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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 2, 2022 21:08:40 GMT -5
Very sad.
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Post by dondub on Jul 2, 2022 21:42:08 GMT -5
Abominable.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 3, 2022 6:03:15 GMT -5
The first of many sad stories
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 3, 2022 10:59:02 GMT -5
Six weeks + 3 days pregnant is ridiculously specific. And, of course, the medical designation of the beginning point of pregnancy is at the last period, which is *roughly* 2 weeks before conception could have occurred (unless you have non-regular, non-textbook 28 day cycles). Cycles are highly irregular when puberty first starts, and often until you have had a child, and again at the end of your reproductive life going into perimenopause; many never settle into a regular cycle. So going by the clinical dating of pregnancies, she was probably raped max 4 weeks ago, give or take multiple days on either end for irregularities, not 6. I've had times when my cycles were highly irregular, making it very fuzzy to accurately date a pregnancy, and determine my due date - the only date I cared about. Doctors can use bodily clues to refine the date, and sonograms to check fetal size, etc, yet it's still very subjective. This was the case with my middle child - based on when I started symptoms, or they changed, compared to my previous pregnancies, I figured my due date around end of July/beginning of August. My doctor at the time (who later proved to be an idiot and a liar) fixed the due date at mid August, based on her assessment of me. Ok, I thought, we'll see who's right. Yeah, when I got a week past the doctor's date, she brought up induction. But, oh, breech, can't induce, and Dr can't do surgery (there's the stupid), and wayyy too late for a version (like with DD1) besides nobody does those locally (there's the lie) - Dr x will take care of you while I'm on vacation! Another week went by before I went into labor and had an unnecessary (IMO) C-section. DD3 was *probably* 2 weeks overdue, but no way to really know. But, looking back, if I was in the situation where I needed to date my pregnancy based *only* on my previous period, I'd have been labeled 4 months pregnant when I saw the doctor at about 6 weeks stage, and my baby would have by this reckoning been born after a year! If the doctor and I (experienced mother on 4th pregnancy) can be off by a whole month in determining timing of pregnancy, there's no way you can use +3 DAYS to close a window for medical care.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 3, 2022 11:35:24 GMT -5
If being pregnant at ten-years-old isn't traumatizing enough as it is.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 3, 2022 11:51:19 GMT -5
Forcing a child to carry a pregnancy to term is unconscionable. Any justification of it is just plain evil. What if she has a complication and needs a hysterectomy. Is that just "God's will". But anti-abortion activists DO NOT CARE.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 3, 2022 12:37:33 GMT -5
Forcing a child to carry a pregnancy to term is unconscionable. Any justification of it is just plain evil. What if she has a complication and needs a hysterectomy. Is that just "God's will". But anti-abortion activists DO NOT CARE. Not to mention if both survive - there are now TWO additional humans walking the earth with trauma and secrets. For the pregnant child - a longer harder road to move thru the trauma and for the baby a life of secrets and perhaps "whispers" about their birth. Even if adopted out - they will most likely learn the truth. It sets both of these individuals apart from everyone else possibly for their entire lives. FWIW: I can't imagine how uncomfortable this young girl's future health care will be from the personal side. I'm sure her body will bear the marks of the pregnancy if it goes to term (or close to it). I'm guesing it's gonna be awkward seeing a new doctor at say 15 or 16 and perhaps having to answer questions or offer an explanation... I know there's confidentiality and such - but I'm assuming it's difficult to talk about past trauma with a "stranger" especially if that past trauma is carefully hidden in everyday life. No matter which way it goes she's going to carry a weight for life - one path may make that weight less heavy... The child produced will also carry a weight for life - quite possible from the moment they are born (if they go home with their mother and become her younger sibling). TLDR; This effects them both for the rest of their lives. And I'm guessing it's NOT going to be lives filled with happy memories.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 3, 2022 13:39:22 GMT -5
If being pregnant at ten-years-old isn't traumatizing enough as it is. Hell, having a period is traumatizing for a 10 year old!
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jul 3, 2022 13:42:19 GMT -5
I did not realize young girls were experiencing menses at 10. I mean how young are they now? I had read with all the hormones in food it's affecting children, but did not realize this young.
I am soooo upset over this, just sick. And what is worse they have just started removing our rights. Hell before it's done wouldn't surprise me if we lose the right to vote. My hubs said I need to calm down, I just can't. This is one of the most horrible things to be done to women in this country.
We should expect it, trump walked away from Afghanistan and put those women back in the dark ages, he will do no less to women here. He and his kind are bas*****. I cannot tell you how much I dislike that man and the repubs who stand for this crap.
This old lady may be ready to take up arms before this is all over.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 3, 2022 13:43:41 GMT -5
I did not realize young girls were experiencing menses at 10. I mean how young are they now? I had read with all the hormones in food it's affecting children, but did not realize this young. I am soooo upset over this, just sick. And what is worse they have just started removing our rights. Hell before it's done wouldn't surprise me if we lose the right to vote. My hubs said I need to calm down, I just can't. This is one of the most horrible things to be done to women in this country. We should expect it, trump walked away from Afghanistan and put those women back in the dark ages, he will do no less to women here. He and his kind are bas*****. I cannot tell you how much I dislike that man and the repubs who stand for this crap. This old lady may be ready to take up arms before this is all over. Not unheard of, I got mine at 11. This was back in the 1970s.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 3, 2022 13:49:28 GMT -5
I did not realize young girls were experiencing menses at 10. I mean how young are they now? I had read with all the hormones in food it's affecting children, but did not realize this young. I am soooo upset over this, just sick. And what is worse they have just started removing our rights. Hell before it's done wouldn't surprise me if we lose the right to vote. My hubs said I need to calm down, I just can't. This is one of the most horrible things to be done to women in this country. We should expect it, trump walked away from Afghanistan and put those women back in the dark ages, he will do no less to women here. He and his kind are bas*****. I cannot tell you how much I dislike that man and the repubs who stand for this crap. This old lady may be ready to take up arms before this is all over. Age of menarche has been decreasing. 8 year olds are now getting their periods. Thought to be due to obesity and exogenous estrogen in the environment
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jul 3, 2022 14:55:50 GMT -5
I did not realize young girls were experiencing menses at 10. I mean how young are they now? I had read with all the hormones in food it's affecting children, but did not realize this young. I am soooo upset over this, just sick. And what is worse they have just started removing our rights. Hell before it's done wouldn't surprise me if we lose the right to vote. My hubs said I need to calm down, I just can't. This is one of the most horrible things to be done to women in this country. We should expect it, trump walked away from Afghanistan and put those women back in the dark ages, he will do no less to women here. He and his kind are bas*****. I cannot tell you how much I dislike that man and the repubs who stand for this crap. This old lady may be ready to take up arms before this is all over. Not unheard of, I got mine at 11. This was back in the 1970s. My mom was 11 and that was in the 50s.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 3, 2022 17:07:37 GMT -5
If being pregnant at ten-years-old isn't traumatizing enough as it is. Hell, having a period is traumatizing for a 10 year old! I’m wondering if the child even understands she’s pregnant. If anyone explained how women get pregnant and what happens when you’re pregnant. Terrifying - and you can’t tell me her little body won’t be adversely impacted by being pregnant. I thought we were going to allow abortions when the health of the mother is at risk? Oh I forgot - we’ll just pray. That’ll do it.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 3, 2022 17:14:25 GMT -5
Saw a story this morning on the Sunday show about a woman who took thalidomide that her husband brought back from England - then found out about the birth defects it caused.
She tried to get an abortion, but this is pre-Roe so she kept getting denied. She didn’t want to give birth to a baby with no arms and legs because she didn’t want to put a child through the trauma of living that kind of life. Eventually she had to go out of the country to get an abortion.
She went public with her story as a way to warn women about the dangers of taking thalidomide, but ended up being the poster child for abortion. She was one of the ROmper Room ladies (If you remember them, you’re old as dirt like me) but got fired when she had the abortion. She got a different job in television, and when she got pregnant (she had four kids prior to having the abortion, and two more after) she got fired again.
Fired for having an abortion, and fired for not having an abortion.
Sounds about right.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jul 3, 2022 17:31:39 GMT -5
This whole situation makes me sick to my stomach and wishing for a couple of nice sharp knives to first be used in the rapist and subsequently on any makes who oppose(d) an abortion under these circumstances (give me enough time and I'll add all these trumpian talibanistas to my list).
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 3, 2022 17:39:30 GMT -5
Kristi Noem said this situation is “tragic”. But we shouldn’t compound one tragedy with another. I guess allowing the child to continue her pregnancy isn’t “tragic” enough. She also said we haven’t been talking about the Rapist enough. WTF, how is that even relevant to the pregnancy. The party of compassion my ass.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 3, 2022 18:12:24 GMT -5
Kristi Noem said this situation is “tragic”. But we shouldn’t compound one tragedy with another. I guess allowing the child to continue her pregnancy isn’t “tragic” enough. She also said we haven’t been talking about the Taoist enough. WTF, how is that even relevant to the pregnancy. The party of compassion my ass. What does this mean? I'm lost.
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Post by saveinla on Jul 3, 2022 18:38:07 GMT -5
Kristi Noem said this situation is “tragic”. But we shouldn’t compound one tragedy with another. I guess allowing the child to continue her pregnancy isn’t “tragic” enough. She also said we haven’t been talking about the Taoist enough. WTF, how is that even relevant to the pregnancy. The party of compassion my ass. What does this mean? I'm lost. I think Taoist needs to be replaced with rapist - that's what I read.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 3, 2022 18:47:07 GMT -5
Correct, should be rapist. Stupid autocorrect
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Post by dondub on Jul 3, 2022 22:48:11 GMT -5
Forcing a child to carry a pregnancy to term is unconscionable. Any justification of it is just plain evil. What if she has a complication and needs a hysterectomy. Is that just "God's will". But anti-abortion activists DO NOT CARE. Was it God’s will she was raped in the first place? A test for her ten year old faith and the faith of all those good Christians that surround her?
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Post by toomuchreality on Jul 4, 2022 3:05:13 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can see this as anything but tragically wrong.
My daughters are 11 years apart. I can't imagine my oldest being the mother of my youngest.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jul 5, 2022 14:43:12 GMT -5
I hope someone starts a go fund me to get this poor girl to California (or other sanctuary state), and let her stay there after the procedure. I will pay for her travel, her hotel, her procedure, food, etc. All of it, as long as that poor little girl doesn't have to live with this for the rest of her life! This is one of the reasons California is becoming a sanctuary state, I'm just not quite sure how they will get these victims here, and stop them from being arrested when they go home.
I was about 60 lbs when I was 10 years old, and I didnt start my period until I was 15, but I cannot imagine a 10 year old being able to carry and deliver a baby without complications for both her and the child. This is disgusting!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 5, 2022 15:44:46 GMT -5
Correct, should be rapist. Stupid autocorrect Taoist added a surreal moment to the thread, you have to admit.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 17, 2022 19:53:29 GMT -5
Perhaps we should ask how the ‘we did it for 200 years so therefore it’s cool’ argument plays out for Ted in regards to slavery and women's right to vote.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 18, 2022 7:16:12 GMT -5
Perhaps we should ask how the ‘we did it for 200 years so therefore it’s cool’ argument plays out for Ted in regards to slavery and women's right to vote. Since this is Ted we're talking about I think we can make a fairly educated guess. Dude is white land owning gentry he's safe.
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Post by haapai on Jul 18, 2022 7:56:21 GMT -5
Since this is Ted we're talking about I think we can make a fairly educated guess. Dude is white land owning gentry he's safe. Funny, I don't usually think of Ted Cruz being any of those things.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 18, 2022 8:34:52 GMT -5
Since this is Ted we're talking about I think we can make a fairly educated guess. Dude is white land owning gentry he's safe. Funny, I don't usually think of Ted Cruz being any of those things. Going by his "200 year" theory the only people at the time who had a say in the running of the government were rich white land owning men and only land owners of a certain acerage. So Ted Cruz is safe, he can wipe his ass with the constitution and it isn't going to affect him any. It fascinates me that the people who vote for the likes of Cruz can't see that. We do a horrible job educating people on our own government. His voters are far too busy celebrating that at least they are better than women, minorities and gay people to notice the table cloth is slowly being cleared of all crumbs. I imagine a lot of his voters aren't going to be too happy when they finally clue in that Cruz & Co are also "the elite" and don't give two shits about them either. They are already making it clear they don't care about the nation as a whole, it's not too much longer before they have solidified their power enough they can go ahead and throw their voting base away too.
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 18, 2022 8:59:51 GMT -5
I did not realize young girls were experiencing menses at 10. I mean how young are they now? I had read with all the hormones in food it's affecting children, but did not realize this young. I am soooo upset over this, just sick. And what is worse they have just started removing our rights. Hell before it's done wouldn't surprise me if we lose the right to vote. My hubs said I need to calm down, I just can't. This is one of the most horrible things to be done to women in this country. We should expect it, trump walked away from Afghanistan and put those women back in the dark ages, he will do no less to women here. He and his kind are bas*****. I cannot tell you how much I dislike that man and the repubs who stand for this crap. This old lady may be ready to take up arms before this is all over. Not unheard of, I got mine at 11. This was back in the 1970s. I think my sister got her at 10. This would have been in 1989. My friend has a 10 yo that just got hers last week.
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