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Post by happyhoix on Jul 22, 2022 21:46:27 GMT -5
Presidents normally fill about 4000 political spots in their admin when they take office. All the other Executive positions are held by life long government employees. But not anymore, if Trump regains office. In his first term, his minions came up with Schedule F, a plan to fire 50,000 government workers and and replace them with hand picked MAGA minions perfectly loyal to Trump. He approved it, but the first thing Biden did was knock it down. www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-2025-radical-plan-second-term Trump may be distracted with continuing to fight the 2020 election, but he has a bunch of people already screening loyalists to fill all the positions. “The preparations are far more advanced and ambitious than previously reported. What is happening now is an inversion of the slapdash and virtually non-existent infrastructure surrounding Trump ahead of his 2017 presidential transition. These groups are operating on multiple fronts: shaping policies, identifying top lieutenants, curating an alternative labor force of unprecedented scale, and preparing for legal challenges and defenses that might go before Trump-friendly judges, all the way to a 6-3 Supreme Court.”
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 22, 2022 22:27:08 GMT -5
if Trump wins again it is over. my opinion. God help America, and God help every other nation on Earth.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 22, 2022 23:00:03 GMT -5
if Trump wins again it is over. my opinion. God help America, and God help every other nation on Earth. If the American people allow Trump to take office, I agree it is over. What he does once in office will just be salt in the fatal wound.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 23, 2022 9:32:18 GMT -5
The scariest thing to me is how many quasi-normal GOP people have rejected Trump - like Barr and Vos. Those people, and any people who had an issue with the Big Lie, won’t be back. Even the ‘first daughter’ and her DH have decided they don’t want to be participants in this shit show anymore.
Look at the quality of the ‘true believers’ that are left - MTG, Gaetz, the Pillow guy, the Overstock guy, and right up in there, Guliiani.
Imagine if 50,000 competent government workers were suddenly fired, replaced with Proud Boys, anti-vaccers, and Q nuts. Best case scenario, government stops working. Worst case scenario, the minions come in geared to dismantle as much government as possible. Gut the IRS, eliminate public schools, and create a religious, anti-women, anti-gay, anti-religious freedom government that slides easily into a fascist state led first by Trump, then by Trump’s appointed successor, most likely his drug addled son Don Jr.
Only two ways to go from there - civil war or an attack by an outside enemy.
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Post by busymom on Jul 23, 2022 9:45:33 GMT -5
The problem is, Trump didn't put qualified people into the different departments, he only wanted people who would pledge their loyalty, experience be d*amned. IF he were to get a second term, I agree with happyhoix. We'll either be in a civil war, or easy prey for any outside enemy. We know China, for example, wants more real estate. You really think Trump's people in charge could hold off an attack?
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Post by NastyWoman on Jul 23, 2022 12:33:12 GMT -5
If the Loser is elected in 2024 then 2016 will turn out to be the equivalent of 1923 in Germany and fascism will have won. Think about that - just 90 years later -> never again? My ass...
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Post by kadee79 on Jul 23, 2022 12:35:48 GMT -5
The problem is, Trump didn't put qualified people into the different departments, he only wanted people who would pledge their loyalty, experience be d*amned. IF he were to get a second term, I agree with happyhoix . We'll either be in a civil war, or easy prey for any outside enemy. We know China, for example, wants more real estate. You really think Trump's people in charge could hold off an attack? Not only do I not think 'his' people could hold off an attack...would they even know one was happening since they already don't believe our intelligence services & will also have rendered them into non-existence too. It could end up being an "every man for himself" kind of situation. Hope ya'al are prepared. We are still buying ammo here!
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Post by busymom on Jul 23, 2022 12:39:57 GMT -5
If the Loser is elected in 2024 then 2016 will turn out to be the equivalent of 1923 in Germany and fascism will have won. Think about that - just 90 years later -> never again? My ass... If my Dad was still live, he would be SO p*ssed off. He put 4 years of his life into the Navy during WWII. The idea that we never really won that war is appalling!
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 23, 2022 12:51:16 GMT -5
The problem is, Trump didn't put qualified people into the different departments, he only wanted people who would pledge their loyalty, experience be d*amned. IF he were to get a second term, I agree with happyhoix . We'll either be in a civil war, or easy prey for any outside enemy. We know China, for example, wants more real estate. You really think Trump's people in charge could hold off an attack? Not only do I not think 'his' people could hold off an attack...would they even know one was happening since they already don't believe our intelligence services & will also have rendered them into non-existence too. It could end up being an "every man for himself" kind of situation. Hope ya'al are prepared. We are still buying ammo here! Or - would his people collude with the foreign enemy? Imagine Trump gets impeached yet again but this time most of the GOP is against him and he looks like he will go down, how likely would it be that Trump would assist the foreign enemies to attack the country if they promise he can be dictator for life. Not so far fetched - there have always been rumors Queen Elizabeth’s uncle didn’t abdicate because of Wallis Simpson but was forced out because he was colluding with the Germans to turn England into a fascist state with him at the head.
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Post by Opti on Jul 23, 2022 12:55:26 GMT -5
The scariest thing to me is how many quasi-normal GOP people have rejected Trump - like Barr and Vos. Those people, and any people who had an issue with the Big Lie, won’t be back. Even the ‘first daughter’ and her DH have decided they don’t want to be participants in this shit show anymore. Look at the quality of the ‘true believers’ that are left - MTG, Gaetz, the Pillow guy, the Overstock guy, and right up in there, Guliiani. Imagine if 50,000 competent government workers were suddenly fired, replaced with Proud Boys, anti-vaccers, and Q nuts. Best case scenario, government stops working. Worst case scenario, the minions come in geared to dismantle as much government as possible. Gut the IRS, eliminate public schools, and create a religious, anti-women, anti-gay, anti-religious freedom government that slides easily into a fascist state led first by Trump, then by Trump’s appointed successor, most likely his drug addled son Don Jr. Only two ways to go from there - civil war or an attack by an outside enemy. Its good some GOPers rejected Trump. What's not good is too many have opted to not confront him and leave public life instead of act in the country's or even the pre Trump GOP's interest. Trump is picky. I don't see him OKing lots of Proud Boy hires. The rest might get through though depending on who they are. Trump did a significant job of destroying and outsourcing various Govt departments already. Firings too, although I'm not sure who if anyone kept track of the non high mgmt job stats. The Post office has worse service and his chosen Postmaster destroyed lots of processing and mail scanning equipment. We lost Pandemic info and staff, nuclear material oversight and active tracking, regulations rolled back or dropped, etc. Not sure how much of the National Weather Service we still retain, but he brought in exploiters during his term. Not sure why anyone thinks it would be different if he were allowed to run and actually won. Rich greedy exploiters will support him based on the gimmees given before. I don't see the IRS gutted mainly because without them how does the grifter get his above average bennies and grift from the federal government? Who pays for the military that the conservatives love so much?
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Post by Opti on Jul 23, 2022 12:58:19 GMT -5
If the Loser is elected in 2024 then 2016 will turn out to be the equivalent of 1923 in Germany and fascism will have won. Think about that - just 90 years later -> never again? My ass... If my Dad was still live, he would be SO p*ssed off. He put 4 years of his life into the Navy during WWII. The idea that we never really won that war is appalling! We won the war, but ideas persist. helpfulprofessor.com/examples-of-fascism/
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Post by hurley1980 on Jul 23, 2022 12:58:53 GMT -5
I am extremely worried about how far they are going to go when it comes to taking away rights of everyone but straight white men. As a women, what are they going to take from me? If they go the Iran/Afghanistan route, will I not be able to work or own property? Will I have to go outside with a male? I am a single woman with no male relatives. Will they seize my house and my financial accounts? Will I end up broke and homeless? If I'm homeless and outside without a male to accompany me, will they arrest me? Will they take everything I have spent the last 20 years working so hard for, because I am nothing more to them than property to breed babies?
I used to think of all the above as a joke that would never really happen, but now it seems all to possible, and I am terrified! I sure minorities and the LGBQT community are as worried as I am!
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Post by busymom on Jul 23, 2022 13:32:51 GMT -5
I believe you'll need to be more than a white, straight male. You'll need to be a RICH white, straight male. They'll see the middle class & poor as inferiors, except for the weak-minded that they'll use to carry out their orders. They need their useful idiots, after all...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 23, 2022 13:39:00 GMT -5
If the Loser is elected in 2024 then 2016 will turn out to be the equivalent of 1923 in Germany and fascism will have won. Think about that - just 90 years later -> never again? My ass... part of the problem is that we never really had a problem with fascism, other than it's imperialistic tendencies. many Nazis were hired by the US after WW2 to put down democratic movements, first in Greece, then elsewhere. when we support a "revolution" how often has it been LEFTIST? never, that is how often. instead, our proxy revolutionaries crush and destroy leftists. for those of you who are too young to remember, the best RECENT example is probably Haiti (and to a lesser and less successful degree, Venezuela), where we have REPEATEDLY put down leftist movements in favor of rightist ones. our sympathies are clear. we have no love of democracy. we only TOLERATE IT to the degree it suits our interests. the next question becomes who are "our"? and if you CAREFULLY analyze the answer to that, it ain't democrats, by and large.
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Post by busymom on Jul 23, 2022 14:04:03 GMT -5
I just wish his fans would pay attention to how much help (none) he gave to his rabid followers who did damage on January 6th. (My biggest complaint is a lot of those jail sentences are much too short.) He'll talk big, but just let those who suffer consequences for following his commands take their punishment without helping them at all. Big or small, when he's done with you he'll throw you under the bus.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 23, 2022 14:58:06 GMT -5
I just wish his fans would pay attention to how much help (none) he gave to his rabid followers who did damage on January 6th. (My biggest complaint is a lot of those jail sentences are much too short.) He'll talk big, but just let those who suffer consequences for following his commands take their punishment without helping them at all. Big or small, when he's done with you he'll throw you under the bus. i am not sure the short sentences are inappropriate. there is a difference between the followers and the leaders. most of the crowd on J6 were not even FOOTSOLDIERS. they were people that were swept up in what they thought was a RALLY on J6. those that knew differently should have the book thrown at them. but i think there are literally hundreds of cases that are still underway. correct me if i am wrong.
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Post by tbop77 on Jul 24, 2022 7:05:29 GMT -5
OMG, think about if he does run and loses, how long will we have to listen to him whine?
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 24, 2022 9:28:40 GMT -5
OMG, think about if he does run and loses, how long will we have to listen to him whine? As long as you choose to listen.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 24, 2022 13:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by Bob Ross on Jul 25, 2022 13:44:46 GMT -5
Trump's probably not going to run in 2024. He'll be too indicted, mentally incapable, and plus he's unelectable in a general. He's obviously senile, rambling, and losing support daily.
The moment he announces, he'll fall under campaign finance rules, and have to give up on all of that sweet, sweet grift money. He won't do that anytime soon, unless he gets spooked by the chances of indictment and thinks announcing his candidacy will save him from prosecution (hint: it won't).
If he announces pre-midterm, he will significantly hurt the GQP's chances at winning either the House or the Senate, as the Dems will make the midterms a referendum on him. Rumor has it that GQP Chair Ronna McDaniel is threatening not to pay for his legal fees if he does this.
Regardless of when he announces, he will throw the GQP into an internal war as they try to dig themselves out of a no-win situation.
If he doesn't get the GQP nomination, vengeful as he is, there's a chance he could run as an Independent, thus splitting the GQP vote and pretty much handing everything to the Dems. One can only hope.
My only real concern is if the GQP takes the House and the Senate in November, and successfully installs the people they need to overturn to 2024 election, could he come to power that way? I consider this unlikely, but the only real way he could sit in the oval office again.
However, given Trump's personality, he'll likely make the worst choice possible. Everything Trump touches dies.
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Post by swamp on Jul 25, 2022 14:04:09 GMT -5
Trump's probably not going to run in 2024. He'll be too indicted, mentally incapable, and plus he's unelectable in a general. He's obviously senile, rambling, and losing support daily. The moment he announces, he'll fall under campaign finance rules, and have to give up on all of that sweet, sweet grift money. He won't do that anytime soon, unless he gets spooked by the chances of indictment and thinks announcing his candidacy will save him from prosecution (hint: it won't). If he announces pre-midterm, he will significantly hurt the GQP's chances at winning either the House or the Senate, as the Dems will make the midterms a referendum on him. Rumor has it that GQP Chair Ronna McDaniel is threatening not to pay for his legal fees if he does this. Regardless of when he announces, he will throw the GQP into an internal war as they try to dig themselves out of a no-win situation. If he doesn't get the GQP nomination, vengeful as he is, there's a chance he could run as an Independent, thus splitting the GQP vote and pretty much handing everything to the Dems. One can only hope. My only real concern is if the GQP takes the House and the Senate in November, and successfully installs the people they need to overturn to 2024 election, could he come to power that way? I consider this unlikely, but the only real way he could sit in the oval office again. However, given Trump's personality, he'll likely make the worst choice possible. Everything Trump touches dies.He needs to touch himself more often.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2022 15:00:23 GMT -5
Trump's probably not going to run in 2024. He'll be too indicted, mentally incapable, and plus he's unelectable in a general. He's obviously senile, rambling, and losing support daily. The moment he announces, he'll fall under campaign finance rules, and have to give up on all of that sweet, sweet grift money. He won't do that anytime soon, unless he gets spooked by the chances of indictment and thinks announcing his candidacy will save him from prosecution (hint: it won't). If he announces pre-midterm, he will significantly hurt the GQP's chances at winning either the House or the Senate, as the Dems will make the midterms a referendum on him. Rumor has it that GQP Chair Ronna McDaniel is threatening not to pay for his legal fees if he does this. Regardless of when he announces, he will throw the GQP into an internal war as they try to dig themselves out of a no-win situation. If he doesn't get the GQP nomination, vengeful as he is, there's a chance he could run as an Independent, thus splitting the GQP vote and pretty much handing everything to the Dems. One can only hope. My only real concern is if the GQP takes the House and the Senate in November, and successfully installs the people they need to overturn to 2024 election, could he come to power that way? I consider this unlikely, but the only real way he could sit in the oval office again.However, given Trump's personality, he'll likely make the worst choice possible. Everything Trump touches dies. first of all, the chances that the GOP wins the house are large. i would count on that. but their chances of winning the Senate are less than 50%, and declining daily. Democrats have an outside chance at getting 53 seats, which would eliminate the Manchen/Sinema issue. as to overturning the 2020 election, there is zero chance of that happening. particularly if Democrats retain the filibuster, which they seem determined to do, probably just BECAUSE of the possibility that the GOP will take over this Fall. but even with an unlikely Senate majority, there is no MECHANISM to overturn the election. so the GOP would have to create one. consider the prospect of doing that with a Democratic president and you will quickly conclude that this is not going to happen.
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Post by Bob Ross on Jul 25, 2022 15:49:43 GMT -5
Trump's probably not going to run in 2024. He'll be too indicted, mentally incapable, and plus he's unelectable in a general. He's obviously senile, rambling, and losing support daily. The moment he announces, he'll fall under campaign finance rules, and have to give up on all of that sweet, sweet grift money. He won't do that anytime soon, unless he gets spooked by the chances of indictment and thinks announcing his candidacy will save him from prosecution (hint: it won't). If he announces pre-midterm, he will significantly hurt the GQP's chances at winning either the House or the Senate, as the Dems will make the midterms a referendum on him. Rumor has it that GQP Chair Ronna McDaniel is threatening not to pay for his legal fees if he does this. Regardless of when he announces, he will throw the GQP into an internal war as they try to dig themselves out of a no-win situation. If he doesn't get the GQP nomination, vengeful as he is, there's a chance he could run as an Independent, thus splitting the GQP vote and pretty much handing everything to the Dems. One can only hope. My only real concern is if the GQP takes the House and the Senate in November, and successfully installs the people they need to overturn to 2024 election, could he come to power that way? I consider this unlikely, but the only real way he could sit in the oval office again.However, given Trump's personality, he'll likely make the worst choice possible. Everything Trump touches dies. first of all, the chances that the GOP wins the house are large. i would count on that. but their chances of winning the Senate are less than 50%, and declining daily. Democrats have an outside chance at getting 53 seats, which would eliminate the Manchen/Sinema issue. as to overturning the 2020 election, there is zero chance of that happening. particularly if Democrats retain the filibuster, which they seem determined to do, probably just BECAUSE of the possibility that the GOP will take over this Fall. but even with an unlikely Senate majority, there is no MECHANISM to overturn the election. so the GOP would have to create one. consider the prospect of doing that with a Democratic president and you will quickly conclude that this is not going to happen. Regarding the House, I know what the models and pundits are saying, but they seem to be working under the standard regarding past results of the first midterm after the party in power. Not sure how much that applies now that there's an existential threat to our democracy. My guess it will apply some, but probably not as little as it should. Too many people are uninformed and stupid, and will vote in authoritarian fascism over gas prices, inflation, and culture wars. And it's not like the authoritarian fascists have any plan to fix these problems. Likely, they will make them worse. Regarding the Senate, eliminating the Manchen/Sinema issue is moot if they don't hold the House. Also, note I said overturning the 2024 election, if Trump were to run and lose, and the GQP has enough Secretaries of State (where applicable), Governors (where applicable), and State Legislatures in place to do what they tried to do in 2020, which is just declare the election fraudulent and throw it back to the states to decide in favor of Trump. What would make matters worse is if the SCOTUS overturns Moore vs. Harper, which they have agreed to revisit, which would give the State Legislatures the power to do the above all on their own. Do you trust this SCOTUS to do the right thing? time.com/6192872/supreme-court-independent-state-legislature/And if this were to occur, the GQP wouldn't be concerned with a Democratic POTUS doing the same, since that would be the end of free and fair elections as we know them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2022 16:26:19 GMT -5
first of all, the chances that the GOP wins the house are large. i would count on that. but their chances of winning the Senate are less than 50%, and declining daily. Democrats have an outside chance at getting 53 seats, which would eliminate the Manchen/Sinema issue. as to overturning the 2020 election, there is zero chance of that happening. particularly if Democrats retain the filibuster, which they seem determined to do, probably just BECAUSE of the possibility that the GOP will take over this Fall. but even with an unlikely Senate majority, there is no MECHANISM to overturn the election. so the GOP would have to create one. consider the prospect of doing that with a Democratic president and you will quickly conclude that this is not going to happen. Regarding the House, I know what the models and pundits are saying, but they seem to be working under the standard regarding past results of the first midterm after the party in power. Not sure how much that applies now that there's an existential threat to our democracy. My guess it will apply some, but probably not as little as it should. Too many people are uninformed and stupid, and will vote in authoritarian fascism over gas prices, inflation, and culture wars. And it's not like the authoritarian fascists have any plan to fix these problems. Likely, they will make them worse. Regarding the Senate, eliminating the Manchen/Sinema issue is moot if they don't hold the House. Also, note I said overturning the 2024 election, if Trump were to run and lose, and the GQP has enough Secretaries of State (where applicable), Governors (where applicable), and State Legislatures in place to do what they tried to do in 2020, which is just declare the election fraudulent and throw it back to the states to decide in favor of Trump. What would make matters worse is if the SCOTUS overturns Moore vs. Harper, which they have agreed to revisit, which would give the State Legislatures the power to do the above all on their own. Do you trust this SCOTUS to do the right thing? time.com/6192872/supreme-court-independent-state-legislature/And if this were to occur, the GQP wouldn't be concerned with a Democratic POTUS doing the same, since that would be the end of free and fair elections as we know them. oh hell. i am sorry. i missed the date. no. i don't trust the SCOTUS at all.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 25, 2022 16:49:15 GMT -5
So an open question to any and all:
If the vote goes to the Democrat and it is overturned by state elected officials, accepted by Congress, and confirmed by the Supreme Court - do you think that the American people will just throw up there hands or will there be some, or serious bloodshed?
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So an open question to any and all: If the vote goes to the Democrat and it is overturned by state elected officials, accepted by Congress, and confirmed by the Supreme Court - do you think that the American people will just throw up there hands or will there be some, or serious bloodshed? I think it would result in a civil war. I also think we would see a lot of people leaving the country and seeking refuge elsewhere.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 25, 2022 17:44:56 GMT -5
So an open question to any and all: If the vote goes to the Democrat and it is overturned by state elected officials, accepted by Congress, and confirmed by the Supreme Court - do you think that the American people will just throw up there hands or will there be some, or serious bloodshed? I think it would result in a civil war. I also think we would see a lot of people leaving the country and seeking refuge elsewhere. Thank you for that answer. If you don't mind a followup, Do you see state governments taking the lead or private militias forming?
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Post by dondub on Jul 25, 2022 17:54:34 GMT -5
So an open question to any and all: If the vote goes to the Democrat and it is overturned by state elected officials, accepted by Congress, and confirmed by the Supreme Court - do you think that the American people will just throw up there hands or will there be some, or serious bloodshed? I’m not sure the losing side has enough weaponry for serious bloodshed. The other side, which will control the police and National Guard, and even the Army, will. So the inevitable protests in the street could be met with a declaration of martial law, a curfew, and scattered bloodbaths here and there. The republic will then be done and those demos remaining will hunker down and hope there won’t be house to house ‘visitations’ based on voting records.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 25, 2022 18:00:22 GMT -5
So an open question to any and all: If the vote goes to the Democrat and it is overturned by state elected officials, accepted by Congress, and confirmed by the Supreme Court - do you think that the American people will just throw up there hands or will there be some, or serious bloodshed? I’m not sure the losing side has enough weaponry for serious bloodshed. The other side, which will control the police and National Guard, and even the Army, will. So the inevitable protests in the street could be met with a declaration of martial law, a curfew, and scattered bloodbaths here and there. The republic will then be done and those demos remaining will hunker down and hope there won’t be house to house ‘visitations’ based on voting records. So you don't see Inslee being able to get the Washington National Guard to rally around him in revolt?
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