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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 19, 2023 19:27:18 GMT -5
Aptera has a very interesting commuter vehicle. i have been watching that company for literally decades. Rivian was just sold by Buffett. i don't know if that means anything. Musk might become battery recharging king. that is something that we would see in about 5 years. i don't wish him any success. but he might get it. first to market has a lot of bearing on that.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Nov 19, 2023 20:03:05 GMT -5
Do you mean genius as in IQ or as in savvy? They're not guaranteed partners.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Nov 19, 2023 22:47:21 GMT -5
Do you mean genius as in IQ or as in savvy? They're not guaranteed partners.
Yeah, genius has a definition and I think he meets it (iq of 140 or more) While that is Nobel prize level shizzle, it is not relevant to the novel peace prize, or to running companies, per se. |
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Post by Spellbound454 on Nov 20, 2023 12:40:11 GMT -5
I think anyone that calls their child X Æ A-Xii ......... is a supreme attention seeker.
Doent mean they are not bright..... just not functioning like other people.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 29, 2023 12:46:32 GMT -5
I'm sure he is a genius and his ways are a little strange, but hard to argue with his success. He seems to have a way of willing things to get done.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 29, 2023 13:29:17 GMT -5
I'm sure he is a genius and his ways are a little strange, but hard to argue with his success. He seems to have a way of willing things to get done. other than Tesla, which is indeed a major achievement, better than anything anyone here can boast of, what has he achieved? |
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Post by Ryan on Nov 29, 2023 15:56:13 GMT -5
I'm sure he is a genius and his ways are a little strange, but hard to argue with his success. He seems to have a way of willing things to get done. other than Tesla, which is indeed a major achievement, better than anything anyone here can boast of, what has he achieved? He's been involved at the founding or near founding of Tesla, SpaceX, Solar City, Paypal, another company with a big exit before Paypal. He was an original investor in OpenAI. You could argue that he wasn't the brains behind any of those operations or maybe even the driving force, but I don't think it's a coincidence that he has had so much success. A little luck never hurts, but I'm not that cynical to think it was all luck. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 29, 2023 17:43:10 GMT -5
other than Tesla, which is indeed a major achievement, better than anything anyone here can boast of, what has he achieved? He's been involved at the founding or near founding of Tesla, SpaceX, Solar City, Paypal, another company with a big exit before Paypal. He was an original investor in OpenAI.. ok. thanks. personally, i don't think much of SpaceX, and anyone with this much involvement and money in tech could have easily been involved with OpenAI, but i will give you the rest of these, along with the business which he formed with his brother that eventually led to PayPal. i can see why you admire him. i think he is a dirtbag. and genius and dirtbag scare me. but i won't debate the genius question any more. i am just far more worried about him than i was before you posted this. |
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Post by NastyWoman on Nov 29, 2023 18:26:59 GMT -5
He's been involved at the founding or near founding of Tesla, SpaceX, Solar City, Paypal, another company with a big exit before Paypal. He was an original investor in OpenAI.. ok. thanks. personally, i don't think much of SpaceX, and anyone with this much involvement and money in tech could have easily been involved with OpenAI, but i will give you the rest of these, along with the business which he formed with his brother that eventually led to PayPal. i can see why you admire him. i think he is a dirtbag. and genius and dirtbag scare me. but i won't debate the genius question any more. i am just far more worried about him than i was before you posted this. Lately, with all the nonsense he has been spouting I have started to think of him as an idiot savant with a mean/vile streak. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 29, 2023 18:30:01 GMT -5
ok. thanks. personally, i don't think much of SpaceX, and anyone with this much involvement and money in tech could have easily been involved with OpenAI, but i will give you the rest of these, along with the business which he formed with his brother that eventually led to PayPal. i can see why you admire him. i think he is a dirtbag. and genius and dirtbag scare me. but i won't debate the genius question any more. i am just far more worried about him than i was before you posted this. Lately, with all the nonsense he has been spouting I have started to think of him as an idiot savant with a mean/vile streak. he's vile. i think he is a sociopath. the first thing that tipped me off were the stories coming out of the Numi plant that he eventually abandoned for his new factory in Texas. sexual harassment, racism, and abuse of employees were commonplace there. many lawsuits, many settlemenets. |
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Post by dondubble on Nov 29, 2023 18:59:09 GMT -5
Megalomaniac.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 30, 2023 10:57:43 GMT -5
He's been involved at the founding or near founding of Tesla, SpaceX, Solar City, Paypal, another company with a big exit before Paypal. He was an original investor in OpenAI.. ok. thanks. personally, i don't think much of SpaceX, and anyone with this much involvement and money in tech could have easily been involved with OpenAI, but i will give you the rest of these, along with the business which he formed with his brother that eventually led to PayPal. i can see why you admire him. i think he is a dirtbag. and genius and dirtbag scare me. but i won't debate the genius question any more. i am just far more worried about him than i was before you posted this. I didn't say I admired him, I just said he probably would be considered a genius. From an IQ perspective, I'm sure he's a genius. From a business building perspective, he looks like a genius. I don't hold any of these tech CEOs, politicians, or celebrities in high regard because I'm sure they have some very large deficiency in some other area of their life. If you've ever read the book on Steve Jobs, he was basically a maniac as well, although he wasn't on the spectrum like Elon. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2023 17:39:47 GMT -5
ok. thanks. personally, i don't think much of SpaceX, and anyone with this much involvement and money in tech could have easily been involved with OpenAI, but i will give you the rest of these, along with the business which he formed with his brother that eventually led to PayPal. i can see why you admire him. i think he is a dirtbag. and genius and dirtbag scare me. but i won't debate the genius question any more. i am just far more worried about him than i was before you posted this. I didn't say I admired him, I just said he probably would be considered a genius. From an IQ perspective, I'm sure he's a genius. From a business building perspective, he looks like a genius. I don't hold any of these tech CEOs, politicians, or celebrities in high regard because I'm sure they have some very large deficiency in some other area of their life. If you've ever read the book on Steve Jobs, he was basically a maniac as well, although he wasn't on the spectrum like Elon. fair enough. i admire him. he has made some amazing business decisions. mostly in the last century, honestly. he started with 100x what i did, but he ended up with way more than 100x i have in about the same amount of time. i admire that. but like you, i don't admire him personally. |
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Post by jerseygirl on Nov 30, 2023 18:54:27 GMT -5
I’ve worked closely with 4 CEOs. Generally not nice people but they ran their companies well. In 2 cases completely turning around companies that were failing
SpaceX revolutionized by landing rockets upright and being able to reuse. Elon took Tesla successfully through self admitted production Hell to most successful EV company (maybe China’s closing in)
I bought my Tesla S late 2017 and company was still shaky then. Loving my Tesla!
Being a genius not pertinent to running a company , neither is being a ‘nice’ guy
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Post by resolution on Nov 30, 2023 20:06:05 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2023 20:41:40 GMT -5
basically, he already has enough money, so he can say that.
but he is not doing his shareholders and stakeholders any favors.
i guess they can fuck themselves, too.
edit: he is working on becoming PharmaBro.
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Post by jerseygirl on Nov 30, 2023 22:45:36 GMT -5
No shareholders for Twitter so no financial damage except Musk. And if company fails then damage to those who lose their jobs
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 30, 2023 22:58:39 GMT -5
Except Musk used Tesla stock to purchase Twitter. If Twitter goes bankrupt, what happens to Tesla’s stock price?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2023 0:18:28 GMT -5
No shareholders for Twitter so no financial damage except Musk. And if company fails then damage to those who lose their jobs i just figured that there was more than one owner of X, but i was WRONG. so yes, there is only financial damage to Musk. i KNOW that X is not a public company- which is why i carefully said STAKEHOLDERS. but since he is the sole stakeholder, the damage is all his. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2023 0:20:32 GMT -5
Except Musk used Tesla stock to purchase Twitter. If Twitter goes bankrupt, what happens to Tesla’s stock price? i would argue that Tesla will be greatly damaged by this distraction for Musk, who is unable to focus FULLY on Tesla, now. but it might not matter in the end. the Tesla Power Wall is on it's way to dominance in the energy storage business. Tesla might end up being worth three trillion dollars in five years because of it. that old first to market thing. edit: i concede that Musk has every right to run X into the ground, and probably will. oddly enough, that might benefit him more than running it well. |
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Post by resolution on Dec 1, 2023 8:12:28 GMT -5
I hadn't realized he was sole owner, that makes his response a lot more understandable.
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Post by resolution on Jan 2, 2024 16:11:18 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 2, 2024 17:38:24 GMT -5
he has already said he doesn't care.
which is nifty for him, i guess.
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