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Post by happyhoix on Feb 14, 2023 9:44:59 GMT -5
Just in 2023. Another one last night.
A majority of Americans want better background checks and a ban on assault rifles.
GOP is holding a hearing today revisiting the national Covid response- I’m sure there will be plenty of wailing about schools getting shut down and mask requirements.
Then they will carry on about Hunters laptop and gas stoves.
Not a peep about American Exceptionalism when it comes to mass shooters, because they want to pretend the majority of Americans are just being silly, I guess.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 14, 2023 9:53:36 GMT -5
Merica: Nos Surculus Populus
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 14, 2023 10:10:24 GMT -5
We had one here at a local Target not too long ago. The uncle was interviewed and he said he told numerous mental health professionals and the police multiple times that his nephew was hearing voices compelling him to kill people and that the kid had guns. Uncle was told it was the nephew's right to own them and there was nothing that could be done. I get sick of being lectured about "if you see something say something" but when you DO exactly that you're told tough shit. And despite you being told tough shit the media and Republicans will rush to claim this is a mental health issue and why oh why didn't anyone get the nephew help before this awful tragedy?! It's your fault this happened you know you should have told us this guy had issues. Yeah there is a mental health aspect we also had a 15 year old that tried to set people on fire in the Westroads parking lot which is just as terrifying. He is also someone that doctors and family members have been trying to get put away because of his mental health issues but nobody listens. BUT he could only target 4 people before the cops shut him down. A person with an automatic weapon can kill dozens of people in the same amount of time. You can't legislate away crazy but you can sure as hell make it a lot more difficult for them to kill mass numbers of people in a single go.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 14, 2023 10:21:50 GMT -5
Thoughts and prayers Just another day in America He wasn't a responsible gun owner. Responsible gun owners aren't the problem It is a mental health issue.
Any Republican talking points I missed?
Just don't offer anything that might interfere with a "responsible" gun owner's right to own as many firearms as they wish.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Feb 14, 2023 11:05:46 GMT -5
I was at my doctor's office this morning. The nurse practitioner took a personal phone call while in the middle of my visit. Her daughter's friend was shot while attending class; I think it was at the U of Michigan. Her friend is expected to survive. Three others did not.
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Post by dondub on Feb 14, 2023 12:10:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 15:09:53 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken some Democrats go to church and also pray.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 14, 2023 16:30:58 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken some Democrats go to church and also pray. And?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 16:43:57 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken some Democrats go to church and also pray. And? Everyone is Republican on that video.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 14, 2023 17:14:42 GMT -5
Everyone is Republican on that video. The point is that after mass shootings the Republicans offer thoughts and prayers instead of solutions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 17:25:33 GMT -5
Everyone is Republican on that video. The point is that after mass shootings the Republicans offer thoughts and prayers instead of solutions. OK. I never understood how anyone would not want a ban on assault rifles.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2023 18:46:56 GMT -5
they didn't lift a finger when COVID was killing 100000 a month. you think they will do anything when mass shootings are killing 200 per month?
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Post by busymom on Feb 14, 2023 18:58:17 GMT -5
Regarding thoughts: they haven't put any thought into a real solution to the problem of mass shootings. I'm convinced they only pray about winning their next election. So much for "thoughts and prayers".
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Post by dondub on Feb 14, 2023 20:19:16 GMT -5
The point is that after mass shootings the Republicans offer thoughts and prayers instead of solutions. OK. I never understood how anyone would not want a ban on assault rifles. What? And stop the flow of campaign cash and junkets from the NRA.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2023 20:23:48 GMT -5
OK. I never understood how anyone would not want a ban on assault rifles. What? And stop the flow of campaign cash and junkets from the NRA. and supporting the fanatical right's fever dream of a White Republic.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 15, 2023 13:18:37 GMT -5
Republicans blocked gun reform laws a year before Michigan State shootingLess than a year before a gunman attacked Michigan State University’s campus on Monday, killing three students and injuring five, Republican legislators in the state rejected an opportunity to change gun regulations. n the aftermath of the mass shooting at Robb Elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, Michigan Democrats attempted to advance bills requiring secure storage of firearms and expanding background checks for gun buyers. Six months earlier, a shooting at Oxford high school near Detroit had also reinvigorated Democratic efforts to change Michigan gun laws. But the gun bills were blocked by Republicans, who controlled both chambers of the state legislature. After years of thwarted efforts, Michigan Democrats may finally be able to act. In November, the party gained majorities in both chambers of the Michigan legislature for the first time in nearly 40 years, giving them a chance to reconsider the gun proposals that languished under Republican control. It remains unclear whether the bills previously considered by the legislature might have prevented the mass shooting at Michigan State. Authorities identified the shooter as 43-year-old Anthony McRae, but they declined to offer details on the weapon used in the attack or a potential motive. For many Michiganders, the shooting stirred up painful memories. Just 15 months earlier, a teenager used a handgun purchased by his father to fatally shoot four students at Oxford high school, outside of Detroit. Local media reports indicate that some survivors of the Oxford shooting, as well as one survivor of the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting, were on Michigan State’s campus Monday. “We have children in Michigan who are living through their second school shooting in under a year and a half,” Congresswoman Elissa Slotkin, a Democrat from Michigan, said on Tuesday. “If this is not a wake-up call to do something, I don’t know what is.” But Michigan Democrats have faced fierce opposition in their efforts to change state gun laws. Republicans consistently blocked bills aimed at expanding background checks and banning the large-capacity magazines frequently used in mass shootings. Even relatively modest proposals, such as mandating safe storage of firearms or enacting a “red flag law” to allow courts to seize guns from those deemed to be dangerous, failed in the Republican-controlled legislature. Court records show that, in 2019, McRae faced a felony charge for carrying a concealed weapon and a misdemeanor charge for possessing a loaded firearm in or upon a vehicle. He pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor charge and was sentenced to probation. The incident raised questions about whether McRae should have been denied access to a firearm prior to the Monday shooting. “We cannot keep living like this,” Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer said at a press conference on Tuesday. “Our children are scared to go to school. People feel unsafe in their houses of worship, or local stores. As parents, we tell our kids it’s going to be OK. But the truth is words are not good enough. We must act and we will.” Whitmer has already indicated that addressing gun violence would be a top priority for her administration, and the Michigan State shooting appears to have added a sense of urgency to Democrats’ efforts. As they mourned the young lives lost on Monday, Democratic legislators pledged that they would move quickly to pass new gun regulations. “Even the basics will make a difference – we need universal background checks, safe storage laws and red flag laws,” Democratic state senator Darrin Camilleri said. “Of course we need more, but let’s start with this … Tomorrow, we go back to the Capitol and get to work to create change.” In a statement offering condolences to the Michigan State community, Joe Biden also reiterated his call to enact a nationwide ban on assault weapons and require background checks for all gun sales. Last year, Biden signed the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which expanded background checks for the youngest gun buyers and provided funding for mental health and violence intervention programs, but he said more must be done to address gun safety. Underscoring the scope of the issue, Biden noted that the Michigan tragedy came one day before the country marked five years since the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school in Parkland, Florida, when 17 people were killed. “Too many American communities have been devastated by gun violence,” Biden said. “Action is what we owe to those grieving today in Michigan and across America.” Despite the urgent demands for action, Democrats still face significant challenges in changing gun laws. At the federal level, Republicans now control the House of Republicans, making it easier for them to block gun safety bills. In Michigan, Democrats hold narrow majorities in both chambers of the state legislature, so party leaders will have little wiggle room as they attempt to enact new gun regulations. But gun safety advocates remain undaunted, promising that they will keep working until lawmakers act. “No one should have to fear for their life while walking on campus. No one should have to text their loved ones goodbye,” said Annie Heitmeier, a third year student at Michigan State and a volunteer with the gun safety group Students Demand Action. “We won’t stand for any more inaction from our legislators because no one should ever experience the terror and fear that we lived through last night.” Republicans blocked gun reform laws a year before Michigan State shooting
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 15, 2023 15:31:51 GMT -5
What? And stop the flow of campaign cash and junkets from the NRA. and supporting the fanatical right's fever dream of a White Republic. I have wondered what would happen if every POC in the country bought 2 guns and joined the NRA. Somehow I believe Republicans would be all about making some laws for licensing, etc.
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Post by swamp on Feb 15, 2023 15:36:21 GMT -5
and supporting the fanatical right's fever dream of a White Republic. I have wondered what would happen if every POC in the country bought 2 guns and joined the NRA. Somehow I believe Republicans would be all about making some laws for licensing, etc. I have a strong suspicion that they would collectively wet their pants. White guy with gun: Patriot Black guy with gun: Thug.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 15, 2023 16:05:16 GMT -5
and supporting the fanatical right's fever dream of a White Republic. I have wondered what would happen if every POC in the country bought 2 guns and joined the NRA. Somehow I believe Republicans would be all about making some laws for licensing, etc. anyone interested in what would happen should read about the history of the Black Panthers.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 15, 2023 16:26:55 GMT -5
I have wondered what would happen if every POC in the country bought 2 guns and joined the NRA. Somehow I believe Republicans would be all about making some laws for licensing, etc. anyone interested in what would happen should read about the history of the Black Panthers. Yup.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 15, 2023 19:19:42 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken some Democrats go to church and also pray. just over half attend church services regularly.
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Post by swamp on Feb 15, 2023 21:41:59 GMT -5
68. El Paso. Again.
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 15, 2023 23:05:32 GMT -5
A tweet from Washington Post said: "Shock, concern over text that encouraged MSU students to "Run, Hide, Fight""
All the responses were - where have you been, WP? All our kids and lots of adults have been doing Active Shooter drills for years - that's the protocol: Run, Hide, Fight. Sad, but it's no longer shocking to this generation - some of the kids at MSU lived thru Sandy Hook or Oxford shootings. How messed up is that? For multiple students to have personally experienced MORE than one school shooting!
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Post by azucena on Feb 16, 2023 8:30:08 GMT -5
A tweet from Washington Post said: "Shock, concern over text that encouraged MSU students to "Run, Hide, Fight"" All the responses were - where have you been, WP? All our kids and lots of adults have been doing Active Shooter drills for years - that's the protocol: Run, Hide, Fight. Sad, but it's no longer shocking to this generation - some of the kids at MSU lived thru Sandy Hook or Oxford shootings. How messed up is that? For multiple students to have personally experienced MORE than one school shooting!Yeah if that doesn't scream - America we have a problem, I don't know what does. I read an article that was slanted towards now parents have to be worried about shootings when sending their kids to college. Um, I'm even more concerned for that day than I have been for elementary, middle, and high schools. Wake up people.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Feb 16, 2023 11:38:27 GMT -5
I wonder if conservatives would change their stance on gun laws if their fancy pants christian schools started experiencing mass shootings.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 16, 2023 12:31:15 GMT -5
I don't think private christian schools are immune to the mass shootings. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present) There's also the weirdness of "covering up" or "explaining it away" or "buy your way out of it" that happens when wealthy people have relatives who do bad things over and over again. Everyone is expected to look the other way - because so and so's kid is important or their family is important and the kid is "a good kid". I'm gonna say that when a "good kid, from a good family" makes the news - it vanishes pretty quickly from the media. I would be willing to bet the conservative parents BOUGHT the gun as a gift for their kid - the one the kid used to commit mass murder. (really, a lot of the kids from wealthy families who go on to kill a bunch of people, were gifted the gun (asked for it from their parents) or bought it on their own (and I'm pretty sure guns aren't cheap if you go to a gun store to buy one.) hmmmm, how much does the type of guns these shooters use cost? Along with ammo? I'm gonna take a "I have no idea, I'm pulling this out of my butt" guess and say between $1,500 and $2,000. I don't want to go down this rabbit hole. The side branches are too sad for me right now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 12:36:48 GMT -5
Why do Americans NEED 200 shot Assault Weapons to be available for purchase......Why isn't a 20 shot Weapon sufficient?
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Post by Tiny on Feb 16, 2023 12:37:57 GMT -5
I wonder if conservatives would change their stance on gun laws if their fancy pants christian schools started experiencing mass shootings. No. School shootings help them with the "if everyone would just live a good christian life they way WE dictate it - there wouldn't be any school shootings." I'm guessing plenty of shootings happen in homes in conservative christian communities. A spouse who kills their own family. A kid who kills their parents or friends.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 16, 2023 12:58:30 GMT -5
Why do Americans NEED 200 shot Assault Weapons to be available for purchase......Why isn't a 20 shot Weapon sufficient? No one NEEDS one, but you can’t restrict their purchase because of freedum or some bonkers explanation. Any restriction infringes on their precious rights to do what they want. Consequences be damned. And we all pay the price so that they don’t have their precious rights limited. When we finally love our children more than our guns, we will do something about it
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 16, 2023 13:11:33 GMT -5
Why do Americans NEED 200 shot Assault Weapons to be available for purchase......Why isn't a 20 shot Weapon sufficient? moreover, do we REALLY have to just give these things out to 18 year olds with anger management issues? can't we require special training and licensing? if we can't keep our kids safe from assault weapons in school, we either need to end assault weapons, end schools, or end kids. the combination is just absurd.
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