Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,120
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 11, 2023 13:33:43 GMT -5
Just more children born to children and raised in poverty. Boebert praises high rural teen birth rates while announcing first grandchildRep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) is announcing that she’ll soon be “a 36-year-old grandmother,” while praising “rural conservative communities” that “value life.” The Colorado Republican revealed that the girlfriend of her 17-year-old son, Tyler, is due next month. “I’m going to tell you all for the first time in a public setting, that not only am I a mom of four boys, but come April, I will be a gigi to a brand new grandson,” Boebert said this week at a Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) event. The lawmaker described her and her husband as “so excited to welcome this new life into our family.” “Now any of you who have young children who are giving life, there’s some questions that pop up. There’s some fear that arises,” Boebert told the audience as she was presented with the Moms for America’s “Mothers Influence Award” on Tuesday for taking “an incredible stance in empowering moms, promoting liberty, and raising patriots!” “Now my son, when I approached him and told him, ‘Tyler, I’m going to be a 36-year-old grandmother,’ he said, ‘Well didn’t you make Granny a 36-year-old granny?’” “I said, ‘Yes, I did.’ He said, ‘Well, then it’s hereditary.’” “Nice try, buddy,” Boebert, a far-right conservative with hard-line views on abortion, said to laughs from the crowd. Boebert has said that she dropped out of high school to take care of her child when she became pregnant as a teen. She said in 2020 that she later received her GED. “But one of our biggest fears was not what are you going to do? What are people going to say? Our biggest fear is: Are they going to choose life?” Boebert said of her son and his significant other. “And they did. And we’re so proud of them for making that sacrifice and being selfless in that position to say there’s something greater here,” she said to applause before speaking about teen pregnancy rates. “There’s something special about rural conservative communities — they value life. If you look at teen pregnancy rates throughout the nation, well, they’re the same in rural and urban areas. However, abortion rates are higher in urban areas, and teen mom rates are higher in rural, conservative areas because we understand the preciousness of the life that is about to be born,” Boebert said. In 2015, 18.9 out of every 1,000 urban female teenagers gave birth, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, compared to 30.9 out of every 1,000 for those in counties of fewer than 50,000, PBS reported. Since 2007, the nationwide teen birth rate has dropped by approximately half, but it has only fallen by about one-third in rural areas. Boebert said she and her husband are “working together” with her son and his girlfriend “to make sure that they’re amazing parents, that they have the love and support that they need.” “We’re adding a wonderful little boy to the Boebert family,” she said. Boebert praises high rural teen birth rates while announcing first grandchild
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,332
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 11, 2023 14:08:48 GMT -5
Appropriate for a party of takers. Red states get more back than the taxes they pay. Just more people to be takers. It will be interesting to see if the child winds up on Medicaid, since that is one of the programs they want to cut
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 20,776
|
Post by happyhoix on Mar 11, 2023 14:28:17 GMT -5
So Boebert is a teen mom born to a series of teen moms.
Makes sense. Teen moms are far less likely to go to college and are generally going to always earn less than teens who wait until they have an education prior to starting a family.
Helps explain the ignorance she often displays. Poorly educated daughter and granddaughter of other poorly educated women.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,870
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 11, 2023 14:34:43 GMT -5
it is what the GOP wants America to become.
educated people are curious and critical. that makes them more difficult to herd.
|
|
teen persuasion
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:49 GMT -5
Posts: 4,026
|
Post by teen persuasion on Mar 11, 2023 19:37:37 GMT -5
Guess she's more a proponent of Unplanned Parenthood.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 39,591
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Mar 11, 2023 19:55:52 GMT -5
He's 17 and she's 15?!
|
|
busymom
Distinguished Associate
Why is the rum always gone? Oh...that's why.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 21:09:36 GMT -5
Posts: 28,217
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"https://cdn.nickpic.host/images/IPauJ5.jpg","color":""}
Mini-Profile Name Color: 0D317F
Mini-Profile Text Color: 0D317F
|
Post by busymom on Mar 11, 2023 20:01:11 GMT -5
I'm wondering what the statutory rape age is in her state... In my family, my grandmother pushed for each generation to do a bit better than the previous generation. I guess that's not the mindset in the Boebert clan.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,870
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 11, 2023 20:10:39 GMT -5
babies having babies. what a great idea.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,120
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 12, 2023 0:21:16 GMT -5
I'm wondering what the statutory rape age is in her state... In my family, my grandmother pushed for each generation to do a bit better than the previous generation. I guess that's not the mindset in the Boebert clan. The Legal “Age of Consent” in Colorado
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,870
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2023 1:08:45 GMT -5
so 15 and 25 is ok, and two ten year olds is ok?
i think that is completely bizarre.
|
|
dondub
Senior Associate
The meek shall indeed inherit the earth but only after the Visigoths are done with it.
Joined: Jan 16, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Posts: 12,110
Location: Seattle
Favorite Drink: Laphroig
|
Post by dondub on Mar 12, 2023 1:42:12 GMT -5
This is all so Gilead.
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 37,385
|
Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2023 8:44:44 GMT -5
so 15 and 25 is ok, and two ten year olds is ok? i think that is completely bizarre. technically 15 and 24, under ten years difference. The law is about criminal behavior. I think two ten year olds having sex need counseling, not prosecution. I think the under ten years law is too extreme a difference. I think under 4 years is more reasonable.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 39,591
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Mar 12, 2023 9:09:45 GMT -5
so 15 and 25 is ok, and two ten year olds is ok? i think that is completely bizarre. technically 15 and 24, under ten years difference. The law is about criminal behavior. I think two ten year olds having sex need counseling, not prosecution. I think the under ten years law is too extreme a difference. I think under 4 years is more reasonable. Sounds like a bad law as 15 and 24 yrs old 11 months works with the under 10 yr rule.
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 37,385
|
Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2023 9:26:14 GMT -5
technically 15 and 24, under ten years difference. The law is about criminal behavior. I think two ten year olds having sex need counseling, not prosecution. I think the under ten years law is too extreme a difference. I think under 4 years is more reasonable. Sounds like a bad law as 15 and 24 yrs old 11 months works with the under 10 yr rule. To me, it sounds like a bad law as 15 and 21 yrs old 0 months works. I think it would create too challenging an enforcement issue to narrow it to exclude high school romances, but post hs age with a 15/16 year old should be illegal.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 39,591
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Mar 12, 2023 9:53:24 GMT -5
I thought many laws were like this -
In New Jersey, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 16), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape.
I expect the south to be different, but didn't expect Colorado to have such a law that could exploit minors IMO.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,120
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 12, 2023 10:36:01 GMT -5
Lauren Boebert will be a grandmother at 36. This is what conservatives want for usOpinion by Arwa Mahdawi Congratulations to Republican congresswoman Lauren Boebert who is becoming a grandma at the tender age of 36. Speaking at a Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) Moms for America event on Tuesday, the Colorado congresswoman shared the news that her 17-year-old son is expecting a baby with his teenage girlfriend in April. Boebert is famous for her far-right views and for stunts like putting out an advert explaining why she’s going to carry a gun in Congress. In 2021 she also posted an infamous Christmas card photo of her four sons, two of whom are very young, brandishing rifles in front of a Christmas tree. She is, in short, an incorrigible attention-seeker who spends more time stoking culture wars than she does producing legislation. That said, she and her children are obviously entitled to a private life. I want to stress that the only reason her growing family is at all newsworthy is because Boebert decided to turn a private affair into a big public statement about how the rest of us should live. Speaking at the CPAC event, the extremely anti-abortion Boebert said that her biggest fear was whether her son and his partner “would choose life”. When they did, she was so proud that she decided to turn them into a parable about rural family values. “There’s something special about rural conservative communities,” Boebert effused. “They value life. If you look at teen pregnancy rates throughout the nation, well, they’re the same, [in] rural and urban areas. However, abortion rates are higher in urban areas. Teen moms’ rates are higher in rural conservative areas, because they understand the preciousness of a life that it’s about to be born.” Well, perhaps that’s one reason teenage mothers are more prevalent in rural areas. Perhaps another reason is that the teenage girls are unable to access a safe and legal abortion and are forced to give birth when they’re unprepared to be parents. Even before Roe v Wade was overturned it was difficult and expensive for rural Americans to access abortion services. According to data analyzed by the pro-choice Guttmacher Institute, for example, 20% of US women in 2014 already had to travel at least 42 miles to access abortion services. Meanwhile women living in rural counties in Montana, Texas, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas had to travel more than 180 miles. Now that Roe has been overturned, Bloomberg estimates that Americans in 26 states will have to travel 552 miles to get an abortion Five hundred and fifty-two miles! This shouldn’t need to be said in 2023, but forcing teenagers to become parents isn’t good for the teenagers, the baby or society in general. Far too often it means the mother having to give up her education. According to the CDC, for example, “Only about 50% of teen mothers receive a high school diploma by 22 years of age, whereas approximately 90% of women who do not give birth during adolescence graduate from high school.” Boebert herself became a mum when she was 17 and ended up dropping out of high school. The CDC also notes that the “children of teenage mothers are more likely to have lower school achievement and to drop out of high school, have more health problems, be incarcerated at some time during adolescence, give birth as a teenager, and face unemployment as a young adult”. Access to abortion is one way to reduce teenage pregnancies. Quality sexual health education in schools is another. Boebert, of course, is against both. At another CPAC event, Boebert said she wants to cut funding for “comprehensive sex ed”, stating it shouldn’t be taught to “any student in a public school”. She’s obviously not the only Republican with this view, conservatives have been increasingly attacking sexual education in schools in recent years and pushing abstinence-only programs. It won’t surprise you to hear that a wealth of evidence shows that abstinence-only programs don’t work. Rather, they’re a great way to generate a lot more 36-year-old grandmothers. Lauren Boebert will be a grandmother at 36. This is what conservatives want for usSomeone I knew in grammar and high school entered the convent/religious life once she graduated high school. In the early 1980s and as a nun, she started helping poor West Virginia women seek legal abortions. My friend knew she would be in trouble with the church once they found out about her helping WV women get a legal abortion. But she continued anyway. The church eventually expelled her from the convent/religious life.
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 37,385
|
Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2023 10:36:21 GMT -5
I thought many laws were like this - In New Jersey, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 16), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape.
I expect the south to be different, but didn't expect Colorado to have such a law that could exploit minors IMO. If i am reading it correctly, the only two differences are that Colorado sets a minimum age at 15 instead of 16 for select circumstances and New Jersey does not prohibit consensual sex between a 16 yr old and another person of any age.
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 37,385
|
Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2023 10:41:29 GMT -5
Access to abortion is one way to reduce teenage pregnancies. (From reply #15) FWIW, this is not true. One must already be pregnant to have an abortion. They do reduce teens giving birth.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 39,591
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Mar 12, 2023 10:43:47 GMT -5
I thought many laws were like this - In New Jersey, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 16), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape.
I expect the south to be different, but didn't expect Colorado to have such a law that could exploit minors IMO. If i am reading it correctly, the only two differences are that Colorado sets a minimum age at 15 instead of 16 for select circumstances and New Jersey does not prohibit consensual sex between a 16 yr old and another person of any age. I don't like the 16 yr old minimum age of consent in NJ but prefer that 15 and 18 is considered a problem versus 15 and 25+ being a problem.
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 37,385
|
Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2023 12:08:09 GMT -5
If i am reading it correctly, the only two differences are that Colorado sets a minimum age at 15 instead of 16 for select circumstances and New Jersey does not prohibit consensual sex between a 16 yr old and another person of any age. I don't like the 16 yr old minimum age of consent in NJ but prefer that 15 and 18 is considered a problem versus 15 and 25+ being a problem. 15 and 18 sounds like it would lead to a lot of high school "but he said he loved me" cases for a prosecutor's office to handle.
|
|
Opti
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 10:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 39,591
Location: New Jersey
Mini-Profile Name Color: c28523
Mini-Profile Text Color: 990033
|
Post by Opti on Mar 12, 2023 12:33:28 GMT -5
I don't like the 16 yr old minimum age of consent in NJ but prefer that 15 and 18 is considered a problem versus 15 and 25+ being a problem. 15 and 18 sounds like it would lead to a lot of high school "but he said he loved me" cases for a prosecutor's office to handle. I'd like to think it's not that common unless things are very different from what I grew up with. Most seniors dated other seniors or sometimes juniors. Not aware of seniors dating sophomores, and except for kids being held back a year there aren't many months one would even be 18 in HS.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,870
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2023 12:35:53 GMT -5
technically 15 and 24, under ten years difference. The law is about criminal behavior. I think two ten year olds having sex need counseling, not prosecution. I think the under ten years law is too extreme a difference. I think under 4 years is more reasonable. Sounds like a bad law as 15 and 24 yrs old 11 months works with the under 10 yr rule. the law is also about what is permissible. i know that is not how it is written, nor how the enforcement institutions work. but it is about how society looks at it.
|
|
Knee Deep in Water Chloe
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 27, 2010 21:04:44 GMT -5
Posts: 13,702
Mini-Profile Name Color: 1980e6
|
Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Mar 12, 2023 12:52:32 GMT -5
In ABSOLUTELY NO WAY am I defending or agreeing with that crazy woman. I DO NOT want Planned Parenthood to be defunded, to close, or to reduce its service.
I do want to put a bit of a different angle on the topic though.
It seems like the stats could be saying that in rural areas pregnant teenagers choose to give birth at a higher rate than pregnant teenagers in urban or suburban areas. In that case, if someone is strictly pro-life, then I can see how they would be proud of that statistic.
That statistic is different than "Hey, our teenagers get pregnant more often than the teenagers over there, and we're proud of that."
Full disclosure: My first pregnancy happened when I was 17.
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 37,385
|
Post by billisonboard on Mar 12, 2023 14:07:34 GMT -5
...Boebert told the audience as she was presented with the Moms for America’s “Mothers Influence Award” on Tuesday ... As she was a teen mother herself who lived the challenges that presents, it would have been great if she had influenced her son to take adequate precautions so as to not put someone else in that position.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,870
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2023 14:46:20 GMT -5
good analysis.
another one would be that rural teens have crap access to abortion, and therefore are forced to live with the consequences of their actions against their better judgment and will.
|
|
Rukh O'Rorke
Junior Associate
Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
Posts: 9,985
|
Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 12, 2023 16:50:25 GMT -5
but wait - so is rural america now ok with premarital sex as long as you don't use birth control or abortion?
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,332
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 12, 2023 17:38:45 GMT -5
Apparently.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,870
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2023 17:57:21 GMT -5
but wait - so is rural america now ok with premarital sex as long as you don't use birth control or abortion? apparently they were always ok with it. which is kind of a sick thing to imagine. but there you have it.
|
|
pulmonarymd
Junior Associate
Joined: Feb 12, 2020 17:40:54 GMT -5
Posts: 7,332
|
Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 12, 2023 18:16:34 GMT -5
They seem to have no problem with 15 yo getting married either
|
|
mollyanna58
Junior Associate
Joined: Jan 5, 2011 13:20:45 GMT -5
Posts: 6,652
|
Post by mollyanna58 on Mar 12, 2023 19:33:16 GMT -5
Any mention of how a 17yo is going to support a family? Or are the happy couple going to be sucking on the government teat?
|
|