George Santos, Fraudster

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 28, 2022 14:33:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:21:41 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Republicans are in charge of the house. It will be a cold day in hell before there is an ethics investigation of any republican

Rather they will be next week and I think this will prove to be too egregious for there not to be an investigation eventually. Time will tell.

He isn't in the house yet. House is in recess. 

More egregious than what Gaetz was accused of? haven't seen an investigation of that yet. They have no interest in investigating Trump's behavior 0n January 6. They are going to be too busy investigating hunter Biden and impeaching Joe Biden, and refusing to raise the debt ceiling to investigate this

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 28, 2022 14:42:23 GMT -5 haapai said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:21:41 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Republicans are in charge of the house. It will be a cold day in hell before there is an ethics investigation of any republican

I prefer to believe that they might make an exception to that rule if one of their own stinks so much of being a foreign agent.  Maybe I am too optimistic.  Maybe they will get lucky and this guy will get arrested for a crime committed in the US before they have to make that choice.  Santos appears to be unusually bad at filling out paperwork. 

There is no bottom to the behavior they will accept. It is OK if you are a republican

[billisonboard]

Dec 28, 2022 14:42:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:33:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Rather they will be next week and I think this will prove to be too egregious for there not to be an investigation eventually. Time will tell.

He isn't in the house yet. House is in recess. 

More egregious than what Gaetz was accused of? haven't seen an investigation of that yet. They have no interest in investigating Trump's behavior 0n January 6. They are going to be too busy investigating hunter Biden and impeaching Joe Biden, and refusing to raise the debt ceiling to investigate this

I think the Gaetz situation is best handled as a criminal investigation by appropriate professionals and not by Congress.

[haapai]

Dec 28, 2022 14:43:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:42:23 GMT -5 haapai said:

I prefer to believe that they might make an exception to that rule if one of their own stinks so much of being a foreign agent.  Maybe I am too optimistic.  Maybe they will get lucky and this guy will get arrested for a crime committed in the US before they have to make that choice.  Santos appears to be unusually bad at filling out paperwork. 

There is no bottom to the behavior they will accept. It is OK if you are a republican

You might be right.  The behavior of certain Republicans during Zelensky's speech last week certainly gives credence to the idea.  They don't seem to give a fart about foreign policy or appearing to be in bed with Putin.  All they seem to care about is being contrarian and getting headlines for it video of it that they can use to raise money. 

[pulmonarymd]

Dec 28, 2022 15:00:49 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:42:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

He isn't in the house yet. House is in recess. 

More egregious than what Gaetz was accused of? haven't seen an investigation of that yet. They have no interest in investigating Trump's behavior 0n January 6. They are going to be too busy investigating hunter Biden and impeaching Joe Biden, and refusing to raise the debt ceiling to investigate this

I think the Gaetz situation is best handled as a criminal investigation by appropriate professionals and not by Congress.

There are things that may aren't illegal and still can be disqualifying for a person in the House.

Sounds as if Santos committed fraud in a number of areas. Should we let him be sworn in and have law enforcement handle it, or should we have an ethics investigation alongside it and disqualify him from serving?

[djAdvocate]

Dec 28, 2022 13:56:37 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 28, 2022 12:32:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i am surprised that none of these articles pointed out that Devolder ceased operations in JULY, according to THIS filing:


opencorporates.com/companies/us_fl/L21000206150


he then REINSTATED the corporation in December (literally 8 days ago).

so, it was inactive from 7/1-12/20/22, and yet managed to pay him $750k in salary?

i say "no way" to that.  i say that is totally impossible.  i say that he is bullshitting about the source of his income, and i will venture to guess that Devolder never made a penny, or paid a penny.

He apparently ran some fundraisers for animal charities, but never turned the money over to them. He also had some animal charity he started himself, but who knows how much money he raised or where it went. 

Seems like a huge amount to raise from charity donations, though. My second and third guesses would be embezzlement or dark money. Hopefully someone in the Ethics committee takes the time to track it down. 

yeah, i read that, but honestly i didn't make the connection until now.  if you are saying he ran an animal charity because humans are animals, ergo, him, then i get it.

i have been assuming dark money.  but it might just be outright fraud.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Dec 28, 2022 15:00:49 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:42:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

He isn't in the house yet. House is in recess. 

More egregious than what Gaetz was accused of? haven't seen an investigation of that yet. They have no interest in investigating Trump's behavior 0n January 6. They are going to be too busy investigating hunter Biden and impeaching Joe Biden, and refusing to raise the debt ceiling to investigate this

I think the Gaetz situation is best handled as a criminal investigation by appropriate professionals and not by Congress.

Prosecute him sure it should be criminal.

But I remember vividly the pearl clutching going on when Clinton got a BJ from an intern in the Oval Office.  Who was of age and by her own account consented. (yes I am aware of the power dynamics in the situation which makes consent questionable but that doesn't preclude Monica was an adult at the time)

Yet not a peep about the dude transporting minors over state lines to have sex with them?

They've totally ripped off the facade and full on embrace that you can be the biggest scumbag on the planet but so long as your ass in the seat prevents a democrat from getting into it that's all that matters.

[billisonboard]

Dec 28, 2022 15:13:43 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Dec 28, 2022 15:00:49 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I think the Gaetz situation is best handled as a criminal investigation by appropriate professionals and not by Congress.

There are things that may aren't illegal and still can be disqualifying for a person in the House.

Sounds as if Santos committed fraud in a number of areas. Should we let him be sworn in and have law enforcement handle it, or should we have an ethics investigation alongside it and disqualify him from serving?

I think that non-criminal behavior outside of official duties is best determined to be disqualifying by voters not re-electing individuals to represent them.

There is an issue of timing with Santos. I do not see a legal way to stop his swearing-in at this point. I think an ethics committee investigation into his campaign related behavior is appropriate. It certainly looks like an investigation of possible criminal activity is also called for.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 28, 2022 15:03:23 GMT -5 haapai said:

Dec 28, 2022 14:43:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

There is no bottom to the behavior they will accept. It is OK if you are a republican

You might be right.  The behavior of certain Republicans during Zelensky's speech last week certainly gives credence to the idea.  They don't seem to give a fart about foreign policy or appearing to be in bed with Putin.  All they seem to care about is being contrarian and getting headlines for it video of it that they can use to raise money. 

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Right-wing Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) won a significant new fan — Kremlin state TV — for refusing to stand and applaud Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky when he spoke to Congress in Washington, D.C., last Wednesday.

It hailed her for failing to honor Zelensky, who has led his nation against a bloody, brutal invasion by Russia. The broadcast also gave shout outs to Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) and far-right Fox News host Tucker Carlson for denigrating the leader considered a war hero by his country.

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[happyhoix]

Dec 28, 2022 15:21:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 28, 2022 13:56:37 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

He apparently ran some fundraisers for animal charities, but never turned the money over to them. He also had some animal charity he started himself, but who knows how much money he raised or where it went. 

Seems like a huge amount to raise from charity donations, though. My second and third guesses would be embezzlement or dark money. Hopefully someone in the Ethics committee takes the time to track it down. 

yeah, i read that, but honestly i didn't make the connection until now.  if you are saying he ran an animal charity because humans are animals, ergo, him, then i get it.

i have been assuming dark money.  but it might just be outright fraud.

Heard on the TV tubes this AM that he left a recent job one month before they got indicted for fraud.

Hmmm.

[djAdvocate]

oh...he has jobs?  that is also something new.

[haapai]

According to the NYT, his campaign expenditures are a mess. 

[djAdvocate]

well, yeah!  i mean, he said he donated $700k of his own money to his campaign.

how is that even possible, given what we know about him?

[swamp]

Dec 30, 2022 2:21:00 GMT -5 haapai said:

According to the NYT, his campaign expenditures are a mess. 

Yeah, all the expenses are $199.99, one cent under the threshold of needing a receipt

[teen persuasion]

Twitter has lots of other interesting lies, or questionable ethical goings-on.

George Santos, who never misses an opportunity to violate Congressional Ethics, is charging people for touring the US Capitol and attending his Congressional swearing-in (also, check the date ):

George Santos mother dies twice, or has two mothers?

Another alias, Anthony Devolder:

[Tennesseer]

This guy's life and lies just get more pathetic by the day.

The Republicans in the House of Representative will show they stand for nothing if they don't expel Santos from his seat. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Dec 30, 2022 10:52:42 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

This guy's life and lies just get more pathetic by the day.

The Republicans in the House of Representative will show they stand for nothing if they don't expel Santos from his seat. 

But he's not a democrat or Clinton.  Therefore he deserves the seat. Isn't that the logic anymore? 

[Tennesseer]

Dec 30, 2022 11:25:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Dec 30, 2022 10:52:42 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

This guy's life and lies just get more pathetic by the day.

The Republicans in the House of Representative will show they stand for nothing if they don't expel Santos from his seat. 

But he's not a democrat or Clinton.  Therefore he deserves the seat. Isn't that the logic anymore? 

I don't want to hear a peep out of Republicans regarding Hunter Biden until Santos is expelled from Congress.

[happyhoix]

Dec 30, 2022 9:27:44 GMT -5 swamp said:

Dec 30, 2022 2:21:00 GMT -5 haapai said:

According to the NYT, his campaign expenditures are a mess. 

Yeah, all the expenses are $199.99, one cent under the threshold of needing a receipt

He claimed he racked up $40,000 in airline tickets. Airline tickets for flying around his district? 

He also included rent costs for ‘staff’ but neighbors have confirmed that Santos was living there himself. Using campaign funds for personal expenses is illegal. 

Still can’t hear a whisper of complaint from any of the main GOPers in congress. 

He may be a criminal psychopath but he’s our criminal psychopath I guess. 

[djAdvocate]

am i wrong to think this whole thing is both fascinating and hilarious?

i feel wrong thinking that.

[swamp]

Dec 30, 2022 15:02:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

am i wrong to think this whole thing is both fascinating and hilarious?

i feel wrong thinking that.

If you’re wrong I don’t want to be right. 

[billisonboard]

Dec 30, 2022 15:02:09 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

am i wrong to think this whole thing is both fascinating and hilarious?

i feel wrong thinking that.

We are talking one of 435 Representatives. He will be one of the junior-ist of those for whatever length of time he actually serves. And, to be honest, he doesn't represent me. I am good with fascinating and hilarious.

[billisonboard]

Additional thought. Say he is a plant for the Russians, or the Chinese, or the Belgiums. What exactly is he going to do to undermine our country, especially now?

[haapai]

Dec 30, 2022 15:38:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Additional thought. Say he is a plant for the Russians, or the Chinese, or the Belgiums. What exactly is he going to do to undermine our country, especially now?

Other than embarrass the nation that elected him, probably not much. 

He's beginning to sound less like a fabulist and more like a troll, or maybe someone's stunt jerk.  He's just so bad at paperwork and rules that I think that someone is playing with me. 

[djAdvocate]

Dec 30, 2022 15:38:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Additional thought. Say he is a plant for the Russians, or the Chinese, or the Belgiums. What exactly is he going to do to undermine our country, especially now?

i really have no idea.

mostly, as i said, i think this is funny.  and weird.  i can't imagine who he is, or what is game is.

[haapai]

I'm rather surprised that I don't know the name of Santos' mother, father, brother, husband, or ex-wife.  His mother's last name is out there, but I really haven't heard the others.  Is this because I confine myself to reading the NYT, the WP, and The Atlantic?  Are other people who consume other media hearing these names? 

[Tennesseer]

Fortunately, a member of Congress must serve at least five years to be fully vested in collecting a pension.

And it would be great if he wasn't seated in Congress.  That way he cannot put it on his 'embellished' resume.

[happyhoix]

Dec 30, 2022 15:38:34 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Additional thought. Say he is a plant for the Russians, or the Chinese, or the Belgiums. What exactly is he going to do to undermine our country, especially now?

It’s the damn Walloons.

😀

[Tennesseer]

NY Rep Ritchie Torres (D) New York was just on CNN discussing Santos. The CNN hosted noted Torres wanted to introduce a bill in Congress called the Stop Another Non-Truthful Office Seeker Act

[Tennesseer]

And a Jew-ish pope at that.

Satire
Andy Borowitz

George Santos Stands By Claim That He Briefly Served as Pope