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Post by kadee79 on Mar 18, 2023 17:12:12 GMT -5
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pulmonarymd
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 18, 2023 17:16:55 GMT -5
When the citizens of these states have to live with the consequences of these ridiculous laws, maybe they will eventually come to their senses. Physicians have options, no sane person would put themselves at risk if they have other job offers. We will have to see how much they are willing to accept
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 18, 2023 17:36:34 GMT -5
Oh, good Lord!
The US already has the highest maternal death rate of all the first world countries, and now they're banning pregnancy care in some hospitals? Can this GET more idiotic?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 18, 2023 18:05:48 GMT -5
Oh, good Lord! The US already has the highest maternal death rate of all the first world countries, and now they're banning pregnancy care in some hospitals? Can this GET more idiotic? Not banning pregnancy care. The hospital is unable to recruit physicians, so they are cutting services. They cannot pay enough to attract physicians, and there is not enough of a population to make it financially viable. They laws being passed just make a difficult situation more untenable. This has been happening in rural areas throughout the IS, and Covid has exacerbated the problem. Now they are making it worse with this political nonsense
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Mar 18, 2023 20:34:05 GMT -5
Oh, good Lord! The US already has the highest maternal death rate of all the first world countries, and now they're banning pregnancy care in some hospitals? Can this GET more idiotic? Not banning pregnancy care. The hospital is unable to recruit physicians, so they are cutting services. They cannot pay enough to attract physicians, and there is not enough of a population to make it financially viable. They laws being passed just make a difficult situation more untenable. This has been happening in rural areas throughout the IS, and Covid has exacerbated the problem. Now they are making it worse with this political nonsense Anecdotally, this is what happened where we just spent 12 years living. I’m in a Progressive state that’s setting aside money to host women not able to access healthcare in their state. In the rural areas it’s really hard to get doctors to work where we lived. We had to drive 125 miles for a neurologist. There are OB/GYNs in the largest town, but that’s a 50 mile drive for over half the county. It has nothing to do with the new laws.
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Knee Deep in Water Chloe
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Mar 18, 2023 20:34:05 GMT -5
Oh, good Lord! The US already has the highest maternal death rate of all the first world countries, and now they're banning pregnancy care in some hospitals? Can this GET more idiotic? Not banning pregnancy care. The hospital is unable to recruit physicians, so they are cutting services. They cannot pay enough to attract physicians, and there is not enough of a population to make it financially viable. They laws being passed just make a difficult situation more untenable. This has been happening in rural areas throughout the IS, and Covid has exacerbated the problem. Now they are making it worse with this political nonsense Anecdotally, this is what happened where we just spent 12 years living. I’m in a Progressive state that’s setting aside money to host women not able to access healthcare in their state. In the rural areas it’s really hard to get doctors to work where we lived. We had to drive 125 miles for a neurologist. There are OB/GYNs in the largest town, but that’s a 50 mile drive for over half the county. It has nothing to do with the new laws.
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Post by teen persuasion on Mar 18, 2023 22:06:51 GMT -5
Yeah, this is my reality, too, in a rural NY county. The hospital (M) where I had kids 3 & 4 closed its maternity ward well over 20 years ago - not an option for kid 5. The next nearest hospital (L) had no NICU, so was encouraged to use a hospital over an hour away in the big city south of us. In the last 10 years, L has absorbed another smaller hospital (N) which closed, then closed its own maternity ward (population of childbearing women too small, they said), ended dialysis services, and recently ended surgeries. They were acquired by Catholic Health, which is closing the current building to move things to a new location in 3 months. Might not be ready before the firm closure date - possibly that was for certain services like chemical substance treatments (a very badly worded news report). It was on the news yesterday that 200+ people will be out of work with the closing. We can't figure out if CH is just firing everyone and bringing in their own employees, forcing everyone to reapply for their jobs, or just completely decimating the dwindling services left (also something about closing the only emergent care that I know of locally). Given the services they've cut, this "hospital" won't be much more than emergent care... It just drives me crazy that the powers that be think it's a GOOD idea to concentrate all the healthcare facilities in the 8 county region in one "medical corridor" - all downtown! The least accessible place, not truly centralized because downtown is against the lake, and hospitals should be distributed thruout the region! God forbid there's some disaster IN the medical corridor itself - the hospitals will ALL be inaccessible. They keep moving hospitals downtown, and closing rural ones.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 19, 2023 10:07:27 GMT -5
Oh, good Lord! The US already has the highest maternal death rate of all the first world countries, and now they're banning pregnancy care in some hospitals? Can this GET more idiotic? the US is the most dangerous place in the developed world to raise a child. when the Dallas Morning News ran this story in 1998, it was systematically repressed in the US. they were the ONLY paper, nationally, that ran the story. because we are pro-family, i guess.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 19, 2023 10:09:08 GMT -5
Not banning pregnancy care. The hospital is unable to recruit physicians, so they are cutting services. They cannot pay enough to attract physicians, and there is not enough of a population to make it financially viable. They laws being passed just make a difficult situation more untenable. This has been happening in rural areas throughout the IS, and Covid has exacerbated the problem. Now they are making it worse with this political nonsense Anecdotally, this is what happened where we just spent 12 years living. I’m in a Progressive state that’s setting aside money to host women not able to access healthcare in their state. In the rural areas it’s really hard to get doctors to work where we lived. We had to drive 125 miles for a neurologist. There are OB/GYNs in the largest town, but that’s a 50 mile drive for over half the county. It has nothing to do with the new laws. yet another reason the US ranks 37th in healthcare in the world.
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Post by pooks on Mar 19, 2023 10:17:08 GMT -5
Idaho is a shit show. Right now, they are at war with doctors, teachers, libraries and LGBTQ. It is crazy. Northern Idaho is also close to losing their accreditation for their community college. The state legislator is trying to ban MRNA vaccines. I wouldn't move here today and will be out Spring 2024. Honestly the people here, deserve what they are getting.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 19, 2023 11:12:07 GMT -5
If I was an on-gyn I’d be looking for another job too.
Help a woman who is having a miscarriage by doing a D and C so she won’t go septic and die and you could get hauled to court for killing a fetus.
Don’t do the D and C and she does get septic and dies, go to court for murdering the mom by not providing the right care.
We already have a high infant mortality rate and mother mortality rate compared to other 1st world countries. Lucky us.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 20, 2023 2:24:08 GMT -5
I read an article that there are how 4 hospitals that will supply OB/GYN care, only 2 are in Idaho and the other 2 are in Montana and Idaho.
I don’t blame doctors wanting nothing to do with that shit show, and I suspect that this is going to trickle out to other red states.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 23, 2023 11:55:21 GMT -5
Not banning pregnancy care. The hospital is unable to recruit physicians, so they are cutting services. They cannot pay enough to attract physicians, and there is not enough of a population to make it financially viable. They laws being passed just make a difficult situation more untenable. This has been happening in rural areas throughout the IS, and Covid has exacerbated the problem. Now they are making it worse with this political nonsense Anecdotally, this is what happened where we just spent 12 years living. I’m in a Progressive state that’s setting aside money to host women not able to access healthcare in their state. In the rural areas it’s really hard to get doctors to work where we lived. We had to drive 125 miles for a neurologist. There are OB/GYNs in the largest town, but that’s a 50 mile drive for over half the county. It has nothing to do with the new laws. Even in more populated areas, finding a doctor (any doctor - not just ob/gyn) that is taking new patients and happens to take your insurance is challenging. Even if you aren’t a new patient, wait times are crazy. When I broke my shoulder I was told it would be 6 weeks to see an orthopedic, and another 8 weeks after that if I needed surgery. Luckily, as a rich guy, my husband is friends with an orthopedic, who bumped another patient to get me in and then gave me the preferred time slot for surgery. I was half healed before I would have even had my initial consult with him if I had been an average joe. That doesn’t even include the cost of the medical care - or worse, the time off work. Cheaper to die.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 23, 2023 14:53:19 GMT -5
Anecdotally, this is what happened where we just spent 12 years living. I’m in a Progressive state that’s setting aside money to host women not able to access healthcare in their state. In the rural areas it’s really hard to get doctors to work where we lived. We had to drive 125 miles for a neurologist. There are OB/GYNs in the largest town, but that’s a 50 mile drive for over half the county. It has nothing to do with the new laws. Even in more populated areas, finding a doctor (any doctor - not just ob/gyn) that is taking new patients and happens to take your insurance is challenging. Even if you aren’t a new patient, wait times are crazy. When I broke my shoulder I was told it would be 6 weeks to see an orthopedic, and another 8 weeks after that if I needed surgery. Luckily, as a rich guy, my husband is friends with an orthopedic, who bumped another patient to get me in and then gave me the preferred time slot for surgery. I was half healed before I would have even had my initial consult with him if I had been an average joe. That doesn’t even include the cost of the medical care - or worse, the time off work. Cheaper to die. What happened to the other patient?
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Post by haapai on Mar 23, 2023 15:13:05 GMT -5
Even in more populated areas, finding a doctor (any doctor - not just ob/gyn) that is taking new patients and happens to take your insurance is challenging. Even if you aren’t a new patient, wait times are crazy. When I broke my shoulder I was told it would be 6 weeks to see an orthopedic, and another 8 weeks after that if I needed surgery. Luckily, as a rich guy, my husband is friends with an orthopedic, who bumped another patient to get me in and then gave me the preferred time slot for surgery. I was half healed before I would have even had my initial consult with him if I had been an average joe. That doesn’t even include the cost of the medical care - or worse, the time off work. Cheaper to die. What happened to the other patient? It's nice to know that someone out there is still offended by queue-jumping and scarce resources being distributed according to who you know. I live in the States and I've seen a lot of coworkers take medical leave for scheduled surgery and then had those surgeries cancelled. This is devastating for low-income workers. Even when their employers allow them to return from the leave ahead of schedule, they've usually burned through quite a bit of their scarce time off and savings. Also, the reasons given for not performing the surgery can be difficult and embarrassing for someone to talk about. Bladder infections are a common excuse for cancelling surgery. "Bad blood work" also seems to be popular. And then there is the outrageous hypocrisy of cancelling a planned surgery because the patient is judged to have an inadequate support system for the post-surgical care that they will almost certainly need.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 23, 2023 17:09:39 GMT -5
Even in more populated areas, finding a doctor (any doctor - not just ob/gyn) that is taking new patients and happens to take your insurance is challenging. Even if you aren’t a new patient, wait times are crazy. When I broke my shoulder I was told it would be 6 weeks to see an orthopedic, and another 8 weeks after that if I needed surgery. Luckily, as a rich guy, my husband is friends with an orthopedic, who bumped another patient to get me in and then gave me the preferred time slot for surgery. I was half healed before I would have even had my initial consult with him if I had been an average joe. That doesn’t even include the cost of the medical care - or worse, the time off work. Cheaper to die. What happened to the other patient? I think the doctor just ran late the rest of the day - he didn’t cancel anyone. Maybe he leaves breaks and he let me take one of those. I’m not sure. But, surgery is more limited, so there was probably a domino effect pushing one person out to the next surgery date, which theoretically would push one person from each surgery day to the next surgery day until he retires. He did surgery twice per week. I got on the surgery schedule as they were scheduling. Nobody got moved for me, one person just got scheduled for Thursday instead of Tuesday. Our whole system is a mess. I am sick of the excuse that socialized medicine has wait times - so do we. And socialized medicine has the government making medical decisions. Here we have capitalism making medical decisions (and government too). I’m unimpressed.
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Post by haapai on Mar 23, 2023 17:35:29 GMT -5
What happened to the other patient? I think the doctor just ran late the rest of the day - he didn’t cancel anyone. Maybe he leaves breaks and he let me take one of those. I’m not sure. But, surgery is more limited, so there was probably a domino effect pushing one person out to the next surgery date, which theoretically would push one person from each surgery day to the next surgery day until he retires. He did surgery twice per week. I got on the surgery schedule as they were scheduling. Nobody got moved for me, one person just got scheduled for Thursday instead of Tuesday. Our whole system is a mess. I am sick of the excuse that socialized medicine has wait times - so do we. And socialized medicine has the government making medical decisions. Here we have capitalism making medical decisions (and government too). I’m unimpressed. thyme, you're kinda babbling. You seem to have invented a fantasy where you getting this appointment didn't affect anyone else. This talk of nobody getting bumped because a surgeon decided not to eat is kinda silly.
That doesn't make you a bad person. We're all being asked to rationalize this kind of stuff.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 23, 2023 17:44:09 GMT -5
I think the doctor just ran late the rest of the day - he didn’t cancel anyone. Maybe he leaves breaks and he let me take one of those. I’m not sure. But, surgery is more limited, so there was probably a domino effect pushing one person out to the next surgery date, which theoretically would push one person from each surgery day to the next surgery day until he retires. He did surgery twice per week. I got on the surgery schedule as they were scheduling. Nobody got moved for me, one person just got scheduled for Thursday instead of Tuesday. Our whole system is a mess. I am sick of the excuse that socialized medicine has wait times - so do we. And socialized medicine has the government making medical decisions. Here we have capitalism making medical decisions (and government too). I’m unimpressed. thyme, you're kinda babbling. You seem to have invented a fantasy where you getting this appointment didn't affect anyone else. This talk of nobody getting bumped because a surgeon decided not to eat is kinda silly.
That doesn't make you a bad person. We're all being asked to rationalize this kind of stuff.
As a physician, let me answer that. If I get called by another physician, I will make an appointment. That may mean I skip lunch, I stay late, or I start early. Sometimes I will book it into a spot where I had a little buffer built in, and may stay late. We make a new slot. We, in my practice, never cancel one patient to see another. Doesn’t happen. If the person I am doing the favor for refuses the appointment I made, they get the next available appointment. Orthopedic surgeons are always adding on emergent cases that get referred from the ED, as fractures and the like may need to be done at a specific time. They have this built in to their schedules, and if it doesn’t get filled, they finish early. It is highly unlikely they bumped an elective case, or canceled a surgery without reason. There are many problems with our system, but that is not one of them. And before I get the accusations that I don’t know about this because I am not a surgeon, my wife worked for the largest orthopedic group in this sre for 17 years
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Post by swamp on Mar 23, 2023 17:49:35 GMT -5
I think the doctor just ran late the rest of the day - he didn’t cancel anyone. Maybe he leaves breaks and he let me take one of those. I’m not sure. But, surgery is more limited, so there was probably a domino effect pushing one person out to the next surgery date, which theoretically would push one person from each surgery day to the next surgery day until he retires. He did surgery twice per week. I got on the surgery schedule as they were scheduling. Nobody got moved for me, one person just got scheduled for Thursday instead of Tuesday. Our whole system is a mess. I am sick of the excuse that socialized medicine has wait times - so do we. And socialized medicine has the government making medical decisions. Here we have capitalism making medical decisions (and government too). I’m unimpressed. thyme, you're kinda babbling. You seem to have invented a fantasy where you getting this appointment didn't affect anyone else. This talk of nobody getting bumped because a surgeon decided not to eat is kinda silly.
That doesn't make you a bad person. We're all being asked to rationalize this kind of stuff.
As a lawyer I used to,squeeze people in at the request of a friend/ good client.
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