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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2023 14:45:32 GMT -5
Florida is a state to avoid at all costs. Ron DeSantis requested the medical records of trans students who sought care at Florida's public universities. Now students are planning a statewide walkout.Students across Florida are planning a statewide walkout after Gov. Ron DeSantis requested all public universities comply in delivering data from student health services on transgender students who sought gender-affirming care at the institutions. DeSantis asked to see the records of any student who has experienced gender dysphoria in the past five years. In addition, he wants their ages and the dates they received gender-affirming care. The deadline to submit those records was February 10. Insider has confirmed that University of Florida, Florida State University, University of Central Florida, Florida A&M University, Florida International University, and the University of North Florida have complied with the request, but has yet to hear back from the rest. Students at these universities are now planning rallies for next week along with the statewide walkout on February 23. Ben Braver, a junior at the University of South Florida and the outreach officer for the school's College Democrats chapter, is leading the initiative, known as the Stand for Freedom Florida Walkout. "Hate is spread when it's innocuous, when it seems silly, and when it seems like taking a stand is an overreaction," Braver told Insider. "We, just like any generation, need to stand for the civil rights that have already been fought for, the ones that have been won, and those which are at stake right now." Andy Pham, a senior and long-standing member of the University of South Florida's Trans+ Student Union, said he sees the state's move as a direct attack on trans rights. "They want to legislate us out of existence," Pham said. "That starts with attacking our healthcare, attacking our right to exist in public spaces, attempting surveillance — all of that." In January, 20 students at the University of South Florida held a rally protesting DeSantis' request. They then started an online petition asking the school's administration not to submit the medical records. The petition received over 2,600 signatures, but officials at the school said they plan to send over the records anyway. Insider hasn't been able to confirm whether the University of South Florida sent over the data. "As a state university, USF has an obligation to be responsive to requests from our elected officials," the university said in a statement, according to WUSF. "However, the university will not provide information that identifies an individual patient or violates patient privacy laws." Among those signing on to support the walkout are the Dream Defenders, Florida College Democrats, state lawmaker Anna Eskamani, and 26-year-old Congressman Maxwell Frost. "The governor's abusing his power," Frost told Insider. "He's targeting folks that disagree with him — people who might not see eye to eye with him, marginalized communities." When Insider asked why the state has requested the health data of transgender college students, the state's deputy press secretary referred to DeSantis' second inaugural address, in which the governor stated: "We are committed to fully understanding the amount of public funding that is going toward such nonacademic pursuits to best assess how to get our colleges and universities refocused on education and truth." The American Civil Liberties Union reports that during this legislative session, Florida lawmakers have introduced 85 bills restricting gender-affirming healthcare, up from 43 bills last year. Eskamani said DeSantis should prepare for student backlash. "When students see the visual representation of their peers around them standing up and walking out, they're going to get plugged in and help us fight back," she said. "That will happen." Ron DeSantis requested the medical records of trans students who sought care at Florida's public universities. Now students are planning a statewide walkout.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 16, 2023 18:16:08 GMT -5
The school is right - that’s HIPPA information. Illegal to make that public.
DeSantis showboating again, gearing up for the primaries.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 16, 2023 18:18:30 GMT -5
What about HIIPA? Isn't that a federal law that deSantis "requests" be broken?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2023 18:40:53 GMT -5
What about HIIPA? Isn't that a federal law that deSantis "requests" be broken? DeSantis is of the opinion federal laws don't apply to him and Florida.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 16, 2023 18:42:43 GMT -5
What about HIIPA? Isn't that a federal law that deSantis "requests" be broken? DeSantis is of the opinion federal laws don't apply to him and Florida. So why all this talk about a WH run? That has federal written all over it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2023 18:46:32 GMT -5
DeSantis is of the opinion federal laws don't apply to him and Florida. So why all this talk about a WH run? That has federal written all over it. All the more reason Republicans need to be voted out of office. Republicans want smaller government except when it comes to women and minority rights.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2023 11:22:55 GMT -5
And on another front.... Kristi Noem signs bill forcing trans kids to de-transition then flies to D.C. to stir up 2024 chatterSouth Dakota’s trans-hating governor Kristi Noem continued her senseless crusade against LGBTQ+ youth this week by signing the “Help Not Harm” bill that outlaws gender-affirming care for transgender kids and teens. The bill, which Noem proudly signed on Monday and which goes into effect July 1, bans doctors from prescribing puberty blockers or hormone therapy as well as performing surgery on minors as treatment for gender dysphoria. Taking it one step further, the bill also orders doctors already treating trans youth with puberty blockers to taper the minors off the medications by December 31, effectively forcing them to de-transition. Doctors who violate the law could have their medical licenses revoked. “South Dakota’s kids are our future,” Noem said in a statement. “With this legislation, we are protecting kids from harmful, permanent medical procedures. I will always stand up for the next generation of South Dakotans.” Immediately after signing the bill, Noem jetted off to Washington, D.C., where she’s been on a “speech tour” all week in an obvious attempt at drumming up chatter about a potential 2024 run for the White House. Rest of article here: Kristi Noem signs bill forcing trans kids to de-transition then flies to D.C. to stir up 2024 chatter
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 17, 2023 11:29:43 GMT -5
I just can't believe what the republican party has become. Every time I think they can't sink any lower, they do.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 17, 2023 11:34:31 GMT -5
I just can't believe what the republican party has become. Every time I think they can't sink any lower, they do. Republicans want to dumb down America's children and control women's personal medical rights.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 18, 2023 9:29:08 GMT -5
I just can't believe what the republican party has become. Every time I think they can't sink any lower, they do. Republicans want to dumb down America's children and control women's personal medical rights. Speaking of which, DeSantis killed that one AP class that covered black history, but is now also considering banning ALL AP classes in Florida high schools. time.com/6255568/ron-desantis-ap-courses-florida-2024/This is crazy. The AP classes I took were some of my favorite classes - and helped me skip some mandatory course work when I went to college, which saved my family money. I guess we only want to teach our high school kids their abcs and 123s and steer away from any courses that might make them actually think. Keep them dumb and they’re easier to herd.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 18, 2023 10:54:07 GMT -5
Republicans want to dumb down America's children and control women's personal medical rights. Speaking of which, DeSantis killed that one AP class that covered black history, but is now also considering banning ALL AP classes in Florida high schools. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/4-takeaways-from-the-bombshell-fox-news-legal-filing/ar-AA17Cp20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=788a2810384f4b3183e192a25391d26aThis is crazy. The AP classes I took were some of my favorite classes - and helped me skip some mandatory course work when I went to college, which saved my family money. I guess we only want to teach our high school kids their abcs and 123s and steer away from any courses that might make them actually think. Keep them dumb and they’re easier to herd. link is on a different topic
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Post by busymom on Feb 18, 2023 11:33:29 GMT -5
We are SO glad we moved out of Florida. We saw DeSantis for what he is. He seemed to be taking lessons from Trump, and now he's trying to take cruelty to the next level. Do you suppose he keeps a copy of Mein Kampf on his bedside table too? The idea that he could run for president is terrifying. Look at what Trump has gotten away with, so far. There should have been punishment so heavy that NO ONE would ever try half the stuff that Trump did ever again.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 18, 2023 11:54:57 GMT -5
We are SO glad we moved out of Florida. We saw DeSantis for what he is. He seemed to be taking lessons from Trump, and now he's trying to take cruelty to the next level. Do you suppose he keeps a copy of Mein Kampf on his bedside table too? The idea that he could run for president is terrifying. Look at what Trump has gotten away with, so far. There should have been punishment so heavy that NO ONE would ever try half the stuff that Trump did ever again. The only way to effectively "punish" a politician on policy issues is to have a majority of voters elect someone who supports different policies.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 18, 2023 12:29:30 GMT -5
DeSantis is also looking at using the CLT test as an option for ACT and SAT tests. www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/02/17/desantis-classical-learning-test-college-board-ap-sat/The company says its test exists to “reconnect knowledge and virtue by providing meaningful assessment and connections to seekers of truth, goodness, and beauty.” Basically it focuses on ‘classical’ texts - no nonfiction literature. Considered something home schoolers would score better on than the SAT and ACT tests, which are based on Common Core. So all those kids only allowed to read Little House books about Laura Ingalls won’t be at a disadvantage during the SAT and ACT which requires kids to be more widely read - you know - educated.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 18, 2023 12:33:12 GMT -5
link is on a different topic Fixed - also, in looking for that article, discovered that Ron is a former AP student of the year. So he hasn’t always thought that AP classes are evil.
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Post by busymom on Feb 18, 2023 12:38:41 GMT -5
link is on a different topic Fixed - also, in looking for that article, discovered that Ron is a former AP student of the year. So he hasn’t always thought that AP classes are evil. Remember, the GOP LOVES the uneducated. So why not create more uneducated?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 18, 2023 12:54:11 GMT -5
DeSantis is also looking at using the CLT test as an option for ACT and SAT tests. www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/02/17/desantis-classical-learning-test-college-board-ap-sat/The company says its test exists to “reconnect knowledge and virtue by providing meaningful assessment and connections to seekers of truth, goodness, and beauty.” Basically it focuses on ‘classical’ texts - no nonfiction literature. Considered something home schoolers would score better on than the SAT and ACT tests, which are based on Common Core. So all those kids only allowed to read Little House books about Laura Ingalls won’t be at a disadvantage during the SAT and ACT which requires kids to be more widely read - you know - educated. Not seeing the harm in allowing colleges to consider the score on this test for admissions. Otherwise you are putting kids who's parents already did them a disservice at even more of a disadvantage.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 18, 2023 19:54:47 GMT -5
DeSantis is also looking at using the CLT test as an option for ACT and SAT tests. www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/02/17/desantis-classical-learning-test-college-board-ap-sat/The company says its test exists to “reconnect knowledge and virtue by providing meaningful assessment and connections to seekers of truth, goodness, and beauty.” Basically it focuses on ‘classical’ texts - no nonfiction literature. Considered something home schoolers would score better on than the SAT and ACT tests, which are based on Common Core. So all those kids only allowed to read Little House books about Laura Ingalls won’t be at a disadvantage during the SAT and ACT which requires kids to be more widely read - you know - educated. Not seeing the harm in allowing colleges to consider the score on this test for admissions. Otherwise you are putting kids who's parents already did them a disservice at even more of a disadvantage. True. And colleges will know the test is narrowly focused on European/Christian texts and will judge the results accordingly. It just annoys the shit out of me that the far right insists on restricting kids from learning world history, and reading literature from all regions and lifestyles. There is no upside to being ignorant, except it makes you easily led.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 19, 2023 11:22:42 GMT -5
Thought this was a good article: Ron DeSantis’ use of government power to implement agenda worries some conservatives“You cannot censor your way to freedom of expression,” said Will Creeley, FIRE’s legal director. “You cannot trade one orthodoxy for another. What we’ve seen recently in Florida is a troubling willingness to do just that.” Think this is a very important point for all people, regardless of where they stand on issues, to keep in mind.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 19, 2023 12:40:13 GMT -5
So I read these posts and thought how ca this happen? Medical records for students?? HIPPA does NOT allow this Googled snd most headers were Desantis wants medical records I did clinical research for years and agree that’s NOT acceptable, allowed etc etc But what’s really requested are not medical records but sort of demographic info, ages, of procedures etc costs spent by Florida Univ and colleges Ages, procedures, diagnosis that might?? yield info on associated costs to the Univ system and eventually tax payers. br]Not saying this is appropriate as these are probably very small numbers of students and likely might fairly easily be able to identify these people. Or even saying this is appropriate to be done.
But a very big difference between medical records and what is actually being collected is anonymous demographics information ( this term demographics includes diagnosis, procedures/surgery in clinical research) Sad when journalists are so lax and imprecise.
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Post by Opti on Feb 19, 2023 13:19:32 GMT -5
I think it might be too easy to identify these students, and I am wondering really what the intention is. Unless it is a medical university it is very unlikely they are doing any surgeries let alone ones involving gender. www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/desantis-seeks-transgender-university-students-health-care-information-rcna66495The current memo asks universities to “provide the number of encounters for sex-reassignment treatment or where such treatment was sought,” as well as data for students referred to other facilities. It says to protect students’ identities in completing the information.
The survey requires breakdowns by age, regardless of whether students are age 18 or older, of people prescribed hormones or hormone antagonists or who underwent medical procedures like mastectomies, breast augmentation or removal and reconstruction of genitals.
I only looked up one FL university, but here's what I found - shcc.ufl.edu/services/specialty-care/lgbtq-care-resources/Transgender students seeking hormone therapy may receive treatment at the SHCC (Infirmary Building, 280 Fletcher Drive).
We encourage you to contact your insurance company ahead of your appointment to learn what services will be covered and which may have patient responsibility attached to them. Please feel free to contact SHCC Patient Financial Services if you would like assistance contacting your insurance about coverage: 352-273-4546.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 19, 2023 13:27:02 GMT -5
So I read these posts and thought how ca this happen? Medical records for students?? HIPPA does NOT allow this Googled snd most headers were Desantis wants medical records I did clinical research for years and agree that’s NOT acceptable, allowed etc etc But what’s really requested are not medical records but sort of demographic info, ages, of procedures etc costs spent by Florida Univ and colleges Ages, procedures, diagnosis that might?? yield info on associated costs to the Univ system and eventually tax payers. br]Not saying this is appropriate as these are probably very small numbers of students and likely might fairly easily be able to identify these people. Or even saying this is appropriate to be done. But a very big difference between medical records and what is actually being collected is anonymous demographics information ( this term demographics includes diagnosis, procedures/surgery in clinical research) Sad when journalists are so lax and imprecise. If the purpose of what they request was what you suggest, it could be a good policy. In what universe, given what DeSantis is doing in Florida and the gop is doing and saying in general, do you think he deserves the benefit of a kind interpretation of his reasons for doing so? The Republican Party is at war with these individuals so they can appeal to their awful base voters. The data they request needs to be deidentifued in every way possible so these individuals preserve their medical privacy. Where in his request is any of that suggested?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 19, 2023 13:38:47 GMT -5
So I read these posts and thought how ca this happen? Medical records for students?? HIPPA does NOT allow this Googled snd most headers were Desantis wants medical records I did clinical research for years and agree that’s NOT acceptable, allowed etc etc But what’s really requested are not medical records but sort of demographic info, ages, of procedures etc costs spent by Florida Univ and colleges Ages, procedures, diagnosis that might?? yield info on associated costs to the Univ system and eventually tax payers. br]Not saying this is appropriate as these are probably very small numbers of students and likely might fairly easily be able to identify these people. Or even saying this is appropriate to be done. But a very big difference between medical records and what is actually being collected is anonymous demographics information ( this term demographics includes diagnosis, procedures/surgery in clinical research) Sad when journalists are so lax and imprecise. If the purpose of what they request was what you suggest, it could be a good policy. In what universe, given what DeSantis is doing in Florida and the gop is doing and saying in general, do you think he deserves the benefit of a kind interpretation of his reasons for doing so? The Republican Party is at war with these individuals so they can appeal to their awful base voters. The data they request needs to be deidentifued in every way possible so these individuals preserve their medical privacy. Where in his request is any of that suggested? If feelings are more important than facts, an "interpretation" based on kindness makes sense. I still prefer news reports to be factually accurate.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2023 14:04:05 GMT -5
i am with pmd on this. for many years, i gave the right a bit of slack on stuff like this, refusing to give in to cynicism.
now, i think for the safety and well-being of the nation, it is unwise to do so.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 19, 2023 14:30:22 GMT -5
I don't think DeSantis or any politician should be given slack for anything they do that I think is inappropriate. But misrepresenting something that they are doing and then giving them grief based on that misrepresentation isn't something I think should be done.
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Post by Opti on Feb 19, 2023 14:40:26 GMT -5
Or we could look at his track record and realize we are probably on the right track to be concerned. www.advocate.com/politics/2021/6/02/florida-gov-desantis-strips-lgbtq-funds-state-budgetAfter kicking off Pride Month by signing transphobic legislation, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday vetoed all LGBTQ+ programs and projects from his state's budget. That included $150,000 for the LGBT+ Center Orlando. The money was earmarked for the Orlando United Assistance Center, which provides mental health services for survivors of the 2016 mass shooting at the city's Pulse nightclub.Bills, right now you are reminding me of Miss T telling posters they were crazy to worry about abortion rights being taken away if Trump were elected.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 19, 2023 14:53:55 GMT -5
Or we could look at his track record and realize we are probably on the right track to be concerned. www.advocate.com/politics/2021/6/02/florida-gov-desantis-strips-lgbtq-funds-state-budgetAfter kicking off Pride Month by signing transphobic legislation, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday vetoed all LGBTQ+ programs and projects from his state's budget. That included $150,000 for the LGBT+ Center Orlando. The money was earmarked for the Orlando United Assistance Center, which provides mental health services for survivors of the 2016 mass shooting at the city's Pulse nightclub.Bills, right now you are reminding me of Miss T telling posters they were crazy to worry about abortion rights being taken away if Trump were elected. I encourage you to (re)read jerseygirl's reply 19. I fully agree with her that what DeSantis is doing is inappropriate - and fully agree we should accurately identify what he is actually doing.
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I don't think DeSantis or any politician should be given slack for anything they do that I think is inappropriate. But misrepresenting something that they are doing and then giving them grief based on that misrepresentation isn't something I think should be done. I am not misrepresenting anything. DeSantis is asking for sensitive medical information, information most of us believe should be private, and do not wish to become public. In the absence of clear need for the government to get this information, there being no other way to obtain it, and a clear indication of why this information needs to be obtained, we should be highly skeptical and critical of the collection. And bills, this need to look for the best in this situations is naive. DeSantis in particular, and republicans in general are showing why it is dangerous for them to have this information. They are clearing using this people in part of the culture war at best, and are planning to enact laws to make their lives miserable at worst. Trying to make their motives less nefarious is dangerous
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Post by Opti on Feb 19, 2023 15:34:00 GMT -5
I'm giving him grief for what he's actually doing. The last complaints about HIPAA were on Thursday. Yes, its good he's not outright violating HIPAA, but that doesn't change the fact he's planning to make LBGTQ lives worse by gathering this information.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 19, 2023 15:39:00 GMT -5
I don't think DeSantis or any politician should be given slack for anything they do that I think is inappropriate. But misrepresenting something that they are doing and then giving them grief based on that misrepresentation isn't something I think should be done. I am not misrepresenting anything. DeSantis is asking for sensitive medical information, information most of us believe should be private, and do not wish to become public. In the absence of clear need for the government to get this information, there being no other way to obtain it, and a clear indication of why this information needs to be obtained, we should be highly skeptical and critical of the collection. And bills, this need to look for the best in this situations is naive. DeSantis in particular, and republicans in general are showing why it is dangerous for them to have this information. They are clearing using this people in part of the culture war at best, and are planning to enact laws to make their lives miserable at worst. Trying to make their motives less nefarious is dangerous I encourage you to (re)read jerseygirl's reply 19 in which she talks about the media's misrepresentation. (This isn't about you). And accurate, not "best".
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