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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jul 5, 2022 17:24:47 GMT -5
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Post by tallguy on Jul 5, 2022 17:36:32 GMT -5
John Pavlovitz is absolutely right, and he has been in every single thing I can ever remember reading from him.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 5, 2022 17:43:46 GMT -5
he is. but i think he overlooks an essential truth about Evangelicals.
they are playing the long game.
it kind of reminds me of Radical Islam. it was kind of a joke back when Sayd Qutb was a young man. but now, it commands a considerable portion of the Middle East, and defeated and turned back liberalism in the two greatest superpowers. they have been remarkably successful considering that they did all of that with little more than words and box knives.
finger wagging the right won't stop them. only scaring the shit out of the left will. the sooner we get to that, the better.
like now, maybe?
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Post by hurley1980 on Jul 5, 2022 18:07:07 GMT -5
he is. but i think he overlooks an essential truth about Evangelicals. they are playing the long game. it kind of reminds me of Radical Islam. it was kind of a joke back when Sayd Qutb was a young man. but now, it commands a considerable portion of the Middle East, and defeated and turned back liberalism in the two greatest superpowers. they have been remarkably successful considering that they did all of that with little more than words and box knives. finger wagging the right won't stop them. only scaring the shit out of the left will. the sooner we get to that, the better.
like now, maybe? The problem I see with this, is that scaring the shit out of the left won't stop the right when/if they lose. They are extremely violent and irrational people. The more they lose, the angrier they get. They will keep spilling blood in the forms of mass shootings, riots, etc., as long as they aren't getting their way. Like spoiled children! I don't know what the answer is, because I fear we are already too lost as a nation. Maybe it is best to just split into 2/3 separate countries. I don't think we will ever agree again.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 5, 2022 18:35:33 GMT -5
he is. but i think he overlooks an essential truth about Evangelicals. they are playing the long game. it kind of reminds me of Radical Islam. it was kind of a joke back when Sayd Qutb was a young man. but now, it commands a considerable portion of the Middle East, and defeated and turned back liberalism in the two greatest superpowers. they have been remarkably successful considering that they did all of that with little more than words and box knives. finger wagging the right won't stop them. only scaring the shit out of the left will. the sooner we get to that, the better.
like now, maybe? The problem I see with this, is that scaring the shit out of the left won't stop the right when/if they lose. They are extremely violent and irrational people. The more they lose, the angrier they get. They will keep spilling blood in the forms of mass shootings, riots, etc., as long as they aren't getting their way. Like spoiled children! I don't know what the answer is, because I fear we are already too lost as a nation. Maybe it is best to just split into 2/3 separate countries. I don't think we will ever agree again. they are, but it seems to me that they are also fairly small in number. convince me that i should be scared. note: i am not belittling you, here. my current plan is to spend 3 months a year here, and i am trying to decide whether that is too much.
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Post by busymom on Jul 5, 2022 19:19:27 GMT -5
he is. but i think he overlooks an essential truth about Evangelicals. they are playing the long game. it kind of reminds me of Radical Islam. it was kind of a joke back when Sayd Qutb was a young man. but now, it commands a considerable portion of the Middle East, and defeated and turned back liberalism in the two greatest superpowers. they have been remarkably successful considering that they did all of that with little more than words and box knives. finger wagging the right won't stop them. only scaring the shit out of the left will. the sooner we get to that, the better.
like now, maybe? The problem I see with this, is that scaring the shit out of the left won't stop the right when/if they lose. They are extremely violent and irrational people. The more they lose, the angrier they get. They will keep spilling blood in the forms of mass shootings, riots, etc., as long as they aren't getting their way. Like spoiled children! I don't know what the answer is, because I fear we are already too lost as a nation. Maybe it is best to just split into 2/3 separate countries. I don't think we will ever agree again. I've thought for awhile that we should just let them have their own state. Give them Texas, for example, and we'll build our wall there. Then, they can just start fighting & fussing with each other, as they'll no longer be "our" problem. Oh, and we'll give anyone who wants to live like them 60 days to leave the USA before we close off the border. Lotsa luck to them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 5, 2022 20:31:00 GMT -5
The problem I see with this, is that scaring the shit out of the left won't stop the right when/if they lose. They are extremely violent and irrational people. The more they lose, the angrier they get. They will keep spilling blood in the forms of mass shootings, riots, etc., as long as they aren't getting their way. Like spoiled children! I don't know what the answer is, because I fear we are already too lost as a nation. Maybe it is best to just split into 2/3 separate countries. I don't think we will ever agree again. I've thought for awhile that we should just let them have their own state. Give them Texas, for example, and we'll build our wall there. Then, they can just start fighting & fussing with each other, as they'll no longer be "our" problem. Oh, and we'll give anyone who wants to live like them 60 days to leave the USA before we close off the border. Lotsa luck to them. the Republic Of Texas has been thinking about seceding since it "joined" the US. let it ROT.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 5, 2022 21:24:55 GMT -5
I've thought for awhile that we should just let them have their own state. Give them Texas, for example, and we'll build our wall there. Then, they can just start fighting & fussing with each other, as they'll no longer be "our" problem. Oh, and we'll give anyone who wants to live like them 60 days to leave the USA before we close off the border. Lotsa luck to them. the Republic Of Texas has been thinking about seceding since it "joined" the US. let it ROT. Why wait for them to secede? Boot 'em out.
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Post by justme on Jul 5, 2022 23:25:42 GMT -5
Desatan is scary because unlike Trump he's a lot smarter and can actually get shit done.
At least I'm confident in the college kids fucking up his survey. Can't wait to see what kids who grew up in a world of internet trolls do.
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Post by irishpad on Jul 5, 2022 23:29:39 GMT -5
He nails it, using White Conservative Christian theology (or really politics) as a mask for personal gain and justifying their own lack of following the gospel.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jul 6, 2022 3:18:36 GMT -5
Desatan is scary because unlike Trump he's a lot smarter and can actually get shit done. At least I'm confident in the college kids fucking up his survey. Can't wait to see what kids who grew up in a world of internet trolls do. And young. Imagine a successful coup and 30 years under him.
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Christian nationalists' rhetoric is growing 'more violent, more graphic and more tightly focused on fellow Americans': expertChristian nationalists are excited about the possibility of violence as the post-Roe future comes into view, much to the alarm of experts who study the religious right. The Supreme Court's decision overturning abortion rights emboldened right-wing extremists, who are already preparing for a brutal assault on individual rights and democratic self-governance, according to a New York Times column by author Katherine Stewart. "Breaking American democracy isn’t an unintended side effect of Christian nationalism," wrote Stewart, who has reported on the religious right for more than a decade. "It is the point of the project." Stewart noted with alarm that speakers at annual Road to Majority Policy Conference, including keynote speaker Donald Trump, explicitly endorsed dominionism \-- a belief that "right-thinking" Christians had a mandate to take over government and society -- and used violent rhetoric against anyone who stood in their way. "Although metaphors of battle are common enough in political gatherings, this year’s rhetoric appeared more violent, more graphic and more tightly focused on fellow Americans, rather than on geopolitical foes," Stewart wrote. "Speakers at the conference vied to outdo one another in their denigration of the people that Mr. Trump was evidently talking about. Democrats, they said, are 'evil,' 'tyrannical' and 'the enemy within,' engaged in 'a war against the truth.'" The movement's leaders see the end of abortion rights as the start of a new and more personal attack on individual rights, and they aim to pit Americans against each other to ensure compliance. "Indeed it is personal," Stewart wrote. "Much of the rhetoric on the right invokes visions of vigilante justice. This is about 'good guys with guns' — or neighbors with good eavesdropping skills — heroically taking on the pernicious behavior of their fellow citizens. Among the principal battlefields will be the fallopian tubes and uteruses of women." The movement intends to criminalize women seeking abortions and anyone who helps, and Stewart said even their base supporters have no idea how radical their intentions are. "This is a leader-driven movement.," she wrote "The leaders set the agenda, and their main goals are power and access to public money. They aren’t serving the interests of their base; they are exploiting their base as a means of exploiting the rest of us." "Christian nationalism isn’t a route to the future," Stewart added. "Its purpose is to hollow out democracy until nothing is left but a thin cover for rule by a supposedly right-thinking elite, bubble-wrapped in sanctimony and insulated from any real democratic check on its power." Christian nationalists' rhetoric is growing 'more violent, more graphic and more tightly focused on fellow Americans': expert
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 6, 2022 17:16:49 GMT -5
yes. they want America to be a theocracy. it was an unholy alliance that Reagan began. it bears bitter fruit.
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Post by dondub on Jul 6, 2022 18:09:21 GMT -5
yes. they want America to be a theocracy. it was an unholy alliance that Reagan began. it bears bitter fruit. Here come the Dominionists.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 6, 2022 19:12:21 GMT -5
I think I am going to break my "no recruiting opposition loyalists" rule and ask my parents to vote against anyone who is supporting the big lie or any conspiracy theory. They should do it for their grandchildren (and great grandchildren).
My father's stance is that they don't really believe it - they just "have to" say it so they don't get Trump’s wrath. I need some proof that these loonies don't believe it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 6, 2022 19:17:52 GMT -5
i still can't believe that they have aligned themselves with someone who is, effectively, evil.
it really diminishes their brand. they will take ANY means to their ends. it is quite literally the devil's bargain.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 6, 2022 22:25:26 GMT -5
i still can't believe that they have aligned themselves with someone who is, effectively, evil. it really diminishes their brand. they will take ANY means to their ends. it is quite literally the devil's bargain. The problem is that the loudest people (voting public) are so horny for him - that is where he gets his power. Everyone else has to conform or leave. I have said it before, I will say it again he will be a problem/threat until the day he dies (and still problematic, but less so) for 10 years after he dies.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 6, 2022 23:08:31 GMT -5
i still can't believe that they have aligned themselves with someone who is, effectively, evil. it really diminishes their brand. they will take ANY means to their ends. it is quite literally the devil's bargain. The problem is that the loudest people (voting public) are so horny for him - that is where he gets his power. Everyone else has to conform or leave. I have said it before, I will say it again he will be a problem/threat until the day he dies (and still problematic, but less so) for 10 years after he dies. i agree with you. i kind of hope nobody takes his place, but it looks very much like DeRanged is grooming himself to do so.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 7, 2022 11:10:16 GMT -5
Vote for Rhonda Santis!
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The neo-Nazis waving large red flags emblazoned with swastikas and SS symbols gathered outside the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit at the Tampa Convention Center Saturday and shouted racist slurs. They also waved the flag of Florida and another with the slogan “DeSantis Country” — along with a poster featuring DeSantis’ face. Florida Democratic gubernatorial candidate and state Agricultural Commissioner Nikki Fried on Sunday defied DeSantis to say something negative about the neo-Nazis. “I am asking you, Ron DeSantis, to denounce the Nazis that were here, here to celebrate your speech inside this convention center,” said Fried. “They were holding your pictures yesterday.” DeSantis instead hailed the “freedom-loving young folks” in the “free state of Florida.”www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/right-wing-florida-confab-rips-swastika-waving-neo-nazis-gov-desantis-keeps-mum/ar-AAZVBqg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4a662f73c4fc43129efe7e60535c31daGood people on both sides?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2022 12:34:53 GMT -5
yep. he is a neo-fascist, as well. no question about it.
one of the hallmarks of fascism is magical thinking and intolerance of facts. that fits DeSatan to a tee.
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Post by busymom on Jul 25, 2022 12:46:46 GMT -5
Yup. DeSantis is Trump Lite. He is a cause for concern.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jul 25, 2022 13:28:58 GMT -5
Yup. DeSantis is Trump Lite. He is a cause for concern. I suspect that if he gets elected, we are going to discover that Trump is DeSantis Lite.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 25, 2022 13:45:22 GMT -5
his handling of the coronavirus was absolutely perverse. worse than Trump, and that is saying something. worse than Bolsinaro.
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Post by Bob Ross on Jul 25, 2022 13:53:00 GMT -5
TBH I don't think DeSantis is electable in a general.
He's had too many controvercies and boneheaded or downright malicious decisions that will make him easy to destroy once he's front and center.
He is Trumpian and smarter than Trump, but he also doesn't have the key authoritarian leader aspect, which is a Trump-like charisma.
His mannerisms are weird, he can't speak well, nor make eye contact. He doesn't have that strongman persona that the MAGA crave.
He seems to be having a difficult enough time with his 2022 race in FL. This doesn't translate well for his overall electability.
The early front runners usually fall. I think the real nominee (if Trump doesn't screw them...a GIANT if) will be someone not even on the radar yet.
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Post by busymom on Jul 25, 2022 14:03:02 GMT -5
his handling of the coronavirus was absolutely perverse. worse than Trump, and that is saying something. worse than Bolsinaro. Tell me about it. I was living in Florida early in the pandemic. I wouldn't doubt the death rate was at least twice the "official" numbers. His nickname isn't "deathSantis" for nothing.
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Post by swamp on Jul 25, 2022 14:11:57 GMT -5
TBH I don't think DeSantis is electable in a general. He's had too many controvercies and boneheaded or downright malicious decisions that will make him easy to destroy once he's front and center. He is Trumpian and smarter than Trump, but he also doesn't have the key authoritarian leader aspect, which is a Trump-like charisma. His mannerisms are weird, he can't speak well, nor make eye contact. He doesn't have that strongman persona that the MAGA crave. He seems to be having a difficult enough time with his 2022 race in FL. This doesn't translate well for his overall electability. The early front runners usually fall. I think the real nominee (if Trump doesn't screw them...a GIANT if) will be someone not even on the radar yet. I hope you're right.
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Post by justme on Jul 25, 2022 22:28:31 GMT -5
TBH I don't think DeSantis is electable in a general. He's had too many controvercies and boneheaded or downright malicious decisions that will make him easy to destroy once he's front and center. He is Trumpian and smarter than Trump, but he also doesn't have the key authoritarian leader aspect, which is a Trump-like charisma. His mannerisms are weird, he can't speak well, nor make eye contact. He doesn't have that strongman persona that the MAGA crave. He seems to be having a difficult enough time with his 2022 race in FL. This doesn't translate well for his overall electability. The early front runners usually fall. I think the real nominee (if Trump doesn't screw them...a GIANT if) will be someone not even on the radar yet. Well you'll find out in a few months. I really hope that fucker doesn't win Florida again, but I'm not so sure. Can't decide whether him winning means he won't be able to focus on fucking shit up more in Florida or if he'll take it as license to pass some more shit to point to on his run. I way more hope him and Trump are too egotistical and take each other down.
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Post by Opti on Jul 26, 2022 6:06:21 GMT -5
TBH I don't think DeSantis is electable in a general. He's had too many controvercies and boneheaded or downright malicious decisions that will make him easy to destroy once he's front and center. He is Trumpian and smarter than Trump, but he also doesn't have the key authoritarian leader aspect, which is a Trump-like charisma. His mannerisms are weird, he can't speak well, nor make eye contact. He doesn't have that strongman persona that the MAGA crave. He seems to be having a difficult enough time with his 2022 race in FL. This doesn't translate well for his overall electability. The early front runners usually fall. I think the real nominee (if Trump doesn't screw them...a GIANT if) will be someone not even on the radar yet. I think two out of the three are true for Trump. I find him very hard to listen to because of his current speech patterns and weird hand gestures. In old clips he sounded more normal and was less weird with the hand motions.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 26, 2022 10:37:38 GMT -5
What could be Florida Gov. DeSantis’ undoing on the national stage? HBCUs.DeSantis is the darling of the anti-woke movement, but he would have to explain it outside of Florida in places like Georgia, Ohio and Texas — potential 2024 swing states with HBCUs. Within higher education, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ education reforms designed to combat what he considers “woke indoctrination” have rightfully generated a great deal of concern about the future of academic freedom in the state. This concern is shared nationally because of how entrenched the anti-critical race theory moral panic has become within social conservatism across the country. But while the debate over “woke indoctrination” has been covered extensively, attention on the topic ignores a critical question: What happens if DeSantis — a 2024 Republican presidential favorite — accuses a historically Black college or university of woke indoctrination because he doesn’t like how it teaches Black history or ways of looking at society and the law? If that happened, the damage would be significant. Indeed, the elephant in the lecture hall looming over DeSantis’ higher education initiatives can be summed up in four letters: HBCU. Nationally, there are 101 HBCUs; 52 are public institutions, and 49 are private, nonprofit institutions. There are four HBCUs in Florida, including Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University (widely known as FAMU), in the state capital, Tallahassee. HBCUs have historically been and remain repositories of knowledge that was denied by the predominantly white colleges and universities that dominate academia. Their graduates include such crucial figures as Martin Luther King Jr., Pauli Murray, Thurgood Marshall and Vice President Kamala Harris. As a curriculum theorist and a Black Southerner, I’ve been struck by how HBCUs have been missing from the national discussions about how race should be taught on college campuses. I suspect that part of the reason for this glaring omission is that when people not from the South think about “higher education,” they automatically think of predominantly white colleges and universities like the University of Florida. However, in the South, higher education is more diverse than many people outside the region give it credit for. That’s the lens through which we should be looking at legislation like the law that went into effect in Florida last July, asking public universities to conduct surveys to measure “intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity“ on campus to gauge “the extent to which competing ideas and perspectives are presented“ and how free students, faculty and staff members feel “to express their beliefs and viewpoints.” Although the law was signed a year ago, it recently made headlines because of confusion over whether the surveys were mandatory or not and what they would be used for. But whether the surveys are voluntary or not, their mere existence is problematic in the current political climate. Make no mistake about it: The “viewpoint diversity” battles roiling higher education are over whose knowledge is considered valid and who has the power to set curriculum. People outside of education often overlook the political relationship between knowledge and curriculum. Rest of article here: What could be Florida Gov. DeSantis’ undoing on the national stage? HBCUs.
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