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Post by NastyWoman on Jul 23, 2022 21:27:39 GMT -5
"We’re happy we sent them there instead of local HS where most kids seemed to be very insular and a main trip was visiting local mall"How do you know that they did not do any volunteering locally - seems like a slight to every person who went to a public HS. I know that in our public schools here - elementary, middle and high - they had to have a certain number of volunteering hours to graduate. That might be a CA thing as DS2 also needed to do that to graduate 22 years ago (how in tne h*ll can it be that .many years ago already?).
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 23, 2022 22:36:01 GMT -5
Most folks in the US and Canada are wealthy in comparison to most of the world School our sons attended (private Catholic run by monks) really tried to emphasize the boys ‘owed’ giving back to less fortunate, wether those with physical challenges here or going to Appalachia or Central America or during the school year to local inner city brother private school. They collected all year and during summer went to these regions to volunteer. Most of these boys came from fairly privileged families . We’re happy we sent them there instead of local HS where most kids seemed to be very insular and a main trip was visiting local mall See, at our private (Catholic) high school, it is about money and prestige. Tuition used to be 17K a year. Now it's 13K a year.
It's a place the wealthy can send their kids to after they've been kicked out of the public school system.
All the 8th graders going there feel superior to the kids going to public high schools. Part of it is the parents. Though. The parents think by spending 13K on tuition a year, Jesus himself is going to come down and protect their kids from drinking, drugs, and sex.
(The reality is this school has had a long standing reputation...think 40 years...for having the *good* parties because the kids/parents can afford the good drugs and the good booze). I actually have a lot of fun having discussions where I say "well, you know, there are drugs, drink, sex, and kids who fail at the school." Parents and kids alike look at me like I have two heads.
I guess Jesus requires more money to come down and protect the kids from themselves.
It's been a while since I've been close to a family that has sent their kids there. I know when one of my old kiddos went there, he was invited to a sweet 16 party. Limos, kids were expected to dress up in formal wear, the whole 9 yards. Around here, there's tiers of private school choices based on wealth/tuition cost - and which 'burb the school is in. Location is a better indicator of wealth and all the baggage that comes along with it; even the public school kids in the wealthy 'burbs are keeping up with the Jones. I went to a middle of the pack girls' Catholic school that drew from the middle class 'burbs, on scholarship, and noticed more drugs on the public school buses (our first leg) than among my classmates. But, yeah, as you moved up the $$$ scale of local private schools, I'm sure there were much better parties. The two wealthiest private schools are the outlier secular ones, not Catholic, so there's not even the veneer of morality angst over it. But I agree with Athena that the private schools here can boot you out if you don't maintain their standards, whether that's academic or behavioral, while the publics are required to take all students. The ones they need/want to remove for behavioral issues they send to agencies like my DH taught at. Those students have to be pretty bad for a district to agree to pay the agency cost to place them there instead of keeping them in-house, because it's steep.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 24, 2022 7:02:30 GMT -5
And that's why private schools shouldn't get even a penny of tax money. You can't discriminate and then boast better academics for the chosen few who are kept.
And it is discrimination.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 7:56:06 GMT -5
And that's why private schools shouldn't get even a penny of tax money. You can't discriminate and then boast better academics for the chosen few who are kept. And it is discrimination. So... kids who are falling through the cracks in the public school systems who aren't academic or athletic superstars (thus not eligible for scholarships) have private school as an option only if their parents have money. O-Kay.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jul 24, 2022 8:20:50 GMT -5
And that's why private schools shouldn't get even a penny of tax money. You can't discriminate and then boast better academics for the chosen few who are kept. And it is discrimination. I agree with you. The way the private schools toss kids with problems to the public schools is ridiculous. Those are the most expensive kids to educate and the private schools don't do that. The governor of Iowa is trying to provide vouchers to go to private schools with tax dollars. It did not pass this year but it's being fine tuned so it will pass. The state legislature is busy lowering the amount of money per student that it provides to the school districts. Iowa was at one time considered one of the best states for education. That was the reason for high property taxes. Now the results on testing puts us way down the list. The more $$ leave the public school system, the worse off the public schools will be. If parents want to send their kids to private schools, let them pay for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 8:28:29 GMT -5
Iowa was at one time considered one of the best states for education. That was the reason for high property taxes. Now the results on testing puts us way down the list. The more $$ leave the public school system, the worse off the public schools will be. Uh-huh. They took your tax money in return for the promise to provide "free" public education and it's deteriorating. And they still get to keep your tax money. Although I agree with the need for a public school system, this is what happens when the government has a monopoly on your tax dollars to provide a service. In my state they just decreased bus service- excuse me, they increased the "Parent responsibility zone" by requiring that you live further from the school in order to qualify for bus service- regardless of how dangerous the roads are for pedestrians in your area. And lack of taxpayer support for private schools still means only rich kids and superstars have options.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jul 24, 2022 8:33:53 GMT -5
Taxpayer dollars should be in public schools period. End of discussion.
I absolutely do not want to support a religious private school of any denomination.
Here, the public schools are required to provide bus transportation to the private schools. Private schools should be providing their own transportation. They have the money.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 24, 2022 9:25:09 GMT -5
And that's why private schools shouldn't get even a penny of tax money. You can't discriminate and then boast better academics for the chosen few who are kept. And it is discrimination. So... kids who are falling through the cracks in the public school systems who aren't academic or athletic superstars (thus not eligible for scholarships) have private school as an option only if their parents have money. O-Kay. What creates the situation for a student to be "falling through the cracks"? There has to be some issue to cause that. I don't see many private schools exactly jumping up to provide seats for those students with issues. The social agreement is that I pay tax dollars to public schools and in exchange I have representation through a school board on how that money is spent and how the student population is educated. When my tax dollars go to a private school to educate students, I lose that representation opportunity. I am good with paying school taxes only as long as I have a say. If parents alone are making the decisions, parents alone should be paying the bills.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jul 24, 2022 9:27:25 GMT -5
There are many private schools that are not religious. Suburban public schools are usually adequate or even good. But the inner city schools are a disgrace and I get angry that my tax dollars go to these failing schools. Patterson NJ has a 70% failure rate for math and English. The school district has failed and continues to fail these kids. I’d much rather tax money follows the child snd parents with kids in these failing schools have the opportunity to go to other schools - charters, private or religious. Some school that helps kids learn and not be subjected to failure. Our country needs an educated population . Not all private schools have wealthy population
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 24, 2022 9:30:35 GMT -5
And that's why private schools shouldn't get even a penny of tax money. You can't discriminate and then boast better academics for the chosen few who are kept. And it is discrimination. So... kids who are falling through the cracks in the public school systems who aren't academic or athletic superstars (thus not eligible for scholarships) have private school as an option only if their parents have money. O-Kay. Removing tax payer money is going to fix public school issues? No! There are issues to fix, but the answer is not to take away money. They can't kick kids out and they meet everyone where they're at. You cannot compare that to private schools who discriminate against kids with disabilities. Full stop - somehow that is legal. And private schools - statistically - also discriminate along racial, religious, sexual orientation/gender lines. Tax payer money absolutely shouldn't be diverted to these organizations. I've been in an incredible, low budget public school system. Our efforts have to be in providing the best public school options available to every child. That is in every single citizens interest. How, how, how can anyone argue that taking money away is the answer? The poor, queer, disabled, and poc still won't benefit from these private schools no matter how much money you give them. They are literally turned away. I know you didn't have good luck with your son in public school - 25 years ago. And now your grandkids are homeschooling. With respect you have no idea what goes on in public school. Please don't advocate to take away resources from those of us who do. My high honors, well behaved, DISABLED son needs public school. Every kid like him does. Those kids are going to be providing for all of us in the decades to come.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 24, 2022 9:33:16 GMT -5
There are many private schools that are not religious. Suburban public schools are usually adequate or even good. But the inner city schools are a disgrace and I get angry that my tax dollars go to these failing schools. Patterson NJ has a 70% failure rate for math and English. The school district has failed and continues to fail these kids. I’d much rather tax money follows the child snd parents with kids in these failing schools have the opportunity to go to other schools - charters, private or religious. Some school that helps kids learn and not be subjected to failure. Our country needs an educated population . Not all private schools have wealthy population Are the schools failing or are parents failing? Would it be the parents of the 70% or parents of the 30% who took advantage of vouchers?
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 24, 2022 9:33:20 GMT -5
There are many private schools that are not religious. Suburban public schools are usually adequate or even good. But the inner city schools are a disgrace and I get angry that my tax dollars go to these failing schools. Patterson NJ has a 70% failure rate for math and English. The school district has failed and continues to fail these kids. I’d much rather tax money follows the child snd parents with kids in these failing schools have the opportunity to go to other schools - charters, private or religious. Some school that helps kids learn and not be subjected to failure. Our country needs an educated population . Not all private schools have wealthy population But those success rates at charters and private schools are already kids without medical or behavioral needs. Would they succeed if they admitted kids struggling with add, adhd, or odd? Kids who need a health assistant on staff? Kids who come into any grade not speaking English?
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 24, 2022 9:46:14 GMT -5
There are good, smart kids who are struggling with invisible disabilities that look like bad behavior. Kids who act out, throw tantrums, or shut down. Inside that shell - that private schools write off - are smart kids who want to do well. Kids who want to help, who don't want to act out or end up the center of attention. I've watched my kids elementary school help a couple of those kids in ways I never could have imagined when they started.
Private schools just turn them away so they can focus on the kids already doing well. So that "good kids" aren't hampered by other people's struggles.
I take every private school success with a huge grain of salt. It's really easy to boast great success when you can literally expel anyone who isn't up to par.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jul 24, 2022 10:09:08 GMT -5
Many or even most charter schools have lotteries for student enrollment. Parents and students admitted or not are similar but consistently charter school kids are more successful. 70% of Paterson kids aren’t handicapped etc , many speak Spanish at home but their not stupid but they’re sadly doomed to fail by their schools as are many in NY. So an idealistic belief that only public schools use tax monies leads to a large number of kids with substandard education? Is that what is best for the country? It’s not just wealthy www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/charter-schools-lotteries/2020/12/31/2816a31e-4aaf-11eb-839a-cf4ba7b7c48c_story.html
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 24, 2022 10:10:13 GMT -5
No vouchers - if private schools want to take public $$, then they need to follow the same rules as public schools.
That means they HAVE to provide special ed services, provide their own transportation (public districts must provide that for the privates and agencies by state law here), and follow state education board certification rules (must have masters as a teacher, for example), etc.
Private schools may want the public $$, but they don't want the extra responsibilities and oversight that would come along with it if a voucher system were put in place that fairly distributed public education $$, and didn't siphon off the best students to private schools, leaving the more challenging students to a public system with diverted funding.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 24, 2022 10:25:07 GMT -5
Many or even most charter schools have lotteries for student enrollment. Parents and students admitted or not are similar but consistently charter school kids are more successful. 70% of Paterson kids aren’t handicapped etc , many speak Spanish at home but their not stupid but they’re sadly doomed to fail by their schools as are many in NY. So an idealistic belief that only public schools use tax monies leads to a large number of kids with substandard education? Is that what is best for the country? It’s not just wealthy www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/charter-schools-lotteries/2020/12/31/2816a31e-4aaf-11eb-839a-cf4ba7b7c48c_story.htmlSo screw the 30%? Take more money away from the kids struggling the most? That is not the answer. Fight for your public schools. Volunteer, fund raise, get involved. My son's disability is pretty easy to manage especially from a school intervention level. But private schools won't take him. It's discrimination. I know you liked your kids private school education, but advocating to send tax money there is intentionally hurting the kids struggling the most. Even without his disability, plenty of private schools wouldn't take my kids because their parents are queer. How is that fair, ok, or good for society?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 24, 2022 10:28:34 GMT -5
Many or even most charter schools have lotteries for student enrollment. Parents and students admitted or not are similar but consistently charter school kids are more successful. 70% of Paterson kids aren’t handicapped etc , many speak Spanish at home but their not stupid but they’re sadly doomed to fail by their schools as are many in NY. So an idealistic belief that only public schools use tax monies leads to a large number of kids with substandard education? Is that what is best for the country? It’s not just wealthy www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/charter-schools-lotteries/2020/12/31/2816a31e-4aaf-11eb-839a-cf4ba7b7c48c_story.html If each child in public schools is automatically entered into the lottery drawing then the lottery would be significant. If it is only children who have an adult involved enough in their lives to have them included, that seriously alters what is the significant factor.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 24, 2022 10:31:41 GMT -5
Adding my kids are ones that are going to do well no matter where they go. They are easy kids who follow rules to a fault and test well without effort.
But my arguments are for the kids who don't have those advantages. They need us, and I've seen public schools provide absolutely beautifully for long term success of kids. That is what we need to be making happen everywhere.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 24, 2022 10:47:54 GMT -5
Adding my kids are ones that are going to do well no matter where they go. They are easy kids who follow rules to a fault and test well without effort. But my arguments are for the kids who don't have those advantages. They need us, and I've seen public schools provide absolutely beautifully for long term success of kids. That is what we need to be making happen everywhere. while understanding that it is not possible for schools to overcome all obstacles that students might bring to their door. I heard of a study (before we had the interwebs to document everything) that tested students at the start of the school year and at the end of the school year. It showed that gaps between different identifiable groups closed. When the students were tested at the start of the next school year, after a summer away from school, the gaps were wider. Schools are an easy target in a very complex battle moving human beings from dependent childhood to successful independent adulthood.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 24, 2022 12:03:07 GMT -5
Many or even most charter schools have lotteries for student enrollment. Parents and students admitted or not are similar but consistently charter school kids are more successful. 70% of Paterson kids aren’t handicapped etc , many speak Spanish at home but their not stupid but they’re sadly doomed to fail by their schools as are many in NY. So an idealistic belief that only public schools use tax monies leads to a large number of kids with substandard education? Is that what is best for the country? It’s not just wealthy www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/charter-schools-lotteries/2020/12/31/2816a31e-4aaf-11eb-839a-cf4ba7b7c48c_story.html If each child in public schools is automatically entered into the lottery drawing then the lottery would be significant. If it is only children who have an adult involved enough in their lives to have them included, that seriously alters what is the significant factor. So much this! Parents' involvement is a much bigger factor in a student's success than what school they attend. Dysfunction in a home makes learning a challenge for all students, but especially ones who may have other challenges like learning or health issues on top. Having parents who have their own shit together enough to have the bandwidth to also advocate for the best educational opportunities for their children makes a huge difference, vs letting your children drift and hope the school they attend is managing them well. This is a much bigger reason wealthy area schools tend to have better student outcomes than do poor inner city schools - parents who are functional enough to afford homes in the wealthy district (i.e., have good jobs consistently and manage finances) are probably also going to invest time and care in their children; parents who can't manage to escape poverty stricken areas have problems overwhelming them, and they may be less likely to effectively intervene in their children's education. Many times we were told by teachers at a school open house night, "just the fact you are here tonight, means I'm not concerned about your child. It's the ones whose parents DON'T show up that I need to be concerned about." The individual schools are less a predictor of success than the attitude of the parents of the students who attend the school. A successful school has a large number of parents who are involved in their student's education. A failing school has large numbers of uninvolved parents. Private schools, and wealthy district public schools were actively chosen by involved parents, who chose to avoid a failing school. This skews apparent "success" to the wealthy schools.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 24, 2022 12:07:56 GMT -5
Of course, suddenly having to make all the decisions about things you (generic you ) know little or nothing about would be life changing AND might even change you (your perception of who you are and/or change your behavior/maybe cause introspection and redefining ones moral/ethical beliefs).
I do think having to make decisions about that much money - might make someone realize they "aren't such a very nice person or that they made unfortunate mistakes" because they will have to decide who to say "no" to or to witness the results of saying "yes" that don't have "happy consequences". And they will be involved in those outcomes.
I guessing even if you are familiar with handling 10m in investments (and the lifestyle that may accompany that) suddenly having to make decisions about 100m or more won't be a walk in the park.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 24, 2022 12:17:19 GMT -5
Concerning test scores: Here is a small little truth that is easy to overlook but very significant. The level of motivation to mark correct answers makes a difference in test scores. For most students if they knows that someone at home will be looking at results and make their life better or worse depending on how they do, they will put more effort into getting answers correct.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 24, 2022 12:42:08 GMT -5
Of course, suddenly having to make all the decisions about things you (generic you ) know little or nothing about would be life changing AND might even change you (your perception of who you are and/or change your behavior/maybe cause introspection and redefining ones moral/ethical beliefs). I do think having to make decisions about that much money - might make someone realize they "aren't such a very nice person or that they made unfortunate mistakes" because they will have to decide who to say "no" to or to witness the results of saying "yes" that don't have "happy consequences". And they will be involved in those outcomes. I guessing even if you are familiar with handling 10m in investments (and the lifestyle that may accompany that) suddenly having to make decisions about 100m or more won't be a walk in the park. I have step-kids (I married their mom after they were adults so I did not parent them at all) who would be totally blown away by what we would want them to have if we won a huge amount. I have suggested to my wife that we demand they meet with financial advisors, professional but of their choice, and have a plan developed before they get a significant amount of money. Not that we would approve or disapprove, just that they demonstrate prior thought. I do wonder if she would follow through with that idea. The plan for us is to split a jackpot 50/50, toss in equal shares for mutually agreed upon expenditures and then individually have control of what we each have left. I have decided on my own that I will toss some into the pot for her kids only if they do have a plan.
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Removing taxpayer money is going to fix public school issues? No! There are issues to fix, but the answer is not to take away money. They can't kick kids out and they meet everyone where they're at. You cannot compare that to private schools who discriminate against kids with disabilities. Full stop - somehow that is legal. And private schools - statistically - also discriminate along racial, religious, sexual orientation/gender lines. <snip> I know you didn't have good luck with your son in public school - 25 years ago. And now your grandkids are homeschooling. With respect you have no idea what goes on in public school. Please don't advocate to take away resources from those of us who do. My high honors, well behaved, DISABLED son needs public school. Every kid like him does. Those kids are going to be providing for all of us in the decades to come. You have a good memory! But my son is a perfect example of someone less-than-stellar, who was accepted at both NY Military Academy and Valley Forge. He was getting over my divorce after a difficult marriage from his controlling, verbally abusive, alcoholic father. He had (still has) ADD and had a poor self-image. He probably would have squeaked through the public school system and graduated but at NYMA he excelled. He needed structure and discipline that the public schools failed to impose. So much for meeting everyone "where they're at". As for race- staff and student body had a FAR higher % of POC than our school district did. And let's look at the other side of the coin. If the public school system is not serving the needs of individual kids the ones they'll lose are the ones with the engaged parents who care enough to seek other schooling or home-school (the percentage of kids home-schooled has doubled in the pandemic). Those parents are also more likely to have the interest and resources to support the school in additional ways such as volunteering and financial contributions.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 24, 2022 13:18:11 GMT -5
Removing taxpayer money is going to fix public school issues? No! There are issues to fix, but the answer is not to take away money. They can't kick kids out and they meet everyone where they're at. You cannot compare that to private schools who discriminate against kids with disabilities. Full stop - somehow that is legal. And private schools - statistically - also discriminate along racial, religious, sexual orientation/gender lines. <snip> I know you didn't have good luck with your son in public school - 25 years ago. And now your grandkids are homeschooling. With respect you have no idea what goes on in public school. Please don't advocate to take away resources from those of us who do. My high honors, well behaved, DISABLED son needs public school. Every kid like him does. Those kids are going to be providing for all of us in the decades to come. You have a good memory! But my son is a perfect example of someone less-than-stellar, who was accepted at both NY Military Academy and Valley Forge. He was getting over my divorce after a difficult marriage from his controlling, verbally abusive, alcoholic father. He had (still has) ADD and had a poor self-image. He probably would have squeaked through the public school system and graduated but at NYMA he excelled. He needed structure and discipline that the public schools failed to impose. So much for meeting everyone "where they're at". As for race- staff and student body had a FAR higher % of POC than our school district did. And let's look at the other side of the coin. If the public school system is not serving the needs of individual kids the ones they'll lose are the ones with the engaged parents who care enough to seek other schooling or home-school (the percentage of kids home-schooled has doubled in the pandemic). Those parents are also more likely to have the interest and resources to support the school in additional ways such as volunteering and financial contributions. Public schools are horrible at meeting the needs of kids who need to be in military boarding school environments.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 15:34:44 GMT -5
Public schools are horrible at meeting the needs of kids who need to be in military boarding school environments. Oh.. you mean like a consistent system of rewards for good behavior and consequences for breaking the rules that's actually enforced? But....but... raeoflyte said public schools meet kids where they are! Mine didn't have any severe problems, thank God. No substance abuse, no illegal activities, not violent, decent IQ. But I had to drag him out of bed and he'd always be late, putting on shoes and socks in the car and arriving late to class. They never enforced any of the posted penalties for being late. He lied and said he didn't have homework or said he did it all at school. OK, I had my head up my rear because I had my own issues and was scrambling to make a living in a HCOL area with no CS. The school never told me he wasn't doing homework. He wasn't doing any damage to THEM, only hurting himself, so they ignored him. As a math major, DS considered teaching and actually did student teaching. He loved working with the kids but couldn't deal with the bureaucracy. He said the teachers had no authority.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 24, 2022 17:14:16 GMT -5
Public schools are horrible at meeting the needs of kids who need to be in military boarding school environments. Oh.. you mean like a consistent system of rewards for good behavior and consequences for breaking the rules that's actually enforced? But....but... raeoflyte said public schools meet kids where they are! Mine didn't have any severe problems, thank God. No substance abuse, no illegal activities, not violent, decent IQ. But I had to drag him out of bed and he'd always be late, putting on shoes and socks in the car and arriving late to class. They never enforced any of the posted penalties for being late. He lied and said he didn't have homework or said he did it all at school. OK, I had my head up my rear because I had my own issues and was scrambling to make a living in a HCOL area with no CS. The school never told me he wasn't doing homework. He wasn't doing any damage to THEM, only hurting himself, so they ignored him. As a math major, DS considered teaching and actually did student teaching. He loved working with the kids but couldn't deal with the bureaucracy. He said the teachers had no authority. this post really helps me understand why a boarding school helped this young man be successful.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 24, 2022 19:28:32 GMT -5
Public schools are horrible at meeting the needs of kids who need to be in military boarding school environments. Oh.. you mean like a consistent system of rewards for good behavior and consequences for breaking the rules that's actually enforced? But....but... raeoflyte said public schools meet kids where they are! Mine didn't have any severe problems, thank God. No substance abuse, no illegal activities, not violent, decent IQ. But I had to drag him out of bed and he'd always be late, putting on shoes and socks in the car and arriving late to class. They never enforced any of the posted penalties for being late. He lied and said he didn't have homework or said he did it all at school. OK, I had my head up my rear because I had my own issues and was scrambling to make a living in a HCOL area with no CS. The school never told me he wasn't doing homework. He wasn't doing any damage to THEM, only hurting himself, so they ignored him. As a math major, DS considered teaching and actually did student teaching. He loved working with the kids but couldn't deal with the bureaucracy. He said the teachers had no authority. I've also had kids in the public school system for the last 7 years. My anecdotal info is a heck of a lot more current than yours and I'm arguing to help more students. I'm sorry your son struggled but that 1 singular experience isn't reason to advocate gutting public schools.
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raeoflyte
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 24, 2022 19:34:32 GMT -5
Removing taxpayer money is going to fix public school issues? No! There are issues to fix, but the answer is not to take away money. They can't kick kids out and they meet everyone where they're at. You cannot compare that to private schools who discriminate against kids with disabilities. Full stop - somehow that is legal. And private schools - statistically - also discriminate along racial, religious, sexual orientation/gender lines. <snip> I know you didn't have good luck with your son in public school - 25 years ago. And now your grandkids are homeschooling. With respect you have no idea what goes on in public school. Please don't advocate to take away resources from those of us who do. My high honors, well behaved, DISABLED son needs public school. Every kid like him does. Those kids are going to be providing for all of us in the decades to come. You have a good memory! But my son is a perfect example of someone less-than-stellar, who was accepted at both NY Military Academy and Valley Forge. He was getting over my divorce after a difficult marriage from his controlling, verbally abusive, alcoholic father. He had (still has) ADD and had a poor self-image. He probably would have squeaked through the public school system and graduated but at NYMA he excelled. He needed structure and discipline that the public schools failed to impose. So much for meeting everyone "where they're at". As for race- staff and student body had a FAR higher % of POC than our school district did. And let's look at the other side of the coin. If the public school system is not serving the needs of individual kids the ones they'll lose are the ones with the engaged parents who care enough to seek other schooling or home-school (the percentage of kids home-schooled has doubled in the pandemic). Those parents are also more likely to have the interest and resources to support the school in additional ways such as volunteering and financial contributions. You lived in a white neighborhood which is why your private school wasn't diverse. You've ignored the fact that private schools can and do discriminate against kids with disabilities. It's no secret I'm not a fan of private schools, but the fact you want to take away resources from public schools is what kills my soul. You have 3 homeschooling kids you interact with. I have dozens of public/charter/homeschooling kids. Please rethink your position. Please at least try to get current real public school exposure. What your advocating for will hurt kids and hurt society.
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billisonboard
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 24, 2022 20:41:46 GMT -5
Public schools are horrible at meeting the needs of kids who need to be in military boarding school environments. Oh.. you mean like a consistent system of rewards for good behavior and consequences for breaking the rules that's actually enforced? But....but... raeoflyte said public schools meet kids where they are! Mine didn't have any severe problems, thank God. No substance abuse, no illegal activities, not violent, decent IQ. But I had to drag him out of bed and he'd always be late, putting on shoes and socks in the car and arriving late to class. They never enforced any of the posted penalties for being late. He lied and said he didn't have homework or said he did it all at school. OK, I had my head up my rear because I had my own issues and was scrambling to make a living in a HCOL area with no CS. The school never told me he wasn't doing homework. He wasn't doing any damage to THEM, only hurting himself, so they ignored him. As a math major, DS considered teaching and actually did student teaching. He loved working with the kids but couldn't deal with the bureaucracy. He said the teachers had no authority. Sometimes schools recognize quite accurately where a student and family is. The school where I work has a student whose mother consistently drops her off late, on days she gets her to school at all. We welcome, don't punish, the student when she arrives.
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