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Post by hurley1980 on Jul 28, 2022 12:53:07 GMT -5
i don't think the GOP has ever been that interested in the constitution.but the last half century has definitely undermined any interest they have in the UNITED States. They sure like to scream about how much they are though! Which is funny, because Trump and most (maybe all) of his supporters have never even read the constitution.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 28, 2022 13:03:00 GMT -5
So an open question to any and all: If the vote goes to the Democrat and it is overturned by state elected officials, accepted by Congress, and confirmed by the Supreme Court - do you think that the American people will just throw up there hands or will there be some, or serious bloodshed? I think it would result in a civil war. I also think we would see a lot of people leaving the country and seeking refuge elsewhere. If Trump wins, I would think of leaving the country....and I'm in Canada. The batshit crazy USA would be far too close for comfort. It's like living next door to a mental institution....lots of screaming, insanity, and the occasional escapee breaking into your house.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 28, 2022 13:26:38 GMT -5
I strongly suspect if the Republican candidate does not win in 2024 - there will be an even stronger "The election was stolen! Election Fraud!" hue and cry which I think will lead to another replay of the 2020 election and vote counting... but this time there will be government officials (and a Supreme Court) much more willing to "steal the election" for their candidate.
And I suspect it will be much easier to intimated any elected official who balks at going along with rectifying the "stolen election". trump's got a whole army of armed supporters who seem happy to "overthrow" our government at the last possible moment - and since a show of force at the Capitol didn't work - what's to stop them from applying pressure early on in the counting/certifying process??
I'm guessing if a Democrat wins in 2024 and the Republicans can't change the vote - we will have a civil war. That is kind of the most likely outcome - the republican candidate doesn't win, the vote can't be changed, the only way to "correct this mistake" is civil war.
Personally, I'm worried that if Republicans win - they will finish what they've been working on for decades and more or less cement themselves into power. America will be a democracy in name only.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 28, 2022 17:55:53 GMT -5
I strongly suspect if the Republican candidate does not win in 2024 - there will be an even stronger "The election was stolen! Election Fraud!" hue and cry which I think will lead to another replay of the 2020 election and vote counting... but this time there will be government officials (and a Supreme Court) much more willing to "steal the election" for their candidate. And I suspect it will be much easier to intimated any elected official who balks at going along with rectifying the "stolen election". trump's got a whole army of armed supporters who seem happy to "overthrow" our government at the last possible moment - and since a show of force at the Capitol didn't work - what's to stop them from applying pressure early on in the counting/certifying process?? I'm guessing if a Democrat wins in 2024 and the Republicans can't change the vote - we will have a civil war. That is kind of the most likely outcome - the republican candidate doesn't win, the vote can't be changed, the only way to "correct this mistake" is civil war. Personally, I'm worried that if Republicans win - they will finish what they've been working on for decades and more or less cement themselves into power. America will be a democracy in name only. But does he really have an army of supporters who would be willing to provide a show of force for him? In his Stop the Steal rally on J6 he claimed he had 100s of thousands of attendees - but photos show just several thousands, and not all who attended the rally marched to attack the Capital. www.newsweek.com/trump-claims-jan-6-rally-size-censored-media-crowd-was-biggest-hes-seen-1667199But the crowds, already smaller than Trump claimed, have been shrinking since J6. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-touts-massive-turnout-georgia-003345358.htmlPlus, I think any rabble rouser’s enthusiasm would be dampened by the knowledge that if everything goes south, they’re going to jail, because Trump won’t lift a finger to help them out. Not just the minions, but any inner circle advisors (look at Bannon). Not that the threat of a dictator isn’t there - there is still a huge risk, but I don’t think Trump will be the one to lead it. Some younger, charismatic man coming from the Patriotic Nationalists group could still rouse the MAGA masses to follow him. I think our only hope is that all the people trying hard to pick up that mantle will destroy each other before any of them can grab the national enthusiasm.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2022 15:37:50 GMT -5
I strongly suspect if the Republican candidate does not win in 2024 - there will be an even stronger "The election was stolen! Election Fraud!" hue and cry which I think will lead to another replay of the 2020 election and vote counting... but this time there will be government officials (and a Supreme Court) much more willing to "steal the election" for their candidate. And I suspect it will be much easier to intimated any elected official who balks at going along with rectifying the "stolen election". trump's got a whole army of armed supporters who seem happy to "overthrow" our government at the last possible moment - and since a show of force at the Capitol didn't work - what's to stop them from applying pressure early on in the counting/certifying process?? I'm guessing if a Democrat wins in 2024 and the Republicans can't change the vote - we will have a civil war. That is kind of the most likely outcome - the republican candidate doesn't win, the vote can't be changed, the only way to "correct this mistake" is civil war. Personally, I'm worried that if Republicans win - they will finish what they've been working on for decades and more or less cement themselves into power. America will be a democracy in name only. this is pretty lucid, imo. i am not quite as cynical about what happens if a Democrat wins. i think the Trumpistas are kindof a bunch of fakers, disorganized, and really not up to a Civil War. but i think they will absolutely shit themselves. there is also the possibility that Trump will be in jail or dead by 2024. in short, there are a few OTHER possibilities than the ones you present here, but these are not unlikely.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2022 15:39:53 GMT -5
it looks like happy beat me to the point, but i am not quite that OPTIMISTIC. i am kinda halfway between these two posters. i think the Democrats have to fight like there is no tomorrow, because there might not be.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 25, 2022 18:07:17 GMT -5
I strongly suspect if the Republican candidate does not win in 2024 - there will be an even stronger "The election was stolen! Election Fraud!" hue and cry which I think will lead to another replay of the 2020 election and vote counting... but this time there will be government officials (and a Supreme Court) much more willing to "steal the election" for their candidate. And I suspect it will be much easier to intimated any elected official who balks at going along with rectifying the "stolen election". trump's got a whole army of armed supporters who seem happy to "overthrow" our government at the last possible moment - and since a show of force at the Capitol didn't work - what's to stop them from applying pressure early on in the counting/certifying process?? I'm guessing if a Democrat wins in 2024 and the Republicans can't change the vote - we will have a civil war. That is kind of the most likely outcome - the republican candidate doesn't win, the vote can't be changed, the only way to "correct this mistake" is civil war. Personally, I'm worried that if Republicans win - they will finish what they've been working on for decades and more or less cement themselves into power. America will be a democracy in name only. But does he really have an army of supporters who would be willing to provide a show of force for him? In his Stop the Steal rally on J6 he claimed he had 100s of thousands of attendees - but photos show just several thousands, and not all who attended the rally marched to attack the Capital. www.newsweek.com/trump-claims-jan-6-rally-size-censored-media-crowd-was-biggest-hes-seen-1667199But the crowds, already smaller than Trump claimed, have been shrinking since J6. www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-touts-massive-turnout-georgia-003345358.htmlPlus, I think any rabble rouser’s enthusiasm would be dampened by the knowledge that if everything goes south, they’re going to jail, because Trump won’t lift a finger to help them out. Not just the minions, but any inner circle advisors (look at Bannon). Not that the threat of a dictator isn’t there - there is still a huge risk, but I don’t think Trump will be the one to lead it. Some younger, charismatic man coming from the Patriotic Nationalists group could still rouse the MAGA masses to follow him. I think our only hope is that all the people trying hard to pick up that mantle will destroy each other before any of them can grab the national enthusiasm. Time-lapse video of attack on the Capitol. Time is military time (24 hour).
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Post by deminmaine on Aug 25, 2022 19:23:25 GMT -5
I do not believe that trump runs in 2024, at least not credibly. Legal woes, age, personal issues all weigh strongly against it. Of course these are crazy times....
I don't believe he wins. However these are very, very dangerous times.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 26, 2022 2:16:46 GMT -5
I do not believe that trump runs in 2024, at least not credibly. Legal woes, age, personal issues all weigh strongly against it. Of course these are crazy times.... I don't believe he wins. However these are very, very dangerous times. We didn’t believe he would win in 2016 either. Look where that went.
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 26, 2022 5:38:54 GMT -5
I do not believe that trump runs in 2024, at least not credibly. Legal woes, age, personal issues all weigh strongly against it. Of course these are crazy times.... I don't believe he wins. However these are very, very dangerous times. We didn’t believe he would win in 2016 either. Look where that went. True, I remember laughing my ass off when he strolled down that escalator and said he was going to build a wall and Mexico was going to pay for it. Like who in their right mind wouldn't laugh him off the stage?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2022 8:50:17 GMT -5
he tapped into the Ugly American vote. it is horrifying to learn how large it is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2022 8:54:05 GMT -5
I do not believe that trump runs in 2024, at least not credibly. Legal woes, age, personal issues all weigh strongly against it. Of course these are crazy times.... I don't believe he wins. However these are very, very dangerous times. i appreciate your perspective. here is mine. if his gripe gets big enough, he runs. and i think is gripe is big enough. so i think he runs. i entertain serious doubts about him winning the nomination. he will claim he did, of course. and that will throw the GOP into chaos. Trump will probably try to split off. it will be too late, of course. he will be excluded from probably half the ballots in the US. so, he will run as an independent write-in. and it will DESTROY the GOP at the top of the ballot, and quite possibly down-ballot. and he will lose, of course. because half of half the voters does not equal victory. and he will contest it. and he will lose that contest. that is actually a SUNNY perspective, coming from me. i have a darker one, if you are interested in hearing it.
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Post by dondub on Aug 26, 2022 11:49:09 GMT -5
I do not believe that trump runs in 2024, at least not credibly. Legal woes, age, personal issues all weigh strongly against it. Of course these are crazy times.... I don't believe he wins. However these are very, very dangerous times. i appreciate your perspective. here is mine. if his gripe gets big enough, he runs. and i think is gripe is big enough. so i think he runs. i entertain serious doubts about him winning the nomination. he will claim he did, of course. and that will throw the GOP into chaos. Trump will probably try to split off. it will be too late, of course. he will be excluded from probably half the ballots in the US. so, he will run as an independent write-in. and it will DESTROY the GOP at the top of the ballot, and quite possibly down-ballot. and he will lose, of course. because half of half the voters does not equal victory. and he will contest it. and he will lose that contest. that is actually a SUNNY perspective, coming from me. i have a darker one, if you are interested in hearing it. Yes.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 26, 2022 12:20:12 GMT -5
i appreciate your perspective. here is mine. if his gripe gets big enough, he runs. and i think is gripe is big enough. so i think he runs. i entertain serious doubts about him winning the nomination. he will claim he did, of course. and that will throw the GOP into chaos. Trump will probably try to split off. it will be too late, of course. he will be excluded from probably half the ballots in the US. so, he will run as an independent write-in. and it will DESTROY the GOP at the top of the ballot, and quite possibly down-ballot. and he will lose, of course. because half of half the voters does not equal victory. and he will contest it. and he will lose that contest. that is actually a SUNNY perspective, coming from me. i have a darker one, if you are interested in hearing it. Yes.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2022 12:56:28 GMT -5
i appreciate your perspective. here is mine. if his gripe gets big enough, he runs. and i think is gripe is big enough. so i think he runs. i entertain serious doubts about him winning the nomination. he will claim he did, of course. and that will throw the GOP into chaos. Trump will probably try to split off. it will be too late, of course. he will be excluded from probably half the ballots in the US. so, he will run as an independent write-in. and it will DESTROY the GOP at the top of the ballot, and quite possibly down-ballot. and he will lose, of course. because half of half the voters does not equal victory. and he will contest it. and he will lose that contest. that is actually a SUNNY perspective, coming from me. i have a darker one, if you are interested in hearing it. Yes. ok. the darker perspective is that he has already "won". that elections don't actually matter any more. that the game is fixed. that the GOP, state legislatures, and governors, are lining up to put him back into office. and, of course, once that happens, it is over. i have expressed this view before. the biggest indication will be what happens in November. there are probably 2 dozen canaries in the Trump coal mine. how many survive will determine his chances in 2024. it if is near unanimous, i will go back to being my old dreary self. if they get roundly defeated, i will be sunnier. unfortunately, it will very likely not be either of these outcomes, and will leave us arguing about it for the next two years.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 26, 2022 13:33:48 GMT -5
ok. the darker perspective is that he has already "won". that elections don't actually matter any more. that the game is fixed. that the GOP, state legislatures, and governors, are lining up to put him back into office. and, of course, once that happens, it is over. i have expressed this view before. the biggest indication will be what happens in November. there are probably 2 dozen canaries in the Trump coal mine. how many survive will determine his chances in 2024. it if is near unanimous, i will go back to being my old dreary self. if they get roundly defeated, i will be sunnier. unfortunately, it will very likely not be either of these outcomes, and will leave us arguing about it for the next two years. I think it will require the election to be a close loss for "the GOP, state legislatures, and governors," to override it. And I don't see passive acceptance. Whether the insurrection could be countered I won't hazard a guess. EDIT: I agree with the rest of the post.
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Aug 26, 2022 15:16:17 GMT -5
I do not believe that trump runs in 2024, at least not credibly. Legal woes, age, personal issues all weigh strongly against it. Of course these are crazy times.... I don't believe he wins. However these are very, very dangerous times. i appreciate your perspective. here is mine. if his gripe gets big enough, he runs. and i think is gripe is big enough. so i think he runs. i entertain serious doubts about him winning the nomination. he will claim he did, of course. and that will throw the GOP into chaos. Trump will probably try to split off. it will be too late, of course. he will be excluded from probably half the ballots in the US. so, he will run as an independent write-in. and it will DESTROY the GOP at the top of the ballot, and quite possibly down-ballot. and he will lose, of course. because half of half the voters does not equal victory. and he will contest it. and he will lose that contest. that is actually a SUNNY perspective, coming from me. i have a darker one, if you are interested in hearing it. While I would be satisfied with either Deminmaines prediction or your outcome I think I would prefer yours. I would be thrilled if he destroyed the GOP on his way out. Icing on the delish cake!
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2022 16:07:56 GMT -5
i appreciate your perspective. here is mine. if his gripe gets big enough, he runs. and i think is gripe is big enough. so i think he runs. i entertain serious doubts about him winning the nomination. he will claim he did, of course. and that will throw the GOP into chaos. Trump will probably try to split off. it will be too late, of course. he will be excluded from probably half the ballots in the US. so, he will run as an independent write-in. and it will DESTROY the GOP at the top of the ballot, and quite possibly down-ballot. and he will lose, of course. because half of half the voters does not equal victory. and he will contest it. and he will lose that contest. that is actually a SUNNY perspective, coming from me. i have a darker one, if you are interested in hearing it. While I would be satisfied with either Deminmaines prediction or your outcome I think I would prefer yours. I would be thrilled if he destroyed the GOP on his way out. Icing on the delish cake! i think it is the MOST LIKELY outcome at this jucture. but this is a rapidly evolving situation. you know, after his home got raided, i expected more of a "civil war" atmosphere. but i think there is just enough questioning about it that it lacks legs. and that is a very hopeful sign.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 26, 2022 18:06:46 GMT -5
he tapped into the Ugly American vote. it is horrifying to learn how large it is. And this is who will be staging the "Civil War". It's not based on trump. A heck ton of Americans "looked the other way" while trump was President because they were getting what they wanted (the supreme court and a more Religious Conservative America). If enough Democrats take offices in 2024 - do you not think the Republican rally cry will not be "WAR!"
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2022 18:16:41 GMT -5
i am currently in a place where i have gone from overestimating them to maybe underestimating them. it has been a strange evolution.
Trump's voters have the same demographic as racist groups. they are by and large uneducated or under-educated white males, and the females that are either drawn to such men or partners with them. the next questions that come to mind are: how easily are these people drawn together, organized and dispatched, and how likely are they to remain coherent in a "struggle".
the first answer is relatively easily. but it takes someone way up the food chain to do it. enter Trump.
the second answer is not very. because despite the fact that they are drawn to Trump, the have very little in common. some are economically disadvantaged. some are genuine racists. some are conspiracy nuts. some are just feeling alienation and a sense of despair that is relieved by "strong man" leadership. and pretty much all of them fear losing status in the future- in other words, they don't see a way forward that gave them the same advantages their parents had.
so, i think this whole gravy train falls apart, ultimately. because unity requires trust, and these are very untrusting people. so, army they shall never be. they lack coherence and unity. but they can cause a lot of disruptive trouble.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 26, 2022 18:19:56 GMT -5
I always feel like trump is a "puppet".
What States (and their elected officials) are strongly in his corner??
I think that is what is going to decide if he runs for President again. I think that is why trump is so active in backing people running for certain offices in certain states. He needs HIS people in positions of power in order to make another run for president.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 26, 2022 18:41:49 GMT -5
i am currently in a place where i have gone from overestimating them to maybe underestimating them. it has been a strange evolution. Trump's voters have the same demographic as racist groups. they are by and large uneducated or under-educated white males, and the females that are either drawn to such men or partners with them. the next questions that come to mind are: how easily are these people drawn together, organized and dispatched, and how likely are they to remain coherent in a "struggle". the first answer is relatively easily. but it takes someone way up the food chain to do it. enter Trump. the second answer is not very. because despite the fact that they are drawn to Trump, the have very little in common. some are economically disadvantaged. some are genuine racists. some are conspiracy nuts. some are just feeling alienation and a sense of despair that is relieved by "strong man" leadership. and pretty much all of them fear losing status in the future- in other words, they don't see a way forward that gave them the same advantages their parents had. so, i think this whole gravy train falls apart, ultimately. because unity requires trust, and these are very untrusting people. so, army they shall never be. they lack coherence and unity. but they can cause a lot of disruptive trouble. It's the larger group of people who vote conservative/republican that you have to worry about... if trump is the only choice when it comes to voting for president - they will vote for him (republican, good for business, even if he's a slime he still represents "religious morality", traditional "family", patriotic). I found out people I knew voted for trump the first time around because they couldn't vote for a "democrat". Democrats are "bad for business, not religious, not traditional "family" and not particularly patriotic. I think some of them didn't really like trump (I'm not really sure....) - but it was better than voting Democratic or not voting at all. Why do you think Republicans make it a "religious/moral" choice? Listen to all the rhetoric about Democrats being "liberal". Why is that screamed so loudly and always pointed out no matter what? for the majority of Republicans if they have to vote for either a pile of shit that came out of Republican's ass OR a Democrat they will vote for the piece of shit. The alternative is to cast a vote for everything they've been told to hate/distrust/is immoral/unChristian.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 26, 2022 18:46:28 GMT -5
i am currently in a place where i have gone from overestimating them to maybe underestimating them. it has been a strange evolution. Trump's voters have the same demographic as racist groups. they are by and large uneducated or under-educated white males, and the females that are either drawn to such men or partners with them. the next questions that come to mind are: how easily are these people drawn together, organized and dispatched, and how likely are they to remain coherent in a "struggle". the first answer is relatively easily. but it takes someone way up the food chain to do it. enter Trump. the second answer is not very. because despite the fact that they are drawn to Trump, the have very little in common. some are economically disadvantaged. some are genuine racists. some are conspiracy nuts. some are just feeling alienation and a sense of despair that is relieved by "strong man" leadership. and pretty much all of them fear losing status in the future- in other words, they don't see a way forward that gave them the same advantages their parents had. so, i think this whole gravy train falls apart, ultimately. because unity requires trust, and these are very untrusting people. so, army they shall never be. they lack coherence and unity. but they can cause a lot of disruptive trouble. I think January 6th gives us a great example of what is likely to happen. Trump was able to draw a crowd, point them at the Capitol, and get them to invade. And then ... what? ... they chanted and yelled and threatened, they beat on some local law enforcement and destroyed some stuff, and then they went home. They successfully stalled for a few hours a procedural vote for an action that wasn't even scheduled to take place for another two weeks (which took place on time without incident).
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 26, 2022 18:52:41 GMT -5
i am currently in a place where i have gone from overestimating them to maybe underestimating them. it has been a strange evolution. Trump's voters have the same demographic as racist groups. they are by and large uneducated or under-educated white males, and the females that are either drawn to such men or partners with them. the next questions that come to mind are: how easily are these people drawn together, organized and dispatched, and how likely are they to remain coherent in a "struggle". the first answer is relatively easily. but it takes someone way up the food chain to do it. enter Trump. the second answer is not very. because despite the fact that they are drawn to Trump, the have very little in common. some are economically disadvantaged. some are genuine racists. some are conspiracy nuts. some are just feeling alienation and a sense of despair that is relieved by "strong man" leadership. and pretty much all of them fear losing status in the future- in other words, they don't see a way forward that gave them the same advantages their parents had. so, i think this whole gravy train falls apart, ultimately. because unity requires trust, and these are very untrusting people. so, army they shall never be. they lack coherence and unity. but they can cause a lot of disruptive trouble. It's the larger group of people who vote conservative/republican that you have to worry about... if trump is the only choice when it comes to voting for president - they will vote for him (republican, good for business, even if he's a slime he still represents "religious morality", traditional "family", patriotic). I found out people I knew voted for trump the first time around because they couldn't vote for a "democrat". Democrats are "bad for business, not religious, not traditional "family" and not particularly patriotic. I think some of them didn't really like trump (I'm not really sure....) - but it was better than voting Democratic or not voting at all. Why do you think Republicans make it a "religious/moral" choice? Listen to all the rhetoric about Democrats being "liberal". Why is that screamed so loudly and always pointed out no matter what? for the majority of Republicans if they have to vote for either a pile of shit that came out of Republican's ass OR a Democrat they will vote for the piece of shit. The alternative is to cast a vote for everything they've been told to hate/distrust/is immoral/unChristian. Spot on for a majority of Republicans, but not all. And even if it was all, that is not enough votes to win a presidential election anyway. EDIT: link
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Post by dondub on Aug 26, 2022 20:20:42 GMT -5
i am currently in a place where i have gone from overestimating them to maybe underestimating them. it has been a strange evolution. Trump's voters have the same demographic as racist groups. they are by and large uneducated or under-educated white males, and the females that are either drawn to such men or partners with them. the next questions that come to mind are: how easily are these people drawn together, organized and dispatched, and how likely are they to remain coherent in a "struggle". the first answer is relatively easily. but it takes someone way up the food chain to do it. enter Trump. the second answer is not very. because despite the fact that they are drawn to Trump, the have very little in common. some are economically disadvantaged. some are genuine racists. some are conspiracy nuts. some are just feeling alienation and a sense of despair that is relieved by "strong man" leadership. and pretty much all of them fear losing status in the future- in other words, they don't see a way forward that gave them the same advantages their parents had. so, i think this whole gravy train falls apart, ultimately. because unity requires trust, and these are very untrusting people. so, army they shall never be. they lack coherence and unity. but they can cause a lot of disruptive trouble. I think January 6th gives us a great example of what is likely to happen. Trump was able to draw a crowd, point them at the Capitol, and get them to invade. And then ... what? ... they chanted and yelled and threatened, they beat on some local law enforcement and destroyed some stuff, and then they went home. They successfully stalled for a few hours a procedural vote for an action that wasn't even scheduled to take place for another two weeks (which took place on time without incident). . I think their failure to find any Congress critters or Pence let the air out of the balloon. Who knows what might have happened if they had captured Pelosi.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2022 9:10:51 GMT -5
It's the larger group of people who vote conservative/republican that you have to worry about... if trump is the only choice when it comes to voting for president - they will vote for him (republican, good for business, even if he's a slime he still represents "religious morality", traditional "family", patriotic). I found out people I knew voted for trump the first time around because they couldn't vote for a "democrat". Democrats are "bad for business, not religious, not traditional "family" and not particularly patriotic. I think some of them didn't really like trump (I'm not really sure....) - but it was better than voting Democratic or not voting at all. Why do you think Republicans make it a "religious/moral" choice? Listen to all the rhetoric about Democrats being "liberal". Why is that screamed so loudly and always pointed out no matter what? for the majority of Republicans if they have to vote for either a pile of shit that came out of Republican's ass OR a Democrat they will vote for the piece of shit. The alternative is to cast a vote for everything they've been told to hate/distrust/is immoral/unChristian. Spot on for a majority of Republicans, but not all. And even if it was all, that is not enough votes to win a presidential election anyway. EDIT: linkyou are right, bills. they would have to draw in similarly disposed INDEPENDENTS. and i think that is quite unlikely. for Trump to win again, a number of things have to go right for him: 1) we need state laws that say that the popular vote can be overturned somehow. 2) we need people in place that will actually carry that out. 3) trump needs to win the nomination. that is quite a few IFS. we will know a lot more in December than we know now.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 27, 2022 10:34:16 GMT -5
Spot on for a majority of Republicans, but not all. And even if it was all, that is not enough votes to win a presidential election anyway. EDIT: linkyou are right, bills. they would have to draw in similarly disposed INDEPENDENTS. and i think that is quite unlikely. for Trump to win again, a number of things have to go right for him: 1) we need state laws that say that the popular vote can be overturned somehow. 2) we need people in place that will actually carry that out. 3) trump needs to win the nomination. that is quite a few IFS. we will know a lot more in December than we know now. Playing with that question of "somehow": I read two competing Constitutional clauses: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, ..
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, ... What I read is while a legislature could choose to directly appoint the Electoral College members, they would have to do so on the day Congress determines. That means they couldn't have a popular vote that day and appoint members more to their liking on a later date.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2022 18:25:41 GMT -5
i am currently in a place where i have gone from overestimating them to maybe underestimating them. it has been a strange evolution. Trump's voters have the same demographic as racist groups. they are by and large uneducated or under-educated white males, and the females that are either drawn to such men or partners with them. the next questions that come to mind are: how easily are these people drawn together, organized and dispatched, and how likely are they to remain coherent in a "struggle". the first answer is relatively easily. but it takes someone way up the food chain to do it. enter Trump. the second answer is not very. because despite the fact that they are drawn to Trump, the have very little in common. some are economically disadvantaged. some are genuine racists. some are conspiracy nuts. some are just feeling alienation and a sense of despair that is relieved by "strong man" leadership. and pretty much all of them fear losing status in the future- in other words, they don't see a way forward that gave them the same advantages their parents had. so, i think this whole gravy train falls apart, ultimately. because unity requires trust, and these are very untrusting people. so, army they shall never be. they lack coherence and unity. but they can cause a lot of disruptive trouble. More than half of trump voters are over 50. And I know you can be spry and whatnot in your 50’s, I can’t see a significant number of 70 + year olds being great soldiers. I do agree that the violence will come from younger, uneducated white men. I am counting on Gen Z to save us.
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