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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 2, 2022 8:46:30 GMT -5
Ummm have you been under a rock since 2016? They voted in a serial xheater after hollering about Clinto, his wife is a soft core port star and that is art buy Michelle was an ape in a sleeveless dress. And their Supreme Court just stripped Mr of body autonomy and are looking at taking away my birth control,privacy and stopping people from marrying who they love. They are banningbooks, whitewashed history to the point one dipshit has said you needto include the Nazi viewpointabout the holocaustwhen studyingit. BURYING to set it up to arrest parentswho supporttheir Trans kids and making it an offenseto even say gay in scho. So yes to both comments.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jul 2, 2022 8:48:00 GMT -5
Well, yeah. Honestly Dictator DeSantis has been in the news a LOT since the beginning of the pandemic. How anyone at this point could have missed his authoritarian bent, has most certainly not been reading/watching national news. I predicted to DD1 nearly two years ago, that I believe he is going to be the next president. If so, we can kiss democracy good-bye.
I am reading that many donors are now getting behind him rather than DT.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 2, 2022 9:21:54 GMT -5
It will be interesting the choice Americans make in 2024. First the Republican nomination and then the general election.
I do question this statement: "we can kiss democracy good-bye." If the majority vote in an authoritarian leader, is that not democracy in action? You and I may disagree with policy positions they take but that is the consequence of losing elections.
I do see a significant difference in regards to Trump and DeSantis on the "democracy" issue. I think Trump is a danger to democracy if he were to get the nomination and then lose (again) in the general. I may be wrong (as I have been many times in the past) but I don't see DeSantis attempting a coup.
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Post by busymom on Jul 2, 2022 9:35:57 GMT -5
Having lived in Florida, I know my community had some absolutely rabid Trump supporters. They'd even hang out on street corners on weekends waving Trump signs, and this was long before Trump's impeachment problems, etc. I have no doubt that these same folks would support DeSantis, and he is nothing more than Trump with a higher IQ, plus, IMHO he's an even meaner man than Trump was. If (God forbid) he gets in, our country is in bigger trouble than it was when Trump was in office. Remember, DeSantis is the one that wanted a "private police service", think Nazi SS.
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Having lived in Florida, I know my community had some absolutely rabid Trump supporters. They'd even hang out on street corners on weekends waving Trump signs, and this was long before Trump's impeachment problems, etc. I have no doubt that these same folks would support DeSantis, and he is nothing more than Trump with a higher IQ, plus, IMHO he's an even meaner man than Trump was. If (God forbid) he gets in, our country is in bigger trouble than it was when Trump was in office. Remember, DeSantis is the one that wanted a "private police service", think Nazi SS. Reestablishing Florida’s State Guard Won’t Give DeSantis a Private ArmyAs a political matter, DeSantis’s move is worrisome, signaling an escalation of red states’ bellicose attitude toward the federal government under President Joe Biden. In practice, though, what DeSantis is proposing is unlikely to pose the threat that his opponents fear: that of a powerful, private state army that can operate as a kind of National Guard free from federal control.
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I was thinking the same thing this morning (a thread dedicated to DeSantis). In Florida, DeSantis’s plans for colleges rattle some academicsIn his efforts to remake higher education in Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed laws that alter the tenure system, remove Florida universities from commonly accepted accreditation practices, and mandate annual “viewpoint diversity surveys” from students and faculty. DeSantis (R) also pushed through legislation he dubbed the “Stop WOKE Act” that regulates what schools, including universities, and workplaces can teach about race and identity. The legislation — which went into effect Friday — already faces a legal challenge. Rest of article here: In Florida, DeSantis’s plans for colleges rattle some academics
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It will be interesting the choice Americans make in 2024. First the Republican nomination and then the general election. I do question this statement: "we can kiss democracy good-bye." If the majority vote in an authoritarian leader, is that not democracy in action? You and I may disagree with policy positions they take but that is the consequence of losing elections. I do see a significant difference in regards to Trump and DeSantis on the "democracy" issue. I think Trump is a danger to democracy if he were to get the nomination and then lose (again) in the general. I may be wrong (as I have been many times in the past) but I don't see DeSantis attempting a coup. Technically, the Electoral College itself is undemocratic. It should have been abolished a century ago.
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Trump’s ploy to seize power lacked teeth. The Supreme Court may provide dentures.
John Eastman’s plan to keep President Donald Trump in office was fairly simple, when it came down to it. The president’s lawyer wanted states to change the slates of electors they sent to Washington to be formally counted as the 2020 presidential election was finalized. When states that had voted for Joe Biden failed to send certified slates in favor of Trump by Jan. 6, 2021, the plan switched to have Vice President Mike Pence reject those pro-Biden slates, asking states to reconsider. It didn’t work. The vehicle for this was state legislatures, and Eastman worked with sympathetic elected officials in various places to encourage them to rescind their Biden slates in favor of Trump ones. In Pennsylvania, for example, he suggested a contrived rejiggering of submitted ballots to rationalize flipping the state’s electors from blue to red. But that required both that the legislature choose do to so, which it didn’t, and that the legislature be able to do so. Legal observers have been skeptical that such schemes would fly; after all, state supreme courts and state constitutions still have weight. Were legislatures empowered to simply decide the outcome of elections without those checks, things might have been different. When he wrote an essay for CNN describing his concern about the threat posed to American democracy by Trump and his allies, noted conservative judge J. Michael Luttig pointed to the effort to formalize a legal theory — the “independent state legislature” doctrine — giving legislatures precisely that much power. Trump’s allies sought to have the Supreme Court uphold that doctrine before 2020 without success. But: “Trump and Republicans are preparing to return to the Supreme Court,” Luttig wrote, “where this time they will likely win the independent state legislature doctrine, now that Amy Coney Barrett is on the Court and ready to vote.” Luttig noted that in a case centered on North Carolina, four justices had already expressed openness to the doctrine. On Thursday, the court announced that it would hear that case in its next term. Let’s diverge for a moment to consider the state of Wisconsin. Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 by a remarkably narrow margin and lost it four years later by an even narrower one. The state has become a hub of his conspiracy theories about how the election was illegally or illicitly stolen by Democrats, with Republican legislators engaging in a lengthy “investigation” aimed at proving that Trump was robbed of victory. (That investigation has primarily so far surfaced more conspiracy theories and a surfeit of whining.) What many Republican legislators wanted to do, though, was to hand over the state’s electors to Trump. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) advocated explicitly for empowering the legislature to have the desired control over elections. That this might allow the legislature to subvert the will of the electorate probably doesn’t worry Johnson too much: He had privately admitted there was nothing suspect about Trump’s loss but nonetheless was tangentially linked to an effort on Jan. 6, 2021, to push Trump electors to Pence to potentially be considered. Beyond the good senator, Wisconsin’s legislature is a good example of what might happen if state-level politicians were allowed more control over election outcomes. On Wednesday, the state Supreme Court determined that an appointee to a state board named to that position by former governor Scott Walker (R) could retain his position despite the expiration of his term because no one had been confirmed to the seat. If you’re curious how this relates to the broader conversation, it’s that the lack of confirmation of a replacement is not a function of a lack of nominee; Gov. Tony Evers (D) has, in fact, nominated someone to replace that appointee, Sandy Naas. But the state Senate has refused to confirm her. The Senate, as you might have guessed, is controlled by Republicans. Over the past three election cycles (like the U.S. Senate, the state Senate operates in six-year cycles), Republican candidates won 64 percent of the seats in the chamber, giving them a healthy majority. But, interestingly, those same Republican candidates won 51 percent of the vote, reflecting (also like the U.S. Senate) a broad divergence between election results and political power. The state Assembly isn’t much better. In the past three cycles, the GOP has won between 46 and 54 percent of the votes cast. They have been awarded between 62 and 65 percent of the seats in the Assembly. Rest of article here: Trump’s ploy to seize power lacked teeth. The Supreme Court may provide dentures.
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It will be interesting the choice Americans make in 2024. First the Republican nomination and then the general election. I do question this statement: "we can kiss democracy good-bye." If the majority vote in an authoritarian leader, is that not democracy in action? You and I may disagree with policy positions they take but that is the consequence of losing elections. I do see a significant difference in regards to Trump and DeSantis on the "democracy" issue. I think Trump is a danger to democracy if he were to get the nomination and then lose (again) in the general. I may be wrong (as I have been many times in the past) but I don't see DeSantis attempting a coup. Technically, the Electoral College itself is undemocratic. It should have been abolished a century ago. True. We have a most interesting system. There are elements of state sovereignty that I like and others that I don't. A current example is abortion. It is great that we in Washington State can provide safer legal abortions. If we start messing with the elements, not sure how happy I would be with where we end up.
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Trump’s ploy to seize power lacked teeth. The Supreme Court may provide dentures.
John Eastman’s plan to keep President Donald Trump in office was fairly simple, when it came down to it. The president’s lawyer wanted states to change the slates of electors they sent to Washington to be formally counted as the 2020 presidential election was finalized. When states that had voted for Joe Biden failed to send certified slates in favor of Trump by Jan. 6, 2021, the plan switched to have Vice President Mike Pence reject those pro-Biden slates, asking states to reconsider. It didn’t work. The vehicle for this was state legislatures, and Eastman worked with sympathetic elected officials in various places to encourage them to rescind their Biden slates in favor of Trump ones. In Pennsylvania, for example, he suggested a contrived rejiggering of submitted ballots to rationalize flipping the state’s electors from blue to red. But that required both that the legislature choose do to so, which it didn’t, and that the legislature be able to do so. Legal observers have been skeptical that such schemes would fly; after all, state supreme courts and state constitutions still have weight. Were legislatures empowered to simply decide the outcome of elections without those checks, things might have been different. When he wrote an essay for CNN describing his concern about the threat posed to American democracy by Trump and his allies, noted conservative judge J. Michael Luttig pointed to the effort to formalize a legal theory — the “independent state legislature” doctrine — giving legislatures precisely that much power. Trump’s allies sought to have the Supreme Court uphold that doctrine before 2020 without success. But: “Trump and Republicans are preparing to return to the Supreme Court,” Luttig wrote, “where this time they will likely win the independent state legislature doctrine, now that Amy Coney Barrett is on the Court and ready to vote.” Luttig noted that in a case centered on North Carolina, four justices had already expressed openness to the doctrine. On Thursday, the court announced that it would hear that case in its next term. Let’s diverge for a moment to consider the state of Wisconsin. Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 by a remarkably narrow margin and lost it four years later by an even narrower one. The state has become a hub of his conspiracy theories about how the election was illegally or illicitly stolen by Democrats, with Republican legislators engaging in a lengthy “investigation” aimed at proving that Trump was robbed of victory. (That investigation has primarily so far surfaced more conspiracy theories and a surfeit of whining.) What many Republican legislators wanted to do, though, was to hand over the state’s electors to Trump. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) advocated explicitly for empowering the legislature to have the desired control over elections. That this might allow the legislature to subvert the will of the electorate probably doesn’t worry Johnson too much: He had privately admitted there was nothing suspect about Trump’s loss but nonetheless was tangentially linked to an effort on Jan. 6, 2021, to push Trump electors to Pence to potentially be considered. Beyond the good senator, Wisconsin’s legislature is a good example of what might happen if state-level politicians were allowed more control over election outcomes. On Wednesday, the state Supreme Court determined that an appointee to a state board named to that position by former governor Scott Walker (R) could retain his position despite the expiration of his term because no one had been confirmed to the seat. If you’re curious how this relates to the broader conversation, it’s that the lack of confirmation of a replacement is not a function of a lack of nominee; Gov. Tony Evers (D) has, in fact, nominated someone to replace that appointee, Sandy Naas. But the state Senate has refused to confirm her. The Senate, as you might have guessed, is controlled by Republicans. Over the past three election cycles (like the U.S. Senate, the state Senate operates in six-year cycles), Republican candidates won 64 percent of the seats in the chamber, giving them a healthy majority. But, interestingly, those same Republican candidates won 51 percent of the vote, reflecting (also like the U.S. Senate) a broad divergence between election results and political power. The state Assembly isn’t much better. In the past three cycles, the GOP has won between 46 and 54 percent of the votes cast. They have been awarded between 62 and 65 percent of the seats in the Assembly. Rest of article here: Trump’s ploy to seize power lacked teeth. The Supreme Court may provide dentures. This is why I am concerned about the alternative electors issue. If state legislatures do override election results in 2024, I hope that the slate of Electors representing the voters choice met, vote, and forward documents to Congress. Would set up another riotous rat at the Capitol.
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Trump’s ploy to seize power lacked teeth. The Supreme Court may provide dentures.
John Eastman’s plan to keep President Donald Trump in office was fairly simple, when it came down to it. The president’s lawyer wanted states to change the slates of electors they sent to Washington to be formally counted as the 2020 presidential election was finalized. When states that had voted for Joe Biden failed to send certified slates in favor of Trump by Jan. 6, 2021, the plan switched to have Vice President Mike Pence reject those pro-Biden slates, asking states to reconsider. It didn’t work. The vehicle for this was state legislatures, and Eastman worked with sympathetic elected officials in various places to encourage them to rescind their Biden slates in favor of Trump ones. In Pennsylvania, for example, he suggested a contrived rejiggering of submitted ballots to rationalize flipping the state’s electors from blue to red. But that required both that the legislature choose do to so, which it didn’t, and that the legislature be able to do so. Legal observers have been skeptical that such schemes would fly; after all, state supreme courts and state constitutions still have weight. Were legislatures empowered to simply decide the outcome of elections without those checks, things might have been different. When he wrote an essay for CNN describing his concern about the threat posed to American democracy by Trump and his allies, noted conservative judge J. Michael Luttig pointed to the effort to formalize a legal theory — the “independent state legislature” doctrine — giving legislatures precisely that much power. Trump’s allies sought to have the Supreme Court uphold that doctrine before 2020 without success. But: “Trump and Republicans are preparing to return to the Supreme Court,” Luttig wrote, “where this time they will likely win the independent state legislature doctrine, now that Amy Coney Barrett is on the Court and ready to vote.” Luttig noted that in a case centered on North Carolina, four justices had already expressed openness to the doctrine. On Thursday, the court announced that it would hear that case in its next term. Let’s diverge for a moment to consider the state of Wisconsin. Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 by a remarkably narrow margin and lost it four years later by an even narrower one. The state has become a hub of his conspiracy theories about how the election was illegally or illicitly stolen by Democrats, with Republican legislators engaging in a lengthy “investigation” aimed at proving that Trump was robbed of victory. (That investigation has primarily so far surfaced more conspiracy theories and a surfeit of whining.) What many Republican legislators wanted to do, though, was to hand over the state’s electors to Trump. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) advocated explicitly for empowering the legislature to have the desired control over elections. That this might allow the legislature to subvert the will of the electorate probably doesn’t worry Johnson too much: He had privately admitted there was nothing suspect about Trump’s loss but nonetheless was tangentially linked to an effort on Jan. 6, 2021, to push Trump electors to Pence to potentially be considered. Beyond the good senator, Wisconsin’s legislature is a good example of what might happen if state-level politicians were allowed more control over election outcomes. On Wednesday, the state Supreme Court determined that an appointee to a state board named to that position by former governor Scott Walker (R) could retain his position despite the expiration of his term because no one had been confirmed to the seat. If you’re curious how this relates to the broader conversation, it’s that the lack of confirmation of a replacement is not a function of a lack of nominee; Gov. Tony Evers (D) has, in fact, nominated someone to replace that appointee, Sandy Naas. But the state Senate has refused to confirm her. The Senate, as you might have guessed, is controlled by Republicans. Over the past three election cycles (like the U.S. Senate, the state Senate operates in six-year cycles), Republican candidates won 64 percent of the seats in the chamber, giving them a healthy majority. But, interestingly, those same Republican candidates won 51 percent of the vote, reflecting (also like the U.S. Senate) a broad divergence between election results and political power. The state Assembly isn’t much better. In the past three cycles, the GOP has won between 46 and 54 percent of the votes cast. They have been awarded between 62 and 65 percent of the seats in the Assembly. Rest of article here: Trump’s ploy to seize power lacked teeth. The Supreme Court may provide dentures. This is why I am concerned about the alternative electors issue. If state legislatures do override election results in 2024, I hope that the slate of Electors representing the voters choice met, vote, and forward documents to Congress. Would set up another riotous rat at the Capitol. [/qualone. I was going to reply to your concern in a previous post with this article but decided to just post the article as a stand alone.
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Post by busymom on Jul 2, 2022 13:17:35 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing this morning (a thread dedicated to DeSantis). In Florida, DeSantis’s plans for colleges rattle some academicsIn his efforts to remake higher education in Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed laws that alter the tenure system, remove Florida universities from commonly accepted accreditation practices, and mandate annual “viewpoint diversity surveys” from students and faculty. DeSantis (R) also pushed through legislation he dubbed the “Stop WOKE Act” that regulates what schools, including universities, and workplaces can teach about race and identity. The legislation — which went into effect Friday — already faces a legal challenge. Rest of article here: In Florida, DeSantis’s plans for colleges rattle some academics Remember, Trump LOVES the uneducated. I'm sure DeSantis has a similar view. Not to mention, he wants to control what students are taught. Remember, the Nazis indoctrinated the children at a much younger age. Waiting for it to happen with the elementary & junior high kids. It's coming...
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Technically, the Electoral College itself is undemocratic. It should have been abolished a century ago. True. We have a most interesting system. There are elements of state sovereignty that I like and others that I don't. A current example is abortion. It is great that we in Washington State can provide safer legal abortions. If we start messing with the elements, not sure how happy I would be with where we end up. The two main ideas that undergird pretty much all of my political positions are: 1. The importance of individual liberties and freedoms 2. Equal protection under the law for all Anything that violates either of those is almost necessarily invalid. Neither of those should ever be left up to individual states. Leaders in those states are often not only willing but eager to limit rights and freedoms, or to treat others differently and unequally. Until humanity evolves to eliminate bias and bigotry we must be on guard against such leadership. We must codify into law such protections if we wish to remain a free society. That is also why someone needs to at some point explain to me the value of a conservative Supreme Court. Since most of their work involves rights in one form or another, why would anyone who loves freedom want a Court who limits those freedoms? (Of course I just answered my own question. Those who desire a conservative Court do not really want freedom and equality for all.)
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 2, 2022 13:38:01 GMT -5
Yes, of course! Where have you been? I'm Canadian and even I know Trump's party believes in authoritarian rule.
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True. We have a most interesting system. There are elements of state sovereignty that I like and others that I don't. A current example is abortion. It is great that we in Washington State can provide safer legal abortions. If we start messing with the elements, not sure how happy I would be with where we end up. The two main ideas that undergird pretty much all of my political positions are: 1. The importance of individual liberties and freedoms 2. Equal protection under the law for all Anything that violates either of those is almost necessarily invalid. Neither of those should ever be left up to individual states. Leaders in those states are often not only willing but eager to limit rights and freedoms, or to treat others differently and unequally. Until humanity evolves to eliminate bias and bigotry we must be on guard against such leadership. We must codify into law such protections if we wish to remain a free society. That is also why someone needs to at some point explain to me the value of a conservative Supreme Court. Since most of their work involves rights in one form or another, why would anyone who loves freedom want a Court who limits those freedoms? (Of course I just answered my own question. Those who desire a conservative Court do not really want freedom and equality for all.) I am with you on those two main ideas. However the key word in your post to me is "we". It saddens me when I read about violations of those things in other parts of the world but have to accept I have no ability to truly impact them. The people in those countries have to fight for themselves. I struggle with the same type issue when it comes to federal/state situations. My birth state of Idaho is way too conservative and I left it. I do live on the conservative side of Washington and appreciate that the other half has the political power to control policy at the state level. The people in other states have the opportunity to change what happens in their state or leave. I like to think "we" is Americans but it isn't.
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Post by Opti on Jul 2, 2022 14:41:28 GMT -5
Yes. That's why they voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020. Those who did not vote for Trump in 2020 might be against authoritarian rule.
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Post by irishpad on Jul 2, 2022 17:18:13 GMT -5
Haven't read the tread, just the title. For me Ron DeSantis _= evil incarnate. If he was raise Catholic, I am ashamed. He learned nothing
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Haven't read the tread, just the title. For me Ron DeSantis _= evil incarnate. If he was raise Catholic, I am ashamed. He learned nothing So in other words, perfect for today's GOP.
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Post by busymom on Jul 2, 2022 17:42:43 GMT -5
Saw this, and it sort of sums up my apprehension about the next election, and frankly the next 10 years:
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 2, 2022 17:50:34 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 2, 2022 19:49:50 GMT -5
Saw this, and it sort of sums up my apprehension about the next election, and frankly the next 10 years: The ketchup must be for throwing on walls.
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Post by tbop77 on Jul 3, 2022 6:58:34 GMT -5
I really haven't been living under a rock since 2016. The J6 hearings and abortion ruling made me realize this is what the Republican party has become. From your article: In such an existential struggle, the old norms of tolerance and limited government need to be adjusted, tailored to a world where the left controls the commanding heights of culture. Since the left can’t be beaten in that realm, government must be seized and wielded in service of a right-wing cultural agenda. DeSantis is actually walking the New Right walk. His policy agenda has been described as “competent Trumpism,” but that’s a bit misleading. Trumpism was never a coherent intellectual doctrine, because the person whose name it bore did not have a coherent ideology. What DeSantis is doing is taking far-right ideas and making them into policy reality.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 3, 2022 17:37:42 GMT -5
Trump has talked recently about running for 2024 and announcing his run soon - maybe July 4th.
Reallly, it’s his best chance to avoid jail time and dismember some of the legal cases against him. He’ll probably pardon all his buddies as soon as he gets into office.
He’s also talked about how Ron is a very upstanding man, and bragged about how he made Ron everything he is today. Like De Santis OWES him. He then mentioned that Ron might make a good VP choice.
Trump would love that - DeSantis is polling well against Trump, the only person who appears to have a chance of winning the primary against him. If Trump can get DeSantis to agree to be his VP, Trump eliminates his biggest challenger.
I don’t know that DeSantis would go for it, though. Why be second fiddle to someone with a very stained reputation when he might be able to win the top seat all on his own?
My optimistic best case scenario - DeSantis and Trump have an all out war for the primary, tearing each other up, and then a dark horse GOP candidate steps through the gap. OR - Trump loses the primary and starts a third party, the MAGA party, and neither one of them gets enough of the vote to win against whoever the dems run.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 5, 2022 15:46:49 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 5, 2022 15:48:54 GMT -5
Ummm have you been under a rock since 2016? They voted in a serial xheater after hollering about Clinto, his wife is a soft core port star and that is art buy Michelle was an ape in a sleeveless dress. And their Supreme Court just stripped Mr of body autonomy and are looking at taking away my birth control,privacy and stopping people from marrying who they love. They are banningbooks, whitewashed history to the point one dipshit has said you needto include the Nazi viewpointabout the holocaustwhen studyingit. BURYING to set it up to arrest parentswho supporttheir Trans kids and making it an offenseto even say gay in scho. So yes to both comments. this is also the same asshole that paraded around without a mask during the height of coronavirus and PUNSHED others for failing to do the same. he deserves something unspeakable to happen to him, not the votes of citizens.
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weltschmerz
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 5, 2022 17:02:51 GMT -5
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