fox news: view truth/real reporting as a "brand threat"

[Rukh O'Rorke]

www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/media/fox-news-stars-executives-court-documents/index.html

In multiple instances, Fox News executives and hosts expressed worry over the matter and started to crack down on those at the network who fact-checked election lies — even as the messages show that Fox News’ chief political anchor, Bret Baier, pushed for such fact checks. In one case, after White House correspondent Jacqui Heinrich fact-checked a Trump tweet pushing election fraud, Carlson said he wanted her fired.



“Please get her fired,” Carlson told Hannity over text message. “Seriously … what the f**k? I’m actually shocked … It needs to stop immediately, like tonight. It’s measurably hurting the company.”



Hannity replied that he had already spoken to Suzanne Scott, the network’s chief executive. The next morning, Heinrich’s tweet had been deleted.

In another case, when host Neil Cavuto cut away from a White House press briefing where election misinformation was being promoted, senior Fox News leadership were told such a move presented a “brand threat.”

[djAdvocate]

Feb 17, 2023 12:22:16 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/media/fox-news-stars-executives-court-documents/index.html

In multiple instances, Fox News executives and hosts expressed worry over the matter and started to crack down on those at the network who fact-checked election lies — even as the messages show that Fox News’ chief political anchor, Bret Baier, pushed for such fact checks. In one case, after White House correspondent Jacqui Heinrich fact-checked a Trump tweet pushing election fraud, Carlson said he wanted her fired.



“Please get her fired,” Carlson told Hannity over text message. “Seriously … what the f**k? I’m actually shocked … It needs to stop immediately, like tonight. It’s measurably hurting the company.”



Hannity replied that he had already spoken to Suzanne Scott, the network’s chief executive. The next morning, Heinrich’s tweet had been deleted.

In another case, when host Neil Cavuto cut away from a White House press briefing where election misinformation was being promoted, senior Fox News leadership were told such a move presented a “brand threat.”

an open confession.  they are not only lying, they know they are lying, and do whatever they can to make sure that nobody in their cult knows they are lying.

edit: the media used to boast about having Ombudsmen.  what would FOX do with one?

[pulmonarymd]

We don't need you using your fancy words is what they would say

[happyhoix]

Fox was concerned about losing the MAGA audience to Newsmax, which was quickly gaining viewers at the time.

So they publicly supported the Big Lie while behind the scenes the execs and on air talent (including Tucker Carlson) rolled their eyes at which a crock of shit it was.

Fox News - fair and balanced?

I doubt this matters to the hard core Fox viewers, though.

[Tiny]

Isn't this a stark reminder that Fox News is entertainment and doesn't report actual news or facts? 

 

[Tennesseer]

A shame the poster value buy hasn't posted here since the FBI search of Mar-a-lago for top secret records.  He was such a Fox and trump supporter and promoter.  I wonder what he thinks of them now.

[thyme4change]

Feb 18, 2023 13:24:54 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

A shame the poster value buy hasn't posted here since the FBI search of Mar-a-lago for top secret records.  He was such a Fox and trump supporter and promoter.  I wonder what he thinks of them now.

Surely, this story is an exaggerated tale by CNN. Nothing to see here.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 18, 2023 9:44:54 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Fox was concerned about losing the MAGA audience to Newsmax, which was quickly gaining viewers at the time.

So they publicly supported the Big Lie while behind the scenes the execs and on air talent (including Tucker Carlson) rolled their eyes at which a crock of shit it was.

Fox News - fair and balanced?

I doubt this matters to the hard core Fox viewers, though.

this reminds me of what happened to the GOP.  because they don't want to get "primaried out" they are getting more and more extreme.

i think we need to eliminate primaries.  we need to go straight to the general election, and then have either RCV or a runoff.  our election system is pushing us toward a civil war or fascism.

[billisonboard]

Feb 19, 2023 13:59:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 18, 2023 9:44:54 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Fox was concerned about losing the MAGA audience to Newsmax, which was quickly gaining viewers at the time.

So they publicly supported the Big Lie while behind the scenes the execs and on air talent (including Tucker Carlson) rolled their eyes at which a crock of shit it was.

Fox News - fair and balanced?

I doubt this matters to the hard core Fox viewers, though.

this reminds me of what happened to the GOP.  because they don't want to get "primaried out" they are getting more and more extreme.

i think we need to eliminate primaries.  we need to go straight to the general election, and then have either RCV or a runoff.  our election system is pushing us toward a civil war or fascism.

The would be in the details of ballot access for starting with just a general election. Ranked Choice Voting (RCV) would be a nightmare with a large number of candidates from which to choose. If there were a top two runoff from a large slate, it would be very possible for extreme candidates to fill those positions with a small percentage. I like the Alaska system. Top four vote getters out of an all comers primary and then RCV in the general.

[tallguy]

Feb 19, 2023 14:16:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Feb 19, 2023 13:59:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this reminds me of what happened to the GOP.  because they don't want to get "primaried out" they are getting more and more extreme.

i think we need to eliminate primaries.  we need to go straight to the general election, and then have either RCV or a runoff.  our election system is pushing us toward a civil war or fascism.

The would be in the details of ballot access for starting with just a general election. Ranked Choice Voting (RCV) would be a nightmare with a large number of candidates from which to choose. If there were a top two runoff from a large slate, it would be very possible for extreme candidates to fill those positions with a small percentage. I like the Alaska system. Top four vote getters out of an all comers primary and then RCV in the general.

Good thing Sarah Palin doesn't read this board.  You would be defending that comment for YEARS!   

[djAdvocate]

for the record, i like the Alaska system, as well.

[Tennesseer]

Palin will be battling MTG to be Trump's VP if he wins the primaries.  Should be an interesting fight.

[dondub]

Feb 19, 2023 19:10:45 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Palin will be battling MTG to be Trump's VP if he wins the primaries.  Should be an interesting fight.

Throw in Skari Flake and Nimrata Haley and stage a 4 person mud wrestle. MAGA would eat that up!

[happyhoix]

So on the heels of this Fox revelation, McCarthy hands 41,000 hours of J6 video footage off to Fox - and ONLY to Fox.

McCarthy apparently made some hand shake deal with the far righties when he was trying to become speaker, agreeing to release this footage - but to the media, not exclusively to Fox.

Hopefully some other media group sues Fox to also get to see it.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mccarthy-blasted-for-handing-over-41-000-hours-of-j6-video-to-liar-tucker-carlson/ar-AA17J3Hi?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e9e12b4b2ee047ad8a16641e859ef0f7

[Tennesseer]

Time for some House rep to step forward to begin ousting McCarthy from his speakership.  Wasn't that one of the deals McCarthy made to get the job?.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Feb 20, 2023 21:33:56 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Time for some House rep to step forward to begin ousting McCarthy from his speakership.  Wasn't that one of the deals McCarthy made to get the job?.

MTG perhaps? 

[Tennesseer]

Feb 20, 2023 20:56:40 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So on the heels of this Fox revelation, McCarthy hands 41,000 hours of J6 video footage off to Fox - and ONLY to Fox.

McCarthy apparently made some hand shake deal with the far righties when he was trying to become speaker, agreeing to release this footage - but to the media, not exclusively to Fox.

Hopefully some other media group sues Fox to also get to see it.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mccarthy-blasted-for-handing-over-41-000-hours-of-j6-video-to-liar-tucker-carlson/ar-AA17J3Hi?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e9e12b4b2ee047ad8a16641e859ef0f7

[Tennesseer]

OPINION

Why Fox News Lied to the Viewers It ‘Respects’

There are some stories that are important enough to pause the news cycle and linger on them, to explore not just what happened, but why. And so it is with Fox News’s role in the events leading up to Jan. 6, 2021. Thanks to a recent filing by Dominion Voting Systems in its defamation lawsuit against Fox, there is now compelling evidence that America’s most-watched cable news network presented information it knew to be false as part of an effort to placate an angry audience. It knowingly sacrificed its integrity to maintain its market share.

Why? There are the obvious reasons: Money. Power. Fame. These are universal human temptations. But the answer goes deeper. Fox News became a juggernaut not simply by being “Republican,” or “conservative,” but by offering its audience something it craved even more deeply: representation. And journalism centered on representation ultimately isn’t journalism at all.

To understand the Fox News phenomenon, one has to understand the place it occupies in Red America. It’s no mere source of news. It’s the place where Red America goes to feel seen and heard. If there’s an important good news story in Red America, the first call is to Fox. If conservative Christians face a threat to their civil liberties, the first call is to Fox. If you’re a conservative celebrity and you need to sell a book, the first call is to Fox.

And Fox takes those calls. In the time before Donald Trump, I spent my share of moments in Fox green rooms and pitching stories to Fox producers. I knew they were more interested in stories about, say, religious liberty than most mainstream media outlets were. I knew they loved human-interest stories about virtuous veterans and cops. Sometimes this was good — we need more coverage of religion in America, for example — but over time Fox morphed into something well beyond a news network.

Fox isn’t just the news hub of right-wing America, it’s a cultural cornerstone, and its business model is so successful that it’s more accurate to think of the rest of the right-wing media universe not as a collection of competitors to Fox, but rather as imitators. From television channels to news sites, right-wing personalities aren’t so much competing with Fox as auditioning for it.

Take, for example, the online space. Fox News is so dominant that, according to data from December, you could take the total traffic of the next 19 conservative websites combined, and still not reach half of Fox’s audience.

But that kind of loyalty is built around a social compact, the profound and powerful sense in Red America that Fox is for us. It’s our megaphone to the culture. Yet when Fox created this compact, it placed the audience in charge of its content.

During the Trump years, Fox faithfully upheld its end of the bargain. If you were Republican and felt embattled for supporting Donald Trump, a quick visit to Fox (especially in prime time) would calm your mind and soothe your soul. There you’d be reminded that the Democrats are the real radicals. That the Democrats are the true threat to America. And if you voted for Trump even though you were uncomfortable with some of his conduct, it was only because “they” forced your hand.

As the Trump years wore on, the prime-time messaging became more blatant. Supporting Trump became a marker not just of patriotism, but also of courage. And what of conservatives, like myself, who opposed Trump? We were “cowards” or “grifters” who sold our souls for 30 pieces of silver and airtime on MSNBC.

Our disagreement was cast as an act of outright betrayal. People like me had allegedly turned our backs on our own community. We had failed in our obligation to be their voice.

So you can start to understand the shock when, on Election Day in 2020, Fox News accurately, if arguably prematurely, called Arizona for Joe Biden. It broke the social compact. By presuming the fairness of the election and by declaring Joe Biden the winner of a previously red state, Fox sent a message to its own audience — an audience that had been primed to mistrust election results by Trump and by reports on Fox News — that it did not hear them. It did not see them.

In the emails and texts highlighted in the Dominion filing, you see Fox News figures, including Sean Hannity and Suzanne Scott and Lachlan Murdoch, referring to the need to “respect” the audience. To be clear, by “respect” they didn’t mean “tell the truth” — an act of genuine respect. Instead they meant “represent.”

Representation can have its place. Fox’s deep connection with its conservative audience means that it can be ahead of the rest of the media on stories that affect red states and red culture.

But there is a difference between coming from a community and speaking for a community. In journalism, the former can be valuable, but the latter can be corrupt. It can result in audience capture (writing to please your audience, not challenge it) and in fear and timidity in reporting facts that contradict popular narratives. And in extreme instances — such as what we witnessed from Fox News after the 2020 presidential election — it can result in almost cartoonish villainy.

There are courageous reporters at Fox. We learned some of their names in the Dominion filing. They were the people who had the courage to tell the truth. But then there are the leaders, and the prime-time stars. Tough? Courageous? Hardly. When push comes to shove, they embody the possibly apocryphal remark of the French revolutionary Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin: “There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader.” And follow them they did, straight into a morass of lies and conspiracy theories that should undermine Fox’s credibility for years to come.

Why Fox News Lied to the Viewers It ‘Respects’

[Tennesseer]

Murdoch Acknowledges Fox News Hosts Endorsed Election Fraud Falsehoods
The conservative media mogul made the remarks under oath last month in a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox by Dominion Voting Systems.

Rupert Murdoch, chairman of the conservative media empire that owns Fox News, acknowledged in a deposition that several hosts for his networks promoted the false narrative that the election in 2020 was stolen from former President Donald J. Trump, court documents released on Monday showed.

“They endorsed,” Mr. Murdoch said under oath in response to direct questions about the hosts Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro, Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo, a legal filing by Dominion Voting Systems said. “I would have liked us to be stronger in denouncing it in hindsight.”

Mr. Murdoch’s remarks, which he made last month as part of the $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox by Dominion, added to the evidence that Dominion has accumulated in an attempt to prove its central allegation: The people running the country’s most popular news network knew Mr. Trump’s claims of voter fraud during the 2020 election were false but broadcast them anyway.

The filing helps fill in the broader case against Fox News and its corporate parent, Fox Corporation, that Dominion lawyers hope to present to a jury in April, when a Delaware judge has scheduled the trial to begin.

A Fox News spokeswoman said on Monday in response to the filing that Dominion’s view of defamation law took “an extreme, unsupported view of defamation law that would prevent journalists from basic reporting.”

Since Dominion sued in early 2021, it has argued that Fox chose ratings and profit over its journalistic obligation to tell viewers the truth.

Using text messages and emails sent by Fox employees and prominent hosts like Mr. Hannity and Tucker Carlson in the weeks after the election, Dominion has pieced together a dramatic account from inside the network, depicting a frantic scramble to woo back viewers after ratings collapsed.

On election night, Fox News was the first news outlet to declare Joseph R. Biden Jr. the winner of Arizona — effectively projecting that he would become the next president. With Mr. Trump refusing to concede that he had lost, he and his supporters turned against Fox, and the network’s ratings fell. Soon, many of the most popular hosts and shows on Fox began promoting the outlandish claims that Dominion machines were an integral part of a far-reaching voter fraud conspiracy to deny Mr. Trump a second term.

The filing on Monday also included a deposition by Viet Dinh, Fox’s chief legal officer. After Mr. Hannity told his audience on Nov. 5, 2020, that it would be “impossible to ever know the true, fair, accurate election results,” Mr. Dinh said, he remarked to Lachlan Murdoch; the chief executive of Fox News Media, Suzanne Scott; and Fox’s top communications officer, Irena Briganti: “Hannity is getting awfully close to the line with his commentary and guests tonight.”

In his deposition, Mr. Dinh, when asked if Fox executives had an obligation to stop hosts of shows from broadcasting lies, said: “Yes, to prevent and correct known falsehoods.”

Lawyers for Fox, which filed its response to Dominion in court on Monday, have argued that its broadcasts after the election did not amount to defamation because they were protected under the First Amendment. In court filings, Fox has defended its commentary and reporting as the kind of work that any journalistic outfit would do by covering events and newsmakers that are indisputably newsworthy.

“A reasonable viewer would have readily understood that hosts were not espousing the President’s allegations themselves, but were providing a forum for the principal architects of those legal challenges,” Fox lawyers said in a brief filed this month.

If its broadcasts did not present any of the fraud allegations as true, the network has argued, “there is no potential for defamation at all.”

Ultimately, the case is likely to revolve around questions about the intent of Fox hosts when they gave pro-Trump election deniers like Ms. Powell and Mr. Giuliani a platform and, in many cases, mustered no pushback as their guests falsely and repeatedly implicated Dominion in a plot to disenfranchise tens of millions of Trump voters.

Fox lawyers have pointed to instances on the air when hosts did challenge these claims and pressed Ms. Powell and Mr. Giuliani to present evidence that never materialized. At other times, Fox has argued, the hosts were plainly expressing their opinions, or used language that was “loose” and “figurative” and therefore protected under the First Amendment.

But Dominion has said the actions of Fox hosts including Mr. Carlson, Mr. Hannity, Ms. Bartiromo and Mr. Dobbs — and the producers and executives overseeing their programs — were anything but a dispassionate recitation of newsworthy claims of fraud. Rather, Dominion has argued, the internal communications it has uncovered point to how Fox employees behaved with “actual malice” — the legal standard required to prove defamation.

There are two ways to meet that high legal bar, by showing that defendants either knew what they were saying was false or acted with such haste and disregard for the truth that they overlooked obvious facts to the contrary.

In a brief filed in court this month, Dominion lawyers revealed private text messages and emails that showed hosts including Mr. Carlson repeatedly insulting and mocking Trump advisers like Ms. Powell.

“Sidney Powell is lying by the way. I caught her. It’s insane,” Mr. Carlson wrote on Nov. 18, 2020, to Laura Ingraham, who hosts the prime-time Fox News show that airs after his.

Ms. Ingraham responded: “Sidney is a complete nut. No one will work with her. Ditto with Rudy.”

Mr. Carlson continued, “Our viewers are good people and they believe it,” making it clear that he did not.


Murdoch Acknowledges Fox News Hosts Endorsed Election Fraud Falsehoods

[Tennesseer]

And it just gets worse. Hannity is a coward.

BREAKING: Murdoch Said Hannity Was ‘Privately Disgusted’ By Trump — But ‘Scared to Lose Viewers’, According to New Court Filing

Dominion Voting Systems’ latest bombshell court filing was made public Monday, ahead of the April trial for the company’s $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News.

In one stunning revelation, Rupert Murdoch, the CEO and chairman of Fox Corporation, replied in an email to former House Speaker and Fox Corp. board member Paul Ryan that veteran host Sean Hannity “has been privately disgusted by Trump for weeks.” The exchange regarded Trump’s spreading of election lies following his November 2020 defeat to Joe Biden.

The voting technology company is suing Fox News, alleging the network knowingly aired election lies and conspiracy theories about the 2020 presidential election — falsely implicating Dominion.

“Executives at all levels of Fox — both (Fox News Network) and (Fox Corporation) — knowingly opened Fox’s airwaves to false conspiracy theories about Dominion,” Dominion wrote in the unsealed filing Monday.

The filing details internal discussions regarding election conspiracy theories being discussed at the highest level of the network:

On January 12, Ryan discussed with Rupert and Lachlan an article called “The Alternate Reality Machine” about how “the right-wing media ecosystem created an alternative reality for those who had come to rely on its outlets for news” and were the “enablers” of January 6. Ex.620, Ryan 331:18-334:4; Ex.666. Ryan believed that “some high percentage of Americans” thought the election was stolen “because they got a diet of information telling them the election was stolen from what they believe were credible sources.” Ex.620, Ryan 334:6-15.

“Rupert responded to Ryan’s email: ‘Thanks Paul. Wake-up call for Hannity, who has been privately disgusted by Trump for weeks, but was scared to lose viewers,’” the filing added.

Rest of article here: BREAKING: Murdoch Said Hannity Was ‘Privately Disgusted’ By Trump — But ‘Scared to Lose Viewers’, According to New Court Filing

[dondub]

Feb 27, 2023 18:09:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Murdoch Acknowledges Fox News Hosts Endorsed Election Fraud Falsehoods
The conservative media mogul made the remarks under oath last month in a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox by Dominion Voting Systems.

Rupert Murdoch, chairman of the conservative media empire that owns Fox News, acknowledged in a deposition that several hosts for his networks promoted the false narrative that the election in 2020 was stolen from former President Donald J. Trump, court documents released on Monday showed.

“They endorsed,” Mr. Murdoch said under oath in response to direct questions about the hosts Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro, Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo, a legal filing by Dominion Voting Systems said. “I would have liked us to be stronger in denouncing it in hindsight.”

Mr. Murdoch’s remarks, which he made last month as part of the $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox by Dominion, added to the evidence that Dominion has accumulated in an attempt to prove its central allegation: The people running the country’s most popular news network knew Mr. Trump’s claims of voter fraud during the 2020 election were false but broadcast them anyway.

The filing helps fill in the broader case against Fox News and its corporate parent, Fox Corporation, that Dominion lawyers hope to present to a jury in April, when a Delaware judge has scheduled the trial to begin.

A Fox News spokeswoman said on Monday in response to the filing that Dominion’s view of defamation law took “an extreme, unsupported view of defamation law that would prevent journalists from basic reporting.”

Since Dominion sued in early 2021, it has argued that Fox chose ratings and profit over its journalistic obligation to tell viewers the truth.

Using text messages and emails sent by Fox employees and prominent hosts like Mr. Hannity and Tucker Carlson in the weeks after the election, Dominion has pieced together a dramatic account from inside the network, depicting a frantic scramble to woo back viewers after ratings collapsed.

On election night, Fox News was the first news outlet to declare Joseph R. Biden Jr. the winner of Arizona — effectively projecting that he would become the next president. With Mr. Trump refusing to concede that he had lost, he and his supporters turned against Fox, and the network’s ratings fell. Soon, many of the most popular hosts and shows on Fox began promoting the outlandish claims that Dominion machines were an integral part of a far-reaching voter fraud conspiracy to deny Mr. Trump a second term.

The filing on Monday also included a deposition by Viet Dinh, Fox’s chief legal officer. After Mr. Hannity told his audience on Nov. 5, 2020, that it would be “impossible to ever know the true, fair, accurate election results,” Mr. Dinh said, he remarked to Lachlan Murdoch; the chief executive of Fox News Media, Suzanne Scott; and Fox’s top communications officer, Irena Briganti: “Hannity is getting awfully close to the line with his commentary and guests tonight.”

In his deposition, Mr. Dinh, when asked if Fox executives had an obligation to stop hosts of shows from broadcasting lies, said: “Yes, to prevent and correct known falsehoods.”

Lawyers for Fox, which filed its response to Dominion in court on Monday, have argued that its broadcasts after the election did not amount to defamation because they were protected under the First Amendment. In court filings, Fox has defended its commentary and reporting as the kind of work that any journalistic outfit would do by covering events and newsmakers that are indisputably newsworthy.

“A reasonable viewer would have readily understood that hosts were not espousing the President’s allegations themselves, but were providing a forum for the principal architects of those legal challenges,” Fox lawyers said in a brief filed this month.

If its broadcasts did not present any of the fraud allegations as true, the network has argued, “there is no potential for defamation at all.”

Ultimately, the case is likely to revolve around questions about the intent of Fox hosts when they gave pro-Trump election deniers like Ms. Powell and Mr. Giuliani a platform and, in many cases, mustered no pushback as their guests falsely and repeatedly implicated Dominion in a plot to disenfranchise tens of millions of Trump voters.

Fox lawyers have pointed to instances on the air when hosts did challenge these claims and pressed Ms. Powell and Mr. Giuliani to present evidence that never materialized. At other times, Fox has argued, the hosts were plainly expressing their opinions, or used language that was “loose” and “figurative” and therefore protected under the First Amendment.

But Dominion has said the actions of Fox hosts including Mr. Carlson, Mr. Hannity, Ms. Bartiromo and Mr. Dobbs — and the producers and executives overseeing their programs — were anything but a dispassionate recitation of newsworthy claims of fraud. Rather, Dominion has argued, the internal communications it has uncovered point to how Fox employees behaved with “actual malice” — the legal standard required to prove defamation.

There are two ways to meet that high legal bar, by showing that defendants either knew what they were saying was false or acted with such haste and disregard for the truth that they overlooked obvious facts to the contrary.

In a brief filed in court this month, Dominion lawyers revealed private text messages and emails that showed hosts including Mr. Carlson repeatedly insulting and mocking Trump advisers like Ms. Powell.

“Sidney Powell is lying by the way. I caught her. It’s insane,” Mr. Carlson wrote on Nov. 18, 2020, to Laura Ingraham, who hosts the prime-time Fox News show that airs after his.

Ms. Ingraham responded: “Sidney is a complete nut. No one will work with her. Ditto with Rudy.”

Mr. Carlson continued, “Our viewers are good people and they believe it,” making it clear that he did not.


Murdoch Acknowledges Fox News Hosts Endorsed Election Fraud Falsehoods

Mr. Murdoch endorsed these lies about the election. Buck stops with you Aushole.

[djAdvocate]

this seems like an open and shut case, but it probably isn't.  there is still a narrow window here about whether there was malicious intent.  they might argue it was all for ratings.  i am not sure that equals defamation.

[billisonboard]

Feb 28, 2023 12:56:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this seems like an open and shut case, but it probably isn't.  there is still a narrow window here about whether there was malicious intent.  they might argue it was all for ratings.  i am not sure that equals defamation.

That is a scary thought for this case and the future:

Witness: "We aired the story because our market analysis suggested that if we said 'x' about person/company 'y', it would increase our ratings."
Attorney: "Did you consider whether it was true or not?"
Witness: "Ratings were our sole concern therefore that was not a part of our analysis."
Attorney: "Did you consider any impact on person/company 'y'"?
Witness: "Again, ratings were our sole concern therefore that was not a part of our analysis either."

[tbop77]

Let me leave you with what Trump is up against. He’s not up against DeSantis or Nikki Haley or Mike Pompeo. He’s up against Ken Griffin and Mitch McConnell and Murdoch. Okay. They have deemed if he wins the primary, they’re going to work for the Democrats, just like they worked for Hillary Clinton. I was there. I can tell you they were in Clinton’s camp the entire way. All they are is about money.



And the only people can stop them on the face of the earth are you, you, and you. MAGA, MAGA, MAGA. Remember. Murdoch, you’ve deemed Trump’s not going to be president. Well, we’ve deemed that you’re not going to have a network! Because we’re going to fight you every step of the way.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cpac-crowd-stands-and-cheers-as-raging-steve-bannon-vows-to-bring-down-fox-news-we-re-going-to-fight-you-every-step-of-the-way/ar-AA18cqic?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2c7aca7148344d6387c26d5f51d7d2b7&ei=11

Poor Fox News!  

Oh, hear is the funny line from his speech in the link:


Bannon went after the Murdoch family more than once, calling the billionaire an “oligarch” and bashing the family as “a bunch of foreigners” who’ve given America “nothing.”

[Tennesseer]

[djAdvocate]

Mar 4, 2023 7:39:40 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Let me leave you with what Trump is up against. He’s not up against DeSantis or Nikki Haley or Mike Pompeo. He’s up against Ken Griffin and Mitch McConnell and Murdoch. Okay. They have deemed if he wins the primary, they’re going to work for the Democrats, just like they worked for Hillary Clinton. I was there. I can tell you they were in Clinton’s camp the entire way. All they are is about money.



And the only people can stop them on the face of the earth are you, you, and you. MAGA, MAGA, MAGA. Remember. Murdoch, you’ve deemed Trump’s not going to be president. Well, we’ve deemed that you’re not going to have a network! Because we’re going to fight you every step of the way.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cpac-crowd-stands-and-cheers-as-raging-steve-bannon-vows-to-bring-down-fox-news-we-re-going-to-fight-you-every-step-of-the-way/ar-AA18cqic?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2c7aca7148344d6387c26d5f51d7d2b7&ei=11

Poor Fox News!  

Oh, hear is the funny line from his speech in the link:


Bannon went after the Murdoch family more than once, calling the billionaire an “oligarch” and bashing the family as “a bunch of foreigners” who’ve given America “nothing.”

keep in mind that he already beat Murdoch once.  Murdoch then fell right in line and went all in on MAGA.

[Tennesseer]

Fox News cut out Trump saying he might let Russia take over areas of Ukraine as part of peace deal

Fox News cut out comments by former President Donald Trump in which he said he would have considered letting Russia have parts of Ukraine as part of a peace deal between the nations.

In an interview on Fox News host Sean Hannity's radio show on Monday, which is not broadcast by Fox, Trump revealed how he would try and broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine in the wake of Russia's invasion last year.

Trump has claimed he can quickly bring an end to the war as he seeks election again in 2024.

In the interview, he boasted of how Russia would not have dared to launch an attack during his presidency, and added: "I could have negotiated. At worst, I could've made a deal to take over something, there are certain areas that are Russian-speaking areas, frankly, but you could've worked a deal."

The Daily Beast's Justin Baragona reported that when Hannity played excerpts from the interview later that day on his prime time Fox News show, the part where Trump suggests he may have backed an agreement handing parts of Ukraine to Russia was edited out, with the excerpt cutting out after Trump says "I could've negotiated."

Fox pointed Insider to the fact that the Trump comments were part of a 22-minute radio interview on a separate platform that was edited down to a 2 minute clip as part of the usual editorial process.

Russia annexed swaths of east Ukraine and the Crimea peninsula in 2014, two years before Trump became president, and last year launched a wider invasion aimed at toppling the Ukrainian government in Kyiv.

The annexations and invasion have been condemned as illegal by the international community, and Ukraine says that the only conditions under which it would negotiate were if Russia withdrew from its territory.

Trump last year praised Putin for being "smart" in seeking to invade Ukraine, and declaring large swaths of it "independent" as a prelude to illegally annexing it.

Trump has long drawn criticism for his refusal to criticise Russian aggression, as well as his comments about its authoritarian president, Vladimir Putin.

As president, he famously sided with Putin at a 2018 summit in questioning his own intelligence agencies' assessment that Russia had meddled in the 2016 election. He was impeached in 2019 over allegations that he threatened to withhold military aid to Ukraine unless it dug up dirt on his political rival Joe Biden.

For two years, Trump was investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller amid claims he had conspired with Russia to win in 2016. Mueller found insufficient evidence to substantiate the claim.

Trump has also repeatedly threatened to withdraw from NATO, the defense treaty that forms the main Western bulwark against Russian aggression.

Fox News cut out Trump saying he might let Russia take over areas of Ukraine as part of peace deal

[djAdvocate]

yes, it is true.  because Trump wasn't in office and Biden didn't pull a Chamberlain, Russia took Door Number 2.

and?

[thyme4change]

Mar 4, 2023 13:40:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Mar 4, 2023 7:39:40 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Let me leave you with what Trump is up against. He’s not up against DeSantis or Nikki Haley or Mike Pompeo. He’s up against Ken Griffin and Mitch McConnell and Murdoch. Okay. They have deemed if he wins the primary, they’re going to work for the Democrats, just like they worked for Hillary Clinton. I was there. I can tell you they were in Clinton’s camp the entire way. All they are is about money.



And the only people can stop them on the face of the earth are you, you, and you. MAGA, MAGA, MAGA. Remember. Murdoch, you’ve deemed Trump’s not going to be president. Well, we’ve deemed that you’re not going to have a network! Because we’re going to fight you every step of the way.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cpac-crowd-stands-and-cheers-as-raging-steve-bannon-vows-to-bring-down-fox-news-we-re-going-to-fight-you-every-step-of-the-way/ar-AA18cqic?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2c7aca7148344d6387c26d5f51d7d2b7&ei=11

Poor Fox News!  

Oh, hear is the funny line from his speech in the link:


Bannon went after the Murdoch family more than once, calling the billionaire an “oligarch” and bashing the family as “a bunch of foreigners” who’ve given America “nothing.”

keep in mind that he already beat Murdoch once.  Murdoch then fell right in line and went all in on MAGA.

I am haunted by the line in Handmaid’s Tale where Bradley Whitford was explaining his vision for Gilead and to explain how it got so far off course he said “I didn’t believe the Christians would take it this far.” Every time I think we have gone as far as we can, we go further. Ugh