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Post by billisonboard on Feb 19, 2023 15:46:59 GMT -5
Not deserting the conversation but matinee today. 1:00 call, 2:00 curtain, Last show so have to strike the set but will return when I can.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 19, 2023 17:59:51 GMT -5
I am not misrepresenting anything. DeSantis is asking for sensitive medical information, information most of us believe should be private, and do not wish to become public. In the absence of clear need for the government to get this information, there being no other way to obtain it, and a clear indication of why this information needs to be obtained, we should be highly skeptical and critical of the collection. And bills, this need to look for the best in this situations is naive. DeSantis in particular, and republicans in general are showing why it is dangerous for them to have this information. They are clearing using this people in part of the culture war at best, and are planning to enact laws to make their lives miserable at worst. Trying to make their motives less nefarious is dangerous I encourage you to (re)read jerseygirl's reply 19 in which she talks about the media's misrepresentation. (This isn't about you). And accurate, not "best". I understand perfectly well what he is requesting. DeSantis cannot violate HIPAA. He is not a healthcare professional, work in a healthcare, and is not a covered entity. HIPAA only is applicable to those individuals/entities. He is asking for information related to demographics, insurance use and the like. That changes nothing in regards to the problem with his request. He will be asking for sensitive information that he has a questionable reason to obtain. He has given no legitimate reason for the government to have this information about these individuals and their private healthcare and insurance claims. I stand by my statements. I suspect I understand hipaa better than most on this dite
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2023 18:08:27 GMT -5
of course. but again, there is no reason to trust RD at this point. just as there is no NEED for DT to retain classified material, there is no NEED for RD to obtain confidential information. none that i can see, anyway.
until someone can explain to me what that need is, i am siding with protecting the secrets in both cases.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 19, 2023 18:16:55 GMT -5
of course. but again, there is no reason to trust RD at this point. just as there is no NEED for DT to retain classified material, there is no NEED for RD to obtain confidential information. none that i can see, anyway. until someone can explain to me what that need is, i am siding with protecting the secrets in both cases. Again I find inaccuracies or one sided comments presented such a poor representation of the educational background in the US. Why only pointing out DT and classified info?? Of course trying to make a ‘point’. Of course that’s what is being done here -simplistic . When JB. HC also had similar practices. Seems more accurate that the US system of monitoring classified documents is problematic. But then you’d miss out on the fun of bashing the other side-
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Post by tallguy on Feb 19, 2023 18:33:13 GMT -5
of course. but again, there is no reason to trust RD at this point. just as there is no NEED for DT to retain classified material, there is no NEED for RD to obtain confidential information. none that i can see, anyway. until someone can explain to me what that need is, i am siding with protecting the secrets in both cases. Again I find inaccuracies or one sided comments presented such a poor representation of the educational background in the US. Why only pointing out DT and classified info?? Of course trying to make a ‘point’. Of course that’s what is being done here -simplistic . When JB. HC also had similar practices. Seems more accurate that the US system of monitoring classified documents is problematic. But then you’d miss out on the fun of bashing the other side- The only thing truly simplistic here is trying to compare Biden or Clinton with Trump and suggesting they are in any way equal. Do we really need to rehash the details and differences AGAIN? They are "equal" in the same sense that jaywalking and murder are both against the law. You can compare Biden with Pence, in that both ended up with classified documents, probably due to errors by the staffers tasked with packing up offices. Both reported and returned those documents, and neither is accused of either mishandling documents once they were discovered or in any way obstructing their return. Multiple investigations found no wrongdoing on Clinton's part. Any other interpretation here is nonsensical. Trump's behavior was clearly and repeatedly criminal. The others were not.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2023 18:37:07 GMT -5
of course. but again, there is no reason to trust RD at this point. just as there is no NEED for DT to retain classified material, there is no NEED for RD to obtain confidential information. none that i can see, anyway. until someone can explain to me what that need is, i am siding with protecting the secrets in both cases. Again I find inaccuracies or one sided comments presented such a poor representation of the educational background in the US. Why only pointing out DT and classified info?? Of course trying to make a ‘point’. Of course that’s what is being done here -simplistic . When JB. HC also had similar practices. Seems more accurate that the US system of monitoring classified documents is problematic. But then you’d miss out on the fun of bashing the other side- for two reasons. first of all it is a prominent and well known case where someone has materials that they have no need to have. but MORE IMPORTANTLY, it is another case of someone who thinks they are entitled to that information, despite the obvious problems with having it. you might be interested to know that i have not voted Democrat in a presidential election since 1996. i am thinking you are engaging in something called "innoculation" here. you are criticizing someone else whom YOU DON'T KNOW for having biases that you yourself have. but i would just be speculating, since i don't know you, Jersey. perhaps you are just having a bad day. my preemptive sympathies.
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Post by Opti on Feb 19, 2023 19:12:08 GMT -5
of course. but again, there is no reason to trust RD at this point. just as there is no NEED for DT to retain classified material, there is no NEED for RD to obtain confidential information. none that i can see, anyway. until someone can explain to me what that need is, i am siding with protecting the secrets in both cases. Again I find inaccuracies or one sided comments presented such a poor representation of the educational background in the US. Why only pointing out DT and classified info?? Of course trying to make a ‘point’. Of course that’s what is being done here -simplistic . When JB. HC also had similar practices. Seems more accurate that the US system of monitoring classified documents is problematic. But then you’d miss out on the fun of bashing the other side- It was a comment because neither is needful that I can see. HC did not have similar practices to DT. She received some emails with classified info in them, she did not take a bunch of classified docs home with her to my knowledge after she was no longer Sec of State. There might be a need in the future for better tracking of docs moved out of the WH given there are several recent offenders, but that's a red herring for this particular thread compared to DeSantis fishing for medical info on trans students for unknown reasons. I think its a possibility he might try to extend the ban on gender affirming surgery to those 18 to ? thus extending the ban from just minors.
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I encourage you to (re)read jerseygirl's reply 19 in which she talks about the media's misrepresentation. (This isn't about you). And accurate, not "best". I understand perfectly well what he is requesting. DeSantis cannot violate HIPAA. He is not a healthcare professional, work in a healthcare, and is not a covered entity. HIPAA only is applicable to those individuals/entities. He is asking for information related to demographics, insurance use and the like. That changes nothing in regards to the problem with his request. He will be asking for sensitive information that he has a questionable reason to obtain. He has given no legitimate reason for the government to have this information about these individuals and their private healthcare and insurance claims. I stand by my statements. I suspect I understand hipaa better than most on this dite I am reminded: A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor's cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. "It's full! No more will go in!" the professor blurted. "This is you," the master replied, "How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup."
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 19, 2023 22:03:51 GMT -5
I understand perfectly well what he is requesting. DeSantis cannot violate HIPAA. He is not a healthcare professional, work in a healthcare, and is not a covered entity. HIPAA only is applicable to those individuals/entities. He is asking for information related to demographics, insurance use and the like. That changes nothing in regards to the problem with his request. He will be asking for sensitive information that he has a questionable reason to obtain. He has given no legitimate reason for the government to have this information about these individuals and their private healthcare and insurance claims. I stand by my statements. I suspect I understand hipaa better than most on this dite I am reminded: A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor's cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. "It's full! No more will go in!" the professor blurted. "This is you," the master replied, "How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup." I am more than capable of revising my thoughts when I need to. I would be a poor physician if I did not alter my approach to my job if new information is available. On the other hand, there are people who are too open minded when presented with new information. They will not look at things critically. Like in this situation, why does DeSantis want this information? What is the purpose? You seem to want yo give him the benefit of the doubt. Given his behavior, he does not deserve it. Nowhere have I made any claim to HIPAA or anything else. I understand it better than you, as I need to consider how to manage complying with it every day. You have a much better understanding privacy law when it comes to education and students, and I have not made any comments in regards to that when you comment on it. I would like the same consideration
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I am reminded: A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor's cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. "It's full! No more will go in!" the professor blurted. "This is you," the master replied, "How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup." I am more than capable of revising my thoughts when I need to. I would be a poor physician if I did not alter my approach to my job if new information is available. On the other hand, there are people who are too open minded when presented with new information. They will not look at things critically. Like in this situation, why does DeSantis want this information? What is the purpose? You seem to want yo give him the benefit of the doubt. Given his behavior, he does not deserve it. Nowhere have I made any claim to HIPAA or anything else. I understand it better than you, as I need to consider how to manage complying with it every day. You have a much better understanding privacy law when it comes to education and students, and I have not made any comments in regards to that when you comment on it. I would like the same consideration Still too full to read the issue I was discussing.
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I am more than capable of revising my thoughts when I need to. I would be a poor physician if I did not alter my approach to my job if new information is available. On the other hand, there are people who are too open minded when presented with new information. They will not look at things critically. Like in this situation, why does DeSantis want this information? What is the purpose? You seem to want yo give him the benefit of the doubt. Given his behavior, he does not deserve it. Nowhere have I made any claim to HIPAA or anything else. I understand it better than you, as I need to consider how to manage complying with it every day. You have a much better understanding privacy law when it comes to education and students, and I have not made any comments in regards to that when you comment on it. I would like the same consideration Still too full to read the issue I was discussing. I understand the issue. Maybe you should explain your understanding of it. I still do not believe that DeSantis has any reasonable reason to have this information. You think he should be given the benefit of the doubt. I don’t. He has shown me no reason for me to do so. Maybe you can tell me why you think her point is relevant. You think I am closed minded. You should take a look in the mirror and worry about your faults , and let me worry about mine
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Still too full to read the issue I was discussing. I understand the issue. Maybe you should explain your understanding of it. I still do not believe that DeSantis has any reasonable reason to have this information. You think he should be given the benefit of the doubt. I don’t. He has shown me no reason for me to do so. Maybe you can tell me why you think her point is relevant. You think I am closed minded. You should take a look in the mirror and worry about your faults , and let me worry about mine Media reports misrepresented the facts of what DeSantis requested.
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Post by Opti on Feb 19, 2023 23:41:04 GMT -5
I understand the issue. Maybe you should explain your understanding of it. I still do not believe that DeSantis has any reasonable reason to have this information. You think he should be given the benefit of the doubt. I don’t. He has shown me no reason for me to do so. Maybe you can tell me why you think her point is relevant. You think I am closed minded. You should take a look in the mirror and worry about your faults , and let me worry about mine Media reports misrepresented the facts of what DeSantis requested. How many media reports have you read on this issue? Please don't be stuck on what some media reported initially as everywhere I read today has said medical data instead of medical records. The main issue has not changed; DeSantis is targeting medical care transgenders receive. Notice the phrasing of nonacademic pursuits swapped in instead of gender affirming care. If I were a transgender Florida college student, I don't think I'd take much comfort in the fact they aren't explicitly coming for my personal medical records. From the Insider I found this - www.insider.com/ron-desantis-trans-college-students-medical-records-florida-medical-care-2023-2DeSantis asked to see a breakdown of the medical data of students who received gender-affirming care from public entities. This includes anyone in the general public who sought gender-affirming care at the hospitals located at these public universities. In addition, he wants their ages and the dates they received gender-affirming care. The deadline to submit those records was February 10.
Correction: February 16, 2023 — This story has been updated to reflect what DeSantis' office requested from colleges. They asked for data from public entities and not medical records. We've also corrected the attribution to the quote from the Governor's office to come from his press secretary and not the governor himself.
When Insider asked why the state has requested the health data of transgender college students from public universities, the state's deputy press secretary, Jeremy Redfern, said: "We are committed to fully understanding the amount of public funding that is going toward such nonacademic pursuits to best assess how to get our colleges and universities refocused on education and truth."
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 19, 2023 23:49:35 GMT -5
Media reports misrepresented the facts of what DeSantis requested. How many media reports have you read on this issue? Please don't be stuck on what some media reported initially as everywhere I read today has said medical data instead of medical records. The main issue has not changed; DeSantis is targeting medical care transgenders receive. Notice the phrasing of nonacademic pursuits swapped in instead of gender affirming care. If I were a transgender Florida college student, I don't think I'd take much comfort in the fact they aren't explicitly coming for my personal medical records. From the Insider I found this - www.insider.com/ron-desantis-trans-college-students-medical-records-florida-medical-care-2023-2DeSantis asked to see a breakdown of the medical data of students who received gender-affirming care from public entities. This includes anyone in the general public who sought gender-affirming care at the hospitals located at these public universities. In addition, he wants their ages and the dates they received gender-affirming care. The deadline to submit those records was February 10.
Correction: February 16, 2023 — This story has been updated to reflect what DeSantis' office requested from colleges. They asked for data from public entities and not medical records. We've also corrected the attribution to the quote from the Governor's office to come from his press secretary and not the governor himself.
When Insider asked why the state has requested the health data of transgender college students from public universities, the state's deputy press secretary, Jeremy Redfern, said: "We are committed to fully understanding the amount of public funding that is going toward such nonacademic pursuits to best assess how to get our colleges and universities refocused on education and truth." Glad there are corrections being made.
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I understand the issue. Maybe you should explain your understanding of it. I still do not believe that DeSantis has any reasonable reason to have this information. You think he should be given the benefit of the doubt. I don’t. He has shown me no reason for me to do so. Maybe you can tell me why you think her point is relevant. You think I am closed minded. You should take a look in the mirror and worry about your faults , and let me worry about mine Media reports misrepresented the facts of what DeSantis requested. I am capable of reading. I understand that. WhT you refuse to acknowledge is that what he requested was still inappropriate. You can get quite a bit of information from what he requested, quite a bit of it sensitive. In the wrong hands, it can be used for bad purposes. If you are not careful in how that data is given, people can be identified.why is it you cannot understand that. I deal with medical information all the time. Without a legitimate need to have this information, and being careful with how it is given, people’s sensitive information can be gleaned. If you give me a list of prescriptions filled, list of doctors seen, and other info he that does not have any medical information, I can tell quite a bit about your medical history, without medical records.
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Post by Opti on Feb 20, 2023 9:12:11 GMT -5
For academic year 2021-2022, 428 colleges and universities are active in Florida - 97 public and 331 private schools. www.univstats.com/states/floridaThey also rank them by enrollment size and the list of the top 20 contain ten of the 97. The total enrollment figures end at under 4300 students so it would be easy to identify people with the age and date of service information requested. www.politico.com/news/2023/01/18/desantis-trans-health-care-florida-universities-00078435In a blanket request to 12 state universities, top officials with Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis are seeking data on the number of individuals who have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria or received treatment in campus clinics across Florida.
“Our office has learned that several state universities provide services to persons suffering from gender dysphoria. On behalf of the Governor, I hereby request that you respond to the enclosed inquiries related to such services,” wrote Chris Spencer, director of the Office of Policy and Budget for DeSantis, in a Jan. 11 memo to schools that was released Wednesday.
The request from DeSantis poses a list of questions for universities, such as asking them to provide the number of students or individuals who received gender-affirming treatment, including surgical procedures, spanning the last five years and where the treatment was sought. It also asks how many of those cases were “first-time” visits for treatment or were referred to other facilities.
The DeSantis administration also wants to know how many students were diagnosed with gender identity disorders under a medical classification. Additionally, the request asks for a breakdown of how many people were prescribed puberty blockers, hormones or hormone antagonists, or underwent a medical procedure.
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Media reports misrepresented the facts of what DeSantis requested. I am capable of reading. I understand that. WhT you refuse to acknowledge is that what he requested was still inappropriate. You can get quite a bit of information from what he requested, quite a bit of it sensitive. In the wrong hands, it can be used for bad purposes. If you are not careful in how that data is given, people can be identified.why is it you cannot understand that. I deal with medical information all the time. Without a legitimate need to have this information, and being careful with how it is given, people’s sensitive information can be gleaned. If you give me a list of prescriptions filled, list of doctors seen, and other info he that does not have any medical information, I can tell quite a bit about your medical history, without medical records. From yesterday morning: ... I encourage you to (re)read jerseygirl 's reply 19. I fully agree with her that what DeSantis is doing is inappropriate - and fully agree we should accurately identify what he is actually doing.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 20, 2023 11:29:36 GMT -5
I am capable of reading. I understand that. WhT you refuse to acknowledge is that what he requested was still inappropriate. You can get quite a bit of information from what he requested, quite a bit of it sensitive. In the wrong hands, it can be used for bad purposes. If you are not careful in how that data is given, people can be identified.why is it you cannot understand that. I deal with medical information all the time. Without a legitimate need to have this information, and being careful with how it is given, people’s sensitive information can be gleaned. If you give me a list of prescriptions filled, list of doctors seen, and other info he that does not have any medical information, I can tell quite a bit about your medical history, without medical records. From yesterday morning: ... I encourage you to (re)read jerseygirl 's reply 19. I fully agree with her that what DeSantis is doing is inappropriate - and fully agree we should accurately identify what he is actually doing. Then what is your point to me. I never claimed he was asking for medical records. I said what he is doing is dangerous. Don’t see the difference
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Then what is your point to me. I never claimed he was asking for medical records. I said what he is doing is dangerous. Don’t see the difference One major point I attempted to make to you was that my replies weren't about what you had done. They were about what the media had done. A second point was that I disagree with the idea of the media interpretating rather than accurately reporting. An additional point was countering your claim I was looking for "the best" instead of accuracy. And then I pointed out metaphorically that you were not hearing any of these points.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 20, 2023 14:34:50 GMT -5
Then what is your point to me. I never claimed he was asking for medical records. I said what he is doing is dangerous. Don’t see the difference One major point I attempted to make to you was that my replies weren't about what you had done. They were about what the media had done. A second point was that I disagree with the idea of the media interpretating rather than accurately reporting. An additional point was countering your claim I was looking for "the best" instead of accuracy. And then I pointed out metaphorically that you were not hearing any of these points. Media being accurate is a quaint notion. That shop has sailed. There are too many outlets who compete for the same consumers with a need yo be first for accuracy to be rheir main goal. People need to be critical consumers and really try to get to the truth. But we would rather have our biased confirmed. That being said, the reality of what DeSantis is trying to do is far more important than your wish for accuracy. That os my point. You are arguing for how things should be. I am talking about the reality of how things are
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2023 14:43:02 GMT -5
One major point I attempted to make to you was that my replies weren't about what you had done. They were about what the media had done. A second point was that I disagree with the idea of the media interpretating rather than accurately reporting. An additional point was countering your claim I was looking for "the best" instead of accuracy. And then I pointed out metaphorically that you were not hearing any of these points. Media being accurate is a quaint notion. That shop has sailed. There are too many outlets who compete for the same consumers with a need yo be first for accuracy to be rheir main goal. People need to be critical consumers and really try to get to the truth. But we would rather have our biased confirmed. That being said, the reality of what DeSantis is trying to do is far more important than your wish for accuracy. That os my point. You are arguing for how things should be. I am talking about the reality of how things are there is certainly accurate, neutral media out there, but it is a small minority of what is available in the US. it is far MORE available elsewhere. which is sad, if you think about it.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 20, 2023 14:48:14 GMT -5
Looks like most of the posts on here weren’t ‘ critical consumers’ . Cause it’s all about requesting medical records
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One major point I attempted to make to you was that my replies weren't about what you had done. They were about what the media had done. A second point was that I disagree with the idea of the media interpretating rather than accurately reporting. An additional point was countering your claim I was looking for "the best" instead of accuracy. And then I pointed out metaphorically that you were not hearing any of these points. Media being accurate is a quaint notion. That shop has sailed. There are too many outlets who compete for the same consumers with a need yo be first for accuracy to be rheir main goal. People need to be critical consumers and really try to get to the truth. But we would rather have our biased confirmed. That being said, the reality of what DeSantis is trying to do is far more important than your wish for accuracy. That os my point. You are arguing for how things should be. I am talking about the reality of how things are Spot on we should be critical consumers. That is what i am being here. I agree the accuracy issue is a secondary point which is why I didn't post on it initially. I thought that jerseygirl did a great job when she brought it up later and offered support to it when you questioned it.
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Post by Opti on Feb 20, 2023 15:28:59 GMT -5
Looks like most of the posts on here weren’t ‘ critical consumers’ . Cause it’s all about requesting medical records Part of being a critical consumer is noticing when stories change, and incorrect information is retracted. Why are you complaining about posts from Feb. 16th and not dealing with internet articles as they are today? I know it's not because all the posters from the beginning of the thread are still posting about medical records, as they are not. If you noticed my more recent link from Insider uses medical records in the link BECAUSE it allows readers to track the changes to the article. If the link is changed, that would not happen. Similar things might happen in the search results as most won't change the links and might even keep the original titles while updating the article's content.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2023 16:06:32 GMT -5
what are you guys even talking about?
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Post by tallguy on Feb 20, 2023 16:10:01 GMT -5
I would suggest that what DeSantis has done to New College of Florida and the rest of Florida education pretty much eliminates any "benefit of the doubt" on this issue as well. New College is a small institution which has traditionally been a welcoming place for all students. DeSantis has replaced half the board of directors with conservative allies and replaced the president with another. I think there was also a story where faculty were being threatened. This is a small institution with around 700 students, yet the new president will receive a huge pay increase from his predecessor. The new base salary will be $699,000, or on par with the salaries of other major institutions with student populations in excess of 50-60,000. Housing stipend, retirement contribution, and bonus could push him to over $1 million by the end of his contract in 2024. For perspective, that means he by himself would be paid about $15,000 per student at a small, struggling institution where students are in buildings that are decades-old and needing repairs.
In addition, DeSantis is attempting to eliminate all diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives in Florida colleges and universities and reject Advanced Placement African-American Studies in high schools. Not hard to guess at the motivations here. Eliminate as much as possible any thought that can in any way be defined as liberal and make things as difficult as possible for those who are not white, straight, and conservative. Same thing with his medical data requests.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2023 19:07:37 GMT -5
sounds like the Santos/Alt-Right MAGA vision.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Feb 21, 2023 3:15:31 GMT -5
I would suggest that what DeSantis has done to New College of Florida and the rest of Florida education pretty much eliminates any "benefit of the doubt" on this issue as well. New College is a small institution which has traditionally been a welcoming place for all students. DeSantis has replaced half the board of directors with conservative allies and replaced the president with another. I think there was also a story where faculty were being threatened. This is a small institution with around 700 students, yet the new president will receive a huge pay increase from his predecessor. The new base salary will be $699,000, or on par with the salaries of other major institutions with student populations in excess of 50-60,000. Housing stipend, retirement contribution, and bonus could push him to over $1 million by the end of his contract in 2024. For perspective, that means he by himself would be paid about $15,000 per student at a small, struggling institution where students are in buildings that are decades-old and needing repairs. In addition, DeSantis is attempting to eliminate all diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives in Florida colleges and universities and reject Advanced Placement African-American Studies in high schools. Not hard to guess at the motivations here. Eliminate as much as possible any thought that can in any way be defined as liberal and make things as difficult as possible for those who are not white, straight, and conservative. Same thing with his medical data requests. DD1 went to college there. She loved it and thrived. She is really pissed. She also just left a teaching position at one of the universities and is now in PNW in a different type of work. She saw the writing on the wall and did everything she could to get out of FL. I am waiting for a certain someone to start showing up with a nose-wide moustache.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Feb 21, 2023 20:19:15 GMT -5
I would suggest that what DeSantis has done to New College of Florida and the rest of Florida education pretty much eliminates any "benefit of the doubt" on this issue as well. New College is a small institution which has traditionally been a welcoming place for all students. DeSantis has replaced half the board of directors with conservative allies and replaced the president with another. I think there was also a story where faculty were being threatened. This is a small institution with around 700 students, yet the new president will receive a huge pay increase from his predecessor. The new base salary will be $699,000, or on par with the salaries of other major institutions with student populations in excess of 50-60,000. Housing stipend, retirement contribution, and bonus could push him to over $1 million by the end of his contract in 2024. For perspective, that means he by himself would be paid about $15,000 per student at a small, struggling institution where students are in buildings that are decades-old and needing repairs. In addition, DeSantis is attempting to eliminate all diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives in Florida colleges and universities and reject Advanced Placement African-American Studies in high schools. Not hard to guess at the motivations here. Eliminate as much as possible any thought that can in any way be defined as liberal and make things as difficult as possible for those who are not white, straight, and conservative. Same thing with his medical data requests. We don't have to guess: DeSantis addressed his rationale for requesting the records earlier this week, saying at a Bradenton news conference that publicly funded institutions should not be providing that type of care to minors. “These are very young people and you have all kinds of things that go on in those years,” he asserted. “Most of it resolves itself by the time they become adults, but the way to deal with that is to provide whatever counseling is needed, not to hack off their body parts.” Source
He's a fucking ghoul. And while some on this thread may find it worthwhile to engage in pedantic navel gazing about how the headlines weren't exactly 100% accurate (from US base media? gee that NEVER happens), I'm more concerned about what he is actually doing. Also important to note, this isn't about just students that received care. It's about anyone that received care, even those in the general public, at University attached medical facilities. Frankly, it's WORSE that than the headlines indicate. He is trying to ban gender affirming care for minors in Florida. He's not being subtle about it.
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