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Post by billisonboard on Aug 8, 2022 14:18:09 GMT -5
that phrase actually has nothing to do with PROSECUTORS. it has to do with perpetrators. How about Presidents and ex-Presidents? I interpret it to mean that governing by personality or individual preference is not what our government should do. There was the case of the county clerk who refused to allow anyone in her office to issue same sex marriage licenses. Her removal from office was applauded. I certainly did. Although I think differently on the particulars of the Florida situation, I can't in good conscience condemn DeSantis for doing what he did.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 8, 2022 16:29:51 GMT -5
that phrase actually has nothing to do with PROSECUTORS. it has to do with perpetrators. How about Presidents and ex-Presidents? I interpret it to mean that governing by personality or individual preference is not what our government should do. There was the case of the county clerk who refused to allow anyone in her office to issue same sex marriage licenses. Her removal from office was applauded. I certainly did. Although I think differently on the particulars of the Florida situation, I can't in good conscience condemn DeSantis for doing what he did. me neither. i mean, sure. he is a hypcrite. and a liar. and an asshole. but he was within his rights as governor to release him. so, yeah. i agree with the guy he fired, but his firing was legal.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 8, 2022 21:03:57 GMT -5
Oh the hypocrisy. All those good guys with a gun able to protect DeSantis? Firearms banned at events with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has argued 'gun-free' zones are less safeWhen a man, identified by law enforcement as a white supremacist, opened fire on Black patrons at a grocery store in upstate New York, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, balked at calls for stricter controls on firearms, arguing that such restrictions actually contributed to mass casualty events. Mass shooters are "really, really bad people," DeSantis said at a June news conference, the Florida Phoenix reported. But, he continued, they are "not dumb." "The Buffalo guy said he wanted to go where he knew there wouldn't be blowback from people being armed, and so he tried to find a gun-free zone," DeSantis said. But at rallies set to take place this month in Arizona, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, featuring Gov. DeSantis as the star speaker, firearms will be strictly prohibited — and not by liberals. Dubbed "Unite & Win" rallies, the events are being put on by Turning Point Action — the political advocacy arm of Turning Point USA, led by right-wing influencer Charlie Kirk — and will feature DeSantis alongside local Republicans hoping to win elections in November, including Pennsylvania's Doug Mastriano, Arizona's Kari Lake and Blake Masters, and Ohio's J.D. Vance. Attendees should be prepared for "airport-like screening," according to listings for the events posted by Turning Point Action on EventBrite, where would-be guests are encouraged to request tickets. Security will be turning away the visibly intoxicated, according to the listing, as well as also for the following prohibited items: "ammunition, knives, projectiles, pepper spray, expandable batons, [and] firearms." The listing notes that there is to be "NO CCW," or concealed weapons, "in Event Zone." In the recent past, Turning Point USA and its founder have publicly insisted such a policy harms public safety. On its Facebook page, the group mocked the supposed naivete of those who believe "gun-free" zones deter gun violence. "'Gun-Free Zones' Only Help Criminals!" the group said. On Twitter, Kirk falsely claimed that limits on the carrying of guns in public places make those places more dangerous. "97.8% of public mass shootings since 1950 have occurred in gun-free zones," he wrote. Neither Turning Point USA nor Turning Point Action immediately responded to a request for comment. Research indicates "gun-free" policies do not actually correspond to greater security risks. A review of mass shootings between 1966 and 2016 found that only 12% occurred "in a truly gun-free zone" — that is, one without armed security — and that only 5% took place in areas where civilians were prohibited from carrying a firearm, per researchers at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Guns have also been prohibited at events attended by former President Donald Trump. In May, the Secret Service insisted that people attending an NRA conference in Houston leave their guns at home if they wished to hear Trump's remarks. Firearms banned at events with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who has argued 'gun-free' zones are less safe
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 9, 2022 9:43:32 GMT -5
DeSantis ousted official who won't enforce abortion laws — but is silent on sheriffs who won't enforce gun laws: report
Last week, to great fanfare, Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) announced he was suspending Andrew Warren, a Tampa-area elected state prosecutor who had indicated he doesn't intend to prosecute violations of the state's 15-week abortion ban, or potential prohibitions on gender-affirming care for teenagers. DeSantis described Warren as "neglecting his duties," even though no such cases have actually been brought to him at this time. But according to the Orlando Sentinel, Warren is far from the only elected law enforcement official in the state making judgments about which laws to enforce. Numerous sheriffs throughout Florida have openly defied the state's gun laws — with no objection from DeSantis whatsoever. "Some elected sheriffs have suggested they wouldn’t enforce gun control measures, tapping into an ideology that sheriffs are the final arbiter of what is constitutional," reported Skyler Swisher. "But that movement hasn’t sparked action from Gov. Ron DeSantis, who ordered a statewide review of state attorneys and their policy positions." Many of these sheriffs are part of a group called the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, which proclaims on its website that “The vertical separation of powers in the Constitution makes it clear that the power of the sheriff even supersedes the powers of the president.” The article notes the case of Seminole County Sheriff Dennis Lemma, who said of a proposed gun registration constitutional amendment, "It’s up to the sheriffs what they are willing to enforce," as well as the Florida Sheriffs Association itself, which in 2013 vowed not to “assist, support or condone” gun laws they deem are inconsistent with the Second Amendment. DeSantis' predecessor, now-Sen. Rick Scott, actually did suspend a "constitutional sheriff," Liberty County Sheriff Nick Finch, for freeing a man who violated the state's concealed carry laws. In 2018, in the wake of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, one of Scott's final acts as governor was to sign a bill raising the age to purchase guns, imposing a three-day waiting period, and giving judges power to confiscate guns from dangerous people under "red flag" orders. While running for governor, DeSantis said he would have vetoed this law. DeSantis ousted official who won't enforce abortion laws — but is silent on sheriffs who won't enforce gun laws: report
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 15, 2022 12:51:45 GMT -5
like i was saying about that hypocrite part.....
edit: i want to just add something. when DeSantis hassled the teenagers about wearing masks, that set a new low for not only decorum, but common sense, imo. those kids are NOT his charge. he doesn't get to tell them what to do and not to do when it comes to their safety. their parents and supervisors are.
it REALLY made me angry when he did that, at so many levels. but it was also the clearest illustration that he is Trumpy in the sense that he is a bully and has no common sense, decency, or ability to constrain himself to his lane.
fuck that guy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 15, 2022 12:57:21 GMT -5
"The Buffalo guy said he wanted to go where he knew there wouldn't be blowback from people being armed, and so he tried to find a gun-free zone," DeSantis said.
no, you stupid sonofabich, he went to the place that had the HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF BLACK PEOPLE. he didn't give a FUCK about gun laws, except to the extend he could violate them. no shooter does. they don't plan on living through it. martyrdom is part of the joy and thrill of it for them.
DeSantis is as unthinking as he is uncaring.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 15, 2022 12:59:59 GMT -5
On Twitter, Kirk falsely claimed that limits on the carrying of guns in public places make those places more dangerous. "97.8% of public mass shootings since 1950 have occurred in gun-free zones," he wrote.
how can you have a gun event if the event is in a "gun free zone"? there is really no such thing as a gun free zone, is there? i mean, at Kirk's events, i am SURE that security is armed.
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 27, 2022 9:52:48 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2022 10:00:51 GMT -5
and yet, he is beating him in the polls.
there is a definite rift going on, right?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 27, 2022 11:25:38 GMT -5
and yet, he is beating him in the polls. there is a definite rift going on, right? I have seen other polls in which he was beating him so I agree there is a rift.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2022 11:33:15 GMT -5
i am basing it on post 97. i mean if MAGA is not voting for DeSantis, and DeSantis is beating Trump/MAGA in the poll, then that means that MAGA is leaving Trump for DeSantis. that seems really bad for Trump specifically, and possibly quite bad for the GOP, as well.
or am i missing something?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 27, 2022 11:54:13 GMT -5
i am basing it on post 97. i mean if MAGA is not voting for DeSantis, and DeSantis is beating Trump/MAGA in the poll, then that means that MAGA is leaving Trump for DeSantis. that seems really bad for Trump specifically, and possibly quite bad for the GOP, as well. or am i missing something? Sorry. Actually I was just give grief about Avoiding Unclear Pronouns. It's a pet peeve of mine. My wife drives me totally insane with them. We will be driving down a city street in silence and she will say, "Look at that", expecting me to instantly discern which of the hundreds (thousands?) of possible "that s" I should notice. In your post, it wasn't really difficult to guess the antecedent of "he" and "him" but it also wasn't necessary to make your reader guess. But truly my issue.
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Post by Opti on Sept 12, 2022 6:27:42 GMT -5
Actually it sounds like he's using government to shutdown liberals and let angry conservatives run roughshod over others. Politicians are free to say whatever in their daily or weekly eblasts, They are free to say what they want on their websites. However, what he wants is to allow hateful and baiting discourse to be allowed on private company platforms because he wants conservatives to have more venues for their hate and baiting speech. Yet at the same time he is shutting down speech he doesn't agree with using new laws, which makes him yet another GOP hypocrite of the highest order. Part of what he is says too is that he doesn't believe in free enterprise. Using accepted fantasy marketing theory a company should arise for the unserved conservatives and prosper if it is run right. Trump doesn't like to fund or build non hotels or golf courses properly so Truth Social is not the platform he promised it to be. Kind of funny when you think about all the jabs about the ACA website when they can't do even as well for a smaller target audience. DeSantis feels entitled to use state government to push his agenda instead of the people's which makes him yet another entitled GOPer, not a savior or defender of anything.
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Post by Opti on Sept 15, 2022 6:41:02 GMT -5
Its not even what St. Paul would do. He's fighting for the devil or his own dark power. There is nothing godly about him.
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 15, 2022 6:45:56 GMT -5
Its not even what St. Paul would do. He's fighting for the devil or his own dark power. There is nothing godly about him. It's hard to see why so called Christians can't see through that. Didn't they ask WWJD? Do they think Jesus would treat people like that? These people went through hell and back seeking asylum and a better life for their families. And there were children on that plane. I don't get it.
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Post by Opti on Sept 15, 2022 6:58:30 GMT -5
Its not even what St. Paul would do. He's fighting for the devil or his own dark power. There is nothing godly about him. It's hard to see why so called Christians can't see through that. Didn't they ask WWJD? Do they think Jesus would treat people like that? These people went through hell and back seeking asylum and a better life for their families. And there were children on that plane. I don't get it. Easy, he's appealing to the fake Christians. The ones that want to save babies and punish homosexuals. They don't care about caring for the sick, the poor, and ministering to others. They like the cloak of Christianity to oppress others. Which is why both Trump and DeSantis are using it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 15, 2022 8:13:10 GMT -5
Its not even what St. Paul would do. He's fighting for the devil or his own dark power. There is nothing godly about him. It's hard to see why so called Christians can't see through that. Didn't they ask WWJD? Do they think Jesus would treat people like that? These people went through hell and back seeking asylum and a better life for their families. And there were children on that plane. I don't get it. Because they aren't Christians. They are fellow autocrats who mask their ambitions in the socially acceptable cloak of religion. If you can tell people they are a warrior for Jesus it makes it much easier to attract your flock and get them to swallow the message. It makes them the special chosen amongst us heathens and everyone likes to be special. My contemporary religion professor had some very strong words about these types of "Christians".
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 15, 2022 14:38:54 GMT -5
sounds like he is trying to expand the populist base to Marxists as well as racists.
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