get their kids vaccinated when the vaccine was available.

I was five or so when Salk's polio vaccine became available to all in the U.S. Parents'wise, it was a no brainer to get the vaccine for their children and themselves. My parents got all for of us kids as soon as our pediatrician had the vaccine on hand.

Getting vaccines and other preventive shots all my life has been no big deal because I have seen what happens to society when it doesn't get their children and themselves protected through vaccines. This fall I got the Covid booster, annual flu and R.S.V. shots. Who the hell wants to get sick.

I did not get the rSV one, but I got the other two. I did not want to be part of the spike.

[seriousthistime]

Just saw the CDC recommends another COVID booster for people over age 65 who have had the last booster more than four months ago.

www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/s-0228-covid.html

I was talking to my DD, an M.D., about this.  I have not been sick since 2019.  Vaxing, boosting, and more time at home have really helped.  I still avoid live performances because sitting shoulder to shoulder for a two-hour span is not my idea of fun these days. Staying current on boosters and limiting the chances for exposure have really helped.  

I was about 5 when the polio vaccine came out.  My mother cried with relief when I got the vax. 

[Spellbound454]

Feb 28, 2024 13:29:44 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I remember the sugar cube with red polio vaccine on it in 5th grade. Around 1960.

I wasnt around then so it will have been later

[Tennesseer]

Florida is swamped by disease outbreaks as quackery replaces science

Shortly before Joseph Ladapo was sworn in as Florida’s surgeon general in 2022, the New Yorker ran a short column welcoming the vaccine-skeptic doctor to his new role, and highlighting his advocacy for the use of leeches in public health.

It was satire of course, a teasing of the Harvard-educated physician for his unorthodox medical views, which include a steadfast belief that life-saving Covid shots are the work of the devil, and that opening a window is the preferred treatment for the inhalation of toxic fumes from gas stoves.

But now, with an entirely preventable outbreak of measles spreading across Florida, medical experts are questioning if quackery really has become official health policy in the nation’s third most-populous state.

As the highly contagious disease raged in a Broward county elementary school, Ladapo, a politically appointed acolyte of Florida’s far-right governor Ron DeSantis, wrote to parents telling them it was perfectly fine for parents to continue to send in their unvaccinated children.

“The surgeon general is Ron DeSantis’s lapdog, and says whatever DeSantis wants him to say,” said Dr Robert Speth, a professor of pharmaceutical sciences at south Florida’s Nova Southeastern University with more than four decades of research experience.

“His statements are more political than medical and that’s a horrible disservice to the citizens of Florida. He’s somebody whose job is to protect public health, and he’s doing the exact opposite.”

Rest of article here:  Florida is swamped by disease outbreaks as quackery replaces science