tbop77
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 23, 2010 8:24:37 GMT -5
Posts: 2,490
|
Post by tbop77 on Mar 1, 2023 11:31:10 GMT -5
This is going to be so much fun to watch! In a post on his social network platform, the former president targeted the Club for Growth over its supposed determination to back DeSantis against Trump in a theoretical primary matchup next year. "Failed former Congressman David McIntosh and his Globalist friends at Club for No Growth, who fought me all the way in 2016, and LOST, and then fought me again in 2020 Senate Races in Ohio, Alabama, North Carolina, New Hampshire, plus more, and LOST AGAIN, are now threatening to spend money against me early because their new boy, Ron DeSanctus, the man who wants to cut Social Security and MediCare, has dropped so drastically in the Polls to me," Trump wrote. "No Growth Members know there will be RETRIBUTION!!!" www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-threatens-retribution-against-desantis-backers-in-late-night-truth-social-rampage/ar-AA185Nr1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bf4ed56fdb0d4bf0939022753c64db56&ei=14“Ron DeSanctimonious wants to cut your Social Security and Medicare, closed up Florida & its beaches, loves RINOS Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, and Karl Rove (disasters ALL!), is backed by Globalist’s Club for NO Growth, Lincoln Pervert Project, & ’Uninspired’ Koch — And it only gets worse from there,” he said on Truth Social on Feb. 18. “He is a RINO in disguise!, whose Poll numbers are dropping like a rock. Good luck Ron!,” he said. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-desantis-wheelchair-over-the-cliff-kind-of-guy-in-odd-rant/ar-AA183rf0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1b7d14a3e5144b7e87b1d5f880dd41ea&ei=51
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,129
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2023 11:33:43 GMT -5
Let trump and desantis fight it out with swords.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,129
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2023 11:47:56 GMT -5
|
|
andi9899
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 6, 2011 10:22:29 GMT -5
Posts: 30,290
|
Post by andi9899 on Mar 1, 2023 12:03:18 GMT -5
Let trump and desantis fight it out with swords. Agreed. The girls are fighting and I'm here for it.
|
|
busymom
Distinguished Associate
Why is the rum always gone? Oh...that's why.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 21:09:36 GMT -5
Posts: 28,222
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"https://cdn.nickpic.host/images/IPauJ5.jpg","color":""}
Mini-Profile Name Color: 0D317F
Mini-Profile Text Color: 0D317F
|
Post by busymom on Mar 1, 2023 12:03:40 GMT -5
I mentioned this on another thread, but did anyone else catch the articles last night that Trump has pulled ahead of DeSantis in GOP polling? I don't wanna watch the chaos of 2016-2020 happen all over again.
|
|
busymom
Distinguished Associate
Why is the rum always gone? Oh...that's why.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 21:09:36 GMT -5
Posts: 28,222
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"https://cdn.nickpic.host/images/IPauJ5.jpg","color":""}
Mini-Profile Name Color: 0D317F
Mini-Profile Text Color: 0D317F
|
Post by busymom on Mar 1, 2023 12:04:26 GMT -5
Let trump and desantis fight it out with swords. Agreed. The girls are fighting and I'm here for it. I'd prefer a duel. Hamilton-style...
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,875
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 1, 2023 14:05:54 GMT -5
I mentioned this on another thread, but did anyone else catch the articles last night that Trump has pulled ahead of DeSantis in GOP polling? I don't wanna watch the chaos of 2016-2020 happen all over again. i have more faith in the Turkish elections at this point.
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 37,386
|
Post by billisonboard on Mar 1, 2023 20:27:35 GMT -5
I am more concerned about a potential DeSantis presidency happening if he gets the GOP nomination than the choas of another failed Trump run if he gets it.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 20,781
|
Post by happyhoix on Mar 1, 2023 20:47:32 GMT -5
Agreed. The girls are fighting and I'm here for it. I'd prefer a duel. Hamilton-style... Two swords wouldn’t be fair - Trump has to be twice Ron’s age. He’d get decapitated in minutes. Let’s give Trump a sword and Ron a flyswatter. Can Trump hold off on having a heart attack long enough to get a few good swings in? How long would it take to beat a man to death with a flyswatter? Inquiring minds want to know. We can call it the Ron and Don Floriduh Rumble. I’d pay to see it.
|
|
tallguy
Senior Associate
Joined: Apr 2, 2011 19:21:59 GMT -5
Posts: 14,107
|
Post by tallguy on Mar 1, 2023 20:57:39 GMT -5
Agreed. The girls are fighting and I'm here for it. I'd prefer a duel. Hamilton-style... The greatest contribution either could ever make to America would be to kill the other....
|
|
NastyWoman
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 20:50:37 GMT -5
Posts: 14,233
|
Post by NastyWoman on Mar 2, 2023 1:15:03 GMT -5
I mentioned this on another thread, but did anyone else catch the articles last night that Trump has pulled ahead of DeSantis in GOP polling? I don't wanna watch the chaos of 2016-2020 happen all over again. i have more faith in the Turkish elections at this point. What a true but intensely sad statement.
|
|
tbop77
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 23, 2010 8:24:37 GMT -5
Posts: 2,490
|
Post by tbop77 on Mar 2, 2023 9:47:38 GMT -5
I don't see how the GOP stands a chance in 2024 because of the Trump factor. What I hope is DeSantis political career will be over when Trump gets done with him! Remember all the others he destroyed? Fully 28 percent of Republican primary voters are so devoted to the former president that they said they’d support him even if he ran as an independent, according to a national survey last month from The Bulwark and longtime Republican pollster Whit Ayres. Indeed, the “Always Trump” component of the party is so pronounced that it’s affecting how Trump’s opponents operate around him. “If a primary gets too nasty between Trump and DeSantis, I could forsee a chunk refusing to support DeSantis,” the strategist said. www.politico.com/news/2023/02/28/trump-voters-republican-primary-00084652
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,875
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2023 12:50:11 GMT -5
they are assuming Trump will lose the primary. i am not. he might win from jail.
|
|
swamp
Community Leader
Don't be a fool. Call me!
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
Posts: 45,295
|
Post by swamp on Mar 3, 2023 12:16:22 GMT -5
Agreed. The girls are fighting and I'm here for it. I'd prefer a duel. Hamilton-style... I'm sure innocent bystanders would be shot.
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,327
|
Post by thyme4change on Mar 3, 2023 17:56:52 GMT -5
they are assuming Trump will lose the primary. i am not. he might win from jail. He is ahead. He is very far ahead. He is close to 50% with DeSantis at like 30% or something. They better figure out a move if they want Trump to lose the primary. Although, is DeSantis that much better?
|
|
kadee79
Senior Associate
S.W. Ga., zone 8b, out in the boonies!
Joined: Mar 30, 2011 15:12:55 GMT -5
Posts: 10,795
|
Post by kadee79 on Mar 3, 2023 21:58:30 GMT -5
The last poll I saw was something like DT at 47% & DeS at 39%...so not so far apart depending on which poll you look at. And DeSantis is worse than DT, he's a little bit smarter.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,875
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 4, 2023 1:19:30 GMT -5
The last poll I saw was something like DT at 47% & DeS at 39%...so not so far apart depending on which poll you look at. And DeSantis is worse than DT, he's a little bit smarter. he has all of the same bigoted impulses, but he actually WANTS to govern. i agree that he is more dangerous.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,129
|
Post by Tennesseer on Mar 4, 2023 10:29:20 GMT -5
trump cannot be far behind desantis with this great law. OpinionFlorida Is Trying to Take Away the American Right to Speak FreelyA homeowner gets angry at a county commission over a zoning dispute and writes a Facebook post accusing a local buildings official of being in the pocket of developers. A right-wing broadcaster criticizing border policies accuses the secretary of homeland security of being a traitor. A parent upset about the removal of a gay-themed book from library shelves goes to a school board meeting and calls the board chair a bigot and a homophobe. All three are examples of Americans engaging in clamorous but perfectly legal speech about public figures that is broadly protected by the Constitution. The Supreme Court, in a case that dates back nearly 60 years, ruled that even if that speech might be damaging or include errors, it should generally be protected against claims of libel and slander. All three would lose that protection — and be subject to ruinous defamation lawsuits — under a bill that is moving through the Florida House and is based on longstanding goals of Gov. Ron DeSantis. The bill represents a dangerous threat to free expression in the United States, not only for the news media, but for all Americans, whatever their political beliefs. There’s still time for Florida lawmakers to reject this crude pandering and ensure that their constituents retain the right to free speech. “This isn’t just a press issue,” said Bobby Block, executive director of Florida’s First Amendment Foundation. “This is a death-to-public-discourse bill. Everyone, even conservatives, would have to second-guess themselves whenever they open their mouths to speak or sit in front of a keyboard.” The bill is an explicit effort to eviscerate a 1964 Supreme Court decision, The New York Times Company v. Sullivan. This bulwark of First Amendment law requires public figures to prove a news organization engaged in what the court called “actual malice” to win a defamation case. By preventing lawsuits based on unintentional mistakes, the decision freed news organizations to pursue vigorous reporting about public officials without fear of paying damages. The decision has even been applied by lower courts to bloggers and other speakers who make allegations about public figures. Many conservatives, including Mr. DeSantis, have long chafed at the freedom that this decision gives to a news industry they consider to be too liberal. The new bill embodies that antagonism. It would sharply limit the definition of public figures, eliminating public employees like police officers from the category, even if they become public figures because of their actions. It would change the definition of actual malice to include any allegation that is “inherently improbable” — an impossibly vague standard — or that is based on what it calls an “unverified” statement by an anonymous source. In fact, it says that all anonymous statements, a crucial tool for investigative reporting, are “presumptively false” for the purposes of a defamation case. Anonymous sources were the basis for much of The Washington Post’s coverage of Watergate and The Times’s exposure of the Bush administration’s domestic eavesdropping program in 2005, among many other examples of journalism with significant impact. Under the bill, a public figure would no longer need to show actual malice to win a defamation case if the allegation against the figure wasn’t related to the reason for the person’s public status. So if a person is publicly known for being elected president or governor, and a news organization publishes an investigation about that person’s private or business life unrelated to elected office, that report would not get the special liability protection provided by the Sullivan decision. The bill goes much further than this attempt to hobble the press. It makes it clear that the new defamation rules would also apply to any single “utterance on the internet,” which could mean a tweet or a Facebook post written by anyone, or “any one presentation to an audience,” which could include statements made at school board hearings and other public meetings. In a direct attack on a key aspect of free expression, it says that whenever someone is accused of discriminating against others on the basis of race, gender or sexual orientation, that accusation is automatically considered enough to sue for defamation. Any person accused of bigotry based on sexual orientation or gender identity could file a defamation lawsuit and be virtually guaranteed of winning by saying the discrimination was based on personal religious or scientific beliefs. The penalty for calling someone a bigot would be a minimum of $35,000. Mr. DeSantis, who appears to be preparing for a 2024 presidential campaign, has been railing against press freedoms for several years in a clear appeal to likely Republican primary voters. The bill was recently introduced in the Florida House by one of his allies and has a strong chance of passage; a similar if slightly milder version was filed in the State Senate. If enacted, the House bill would almost instantly be challenged in court, but its backers are counting on that. In public statements, they have said they want the bill to be used as a vehicle to get the Supreme Court to overturn New York Times v. Sullivan and have noted that two justices, Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch, have called on the court to reconsider that decision. The current court has repeatedly demonstrated that it can’t be counted on to respect long-term precedents that are widely supported by the public. There may be room for discussion on the precise definition of “public figure,” which has been interpreted in various ways by the Supreme Court and lower courts over the past six decades. Even Justice Elena Kagan, in a 1993 journal article long before she joined the court, expressed interest in determining whether the term had been too broadly defined in the years after Sullivan, though she applauded the overall decision. A sledgehammer bill like the one in Florida, however, wielded for transparent political reasons, would create enormous damage on the way to the high court, particularly if other states decide to copy its language. In 1964, Justice William J. Brennan Jr., who wrote the court’s opinion, said it was based on “the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust and wide open.” That may well include, he wrote, “vehement, caustic and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials.” That principle has not changed through the decades, and any citizen who treasures the right to speak freely should resist politicians like Mr. DeSantis who want to silence them. Florida Is Trying to Take Away the American Right to Speak Freely
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,327
|
Post by thyme4change on Mar 4, 2023 12:09:03 GMT -5
Can the democrats weapon use that to make everyone unhappy?
You say that Hillary Clinton is killing people💥- illegal. Hollywood is trafficking children💥- illegal. There is a sex ring in the basement of a pizza place💥- illegal. Biden has dementia 💥- illegal. AOC is a communist 💥- illegal. Accusing Drag queens of being groomers 💥- illegal. George Siri’s or Bill Gates putting trackers in vaccines or any of the other insane conspiracy theories involving them 💥- illegal. I could go on and on here - but it seems we could shut down Q and seriously limit media like NewsMax (and probably CNN).
Maybe they will amend the bill after seeing what “free speech” is coming from the conservatives.
|
|
tbop77
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 23, 2010 8:24:37 GMT -5
Posts: 2,490
|
Post by tbop77 on Mar 4, 2023 17:08:49 GMT -5
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 37,386
|
Post by billisonboard on Mar 4, 2023 18:38:05 GMT -5
DeSantis is only 44 so there certainly isn't a time crunch. Trump doesn't get elected in 2024 and DeSantis is in great shape in 2028 or even another few cycles.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,875
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 4, 2023 19:56:31 GMT -5
he worries me more than about 90% of Trump's other potential rivals. he worries me because i think his chances of winning are good.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 20,781
|
Post by happyhoix on Mar 4, 2023 22:11:15 GMT -5
I saw a poll this week that showed a Trump vs Biden contest would have Biden as the winner. A Biden vs DeSantis run would have DeSantis as the winner. If they were smart, they would run DeSantis. But they’ve proven to be the opposite of smart. And Trump really, really needs to win if he has any hope of strong arming away the various lawsuits against him.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 20,781
|
Post by happyhoix on Mar 4, 2023 22:13:42 GMT -5
Saw another article that said Trumps refusal to pay for the venues and extra police coverage for his 2020 campaign is now biting him in the ass, as he’s stuck holding rallies on the outskirts of cities in smaller venues like fair grounds.
Karma.
|
|
tbop77
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 23, 2010 8:24:37 GMT -5
Posts: 2,490
|
Post by tbop77 on Mar 7, 2023 9:52:56 GMT -5
|
|
Cheesy FL-Vol
Junior Associate
"Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing." -- Helen Keller
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 16:13:50 GMT -5
Posts: 6,663
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":""}
|
Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Mar 7, 2023 12:06:25 GMT -5
One of these days, someone is going to show up at a press conference or photo op with a nose-wide mustache.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 20,781
|
Post by happyhoix on Mar 8, 2023 10:26:30 GMT -5
Trump supposedly spent two days vetting different cruel names to label DeSantis with. Tiny D was one of them.
If he had any actual political handlers trying to advise him they would say a better use of his time would be to come up with a platform to run on - but he never did before so why bother.
I keep hoping a GOPer with balls will stand up and run an aggressive anti Trump campaign, but so far, they all seem too scared.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,875
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 9, 2023 12:35:06 GMT -5
i bet that Erdogan and DeSantis would get along beautifully.
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,327
|
Post by thyme4change on Mar 9, 2023 16:16:12 GMT -5
One of these days, someone is going to show up at a press conference or photo op with a nose-wide mustache. Newt helped make this bed, now he has to suck his own dick in it.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 74,875
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Mar 9, 2023 18:35:04 GMT -5
there is a libertarian strain in the GOP. if it were to splinter off from the fascist contingent, that would be extremely welcome.
|
|