Roe vs Wade Overturned!

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

I read this too, and reading this is just a lot alarming.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 8, 2022 9:09:37 GMT -5 Knee Deep in Water Chloe said:

Jul 7, 2022 18:11:12 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Article from Rolling Stone magazine.

SCOTUS Justices ‘Prayed With’ Her — Then Cited Her Bosses to End Roe
A right-wing evangelical activist was caught on tape bragging that she prayed with Supreme Court justices. The court’s majority cited a legal brief that her group filed while overturning Roe v. Wade

At an evangelical victory party in front of the Supreme Court to celebrate the downfall of Roe v. Wade last week, a prominent Capitol Hill religious leader was caught on a hot mic making a bombshell claim: that she prays with sitting justices inside the high court. “We’re the only people who do that,” Peggy Nienaber said.

This disclosure was a serious matter on its own terms, but it also suggested a major conflict of interest. Nienaber’s ministry’s umbrella organization, Liberty Counsel, frequently brings lawsuits before the Supreme Court. In fact, the conservative majority in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, which ended nearly 50 years of federal abortion rights, cited an amicus brief authored by Liberty Counsel in its ruling.

In other words: Sitting Supreme Court justices have prayed together with evangelical leaders whose bosses were bringing cases and arguments before the high court.

Nienaber is Liberty Counsel’s executive director of DC Ministry, as well as the vice president of Faith & Liberty, whose ministry offices sit directly behind the Supreme Court. She spoke to a livestreamer who goes by Connie IRL, seemingly unaware she was being recorded. “You actually pray with the Supreme Court justices?” the livestreamer asked. “I do,” Nienaber said. “They will pray with us, those that like us to pray with them.” She did not specify which justices prayed with her, but added with a chortle, “Some of them don’t!” The livestreamer then asked if Nienaber ministered to the justices in their homes or at her office. Neither, she said. “We actually go in there.”

Nienaber intended her comments, broadcast on YouTube, to be “totally off the record,” she says in the clip. That’s likely because such an arrangement presents a problem for the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, which not only weighed in on the Dobbs case as a friend of the court, but also litigated and won a 9-0 Supreme Court victory this May in a case centered on the public display of a religious flag.

The Supreme Court did not respond to a request for comment. Liberty Counsel’s founder, Mat Staver, strenuously denied that the in-person ministering to justices that Nienaber bragged about exists. “It’s entirely untrue,” Staver tells Rolling Stone. “There is just no way that has happened.” He adds: “She has prayer meetings for them, not with them.” Asked if he had an explanation for Nienaber’s direct comments to the contrary, Staver says, “I don’t.”

But the founder of the ministry, who surrendered its operations to Liberty Counsel in 2018, tells Rolling Stone that he hosted prayer sessions with conservative justices in their chambers from the late-1990s through when he left the group in the mid-2010s. Rob Schenck, who launched the ministry under the name Faith and Action in the Nation’s Capital, described how the organization forged ministry relationships with Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, and the late Antonin Scalia, saying he would pray with them inside the high court. Nienaber was Schenk’s close associate in that era, and continued with the ministry after it came under the umbrella of Liberty Counsel.

Louis Virelli is a professor at Stetson University College of Law who wrote a book about Supreme Court recusals. He’s blunt in his assessment: “Praying with a group that filed an amicus brief with a court,” he says, “is a problem.”

Rest of article here: SCOTUS Justices ‘Prayed With’ Her — Then Cited Her Bosses to End Roe

I really, reaaaallllllly hope this comment was taken out of context and/or twisted. 

Knowing what we know about Ginni Thomas and her most likely influence on her husband Clarence, the comment was probably not taken out of context not twisted.

[thyme4change]

Let's make RINO an offensive term by using it as it stands for Religious In Name Only after every non-Christian thing someone does in the name of being evangelical.

Hate someone = RINO
Capitalism/prosperity gospel = RINO
Restricting people = RINO
Worshipping someone other than Jesus = RINO
Against safety net programs = RINO
Won't provide Healthcare to the poor = RINO

Shame on them.

[djAdvocate]

[justme]

www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/pregnant-woman-cited-for-hov-violation-says-her-unborn-baby-should-count-as-second-person/3010193/

Pregnant woman was pulled over in Texas in a HOV lane. When the cop asked where her second person is she pointed to her belly as the state of Texas now considered it a baby. She's fighting the ticket.

[chiver78]

Jul 9, 2022 18:10:26 GMT -5 justme said:

www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/pregnant-woman-cited-for-hov-violation-says-her-unborn-baby-should-count-as-second-person/3010193/

Pregnant woman was pulled over in Texas in a HOV lane. When the cop asked where her second person is she pointed to her belly as the state of Texas now considered it a baby. She's fighting the ticket.

bless her! you can't fucking have it both ways, boys!

[andi9899]

I saw that. I'm very interested in how it turns out.

[andi9899]

My 19 yo nephew is thinking about getting a vasectomy after this whole overturning thing. I don't know whether I'm more glad that he's so thoughtful or mad that he has to think that it's something he needs to do.

[raeoflyte]

Jul 10, 2022 7:56:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

My 19 yo nephew is thinking about getting a vasectomy after this whole overturning thing. I don't know whether I'm more glad that he's so thoughtful or mad that he has to think that it's something he needs to do.

I've had conversations like that with ds. It's honestly brilliant. The procedure is reversible, but it isn't difficult or expensive to collect and store sperm and easy to use when you decide you want biological kids.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

I wonder what the impact of a bunch of 20 year olds showing up at urologists or GYNs to be sterilized will have?  

I wonder how long it takes for them to come up with some way to legislate this?

[andi9899]

Jul 10, 2022 9:38:56 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

I wonder what the impact of a bunch of 20 year olds showing up at urologists or GYNs to be sterilized will have?  

I wonder how long it takes for them to come up with some way to legislate this?

I kinda see vasectomies being outlawed too.

[billisonboard]

Jul 10, 2022 10:00:58 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Jul 10, 2022 9:38:56 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

I wonder what the impact of a bunch of 20 year olds showing up at urologists or GYNs to be sterilized will have?  

I wonder how long it takes for them to come up with some way to legislate this?

I kinda see vasectomies being outlawed too.

Attacking male body autonomy?

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

The Catholic hospitals here won't do vasectomy birth control is birth control regardless of body part.

I don't see men getting as outraged as women though over it. At least not enough to move the meter on reproduction rights.

[andi9899]

Jul 10, 2022 10:24:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 10, 2022 10:00:58 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I kinda see vasectomies being outlawed too.

Attacking male body autonomy?

Yes and no. Though the male (particularly the white male) is supposed to be supreme and remain untouched, at some point younger males will start endangering the goal. I can see both sides of coin.

[giramomma]

I think in theory preserving sperm is pretty easy...right sperm banks and all that.

But, without fertility clinics, I think sperm banks become sort of a moot point.

We don't know yet how Roe is going to affect fertility clinics. If they become as inaccessible as places where one gets an abortion, I'm not sure I would recommend permanent sterilization.

There is also a cost to reversing vasectomies. Also, it appears that the success rates may not be all that:

www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/vasectomy-reversal-nhs/

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 10, 2022 9:19:05 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Jul 10, 2022 7:56:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

My 19 yo nephew is thinking about getting a vasectomy after this whole overturning thing. I don't know whether I'm more glad that he's so thoughtful or mad that he has to think that it's something he needs to do.

I've had conversations like that with ds. It's honestly brilliant. The procedure is reversible, but it isn't difficult or expensive to collect and store sperm and easy to use when you decide you want biological kids.

I wouldn’t count of vasectomies as being reversible. Success rates vary, and depends how n the procedure that was done. There is a reason it is considered a permanent form of birth control

[raeoflyte]

Jul 10, 2022 10:57:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 10, 2022 9:19:05 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

I've had conversations like that with ds. It's honestly brilliant. The procedure is reversible, but it isn't difficult or expensive to collect and store sperm and easy to use when you decide you want biological kids.

I wouldn’t count of vasectomies as being reversible. Success rates vary, and depends how n the procedure that was done. There is a reason it is considered a permanent form of birth control

But that's where the fail safe comes In with freezing speem.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 10, 2022 12:50:27 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Jul 10, 2022 10:57:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I wouldn’t count of vasectomies as being reversible. Success rates vary, and depends how n the procedure that was done. There is a reason it is considered a permanent form of birth control

But that's where the fail safe comes In with freezing speem.

As long as in vitro fertilization remains legal, fertility drugs remain legal, and sperm banks remain in business given the uncertainty of where this is going. I wouldn’t hazard to guess how crazy this all may get

[thyme4change]

Jul 10, 2022 13:07:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 10, 2022 12:50:27 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

But that's where the fail safe comes In with freezing speem.

As long as in vitro fertilization remains legal, fertility drugs remain legal, and sperm banks remain in business given the uncertainty of where this is going. I wouldn’t hazard to guess how crazy this all may get

If a man freezes enough, they can just turkey baster two or three times a month until it happens. Do you have to have the full on IVF/hormones/extraction/implantation process?

[raeoflyte]

Jul 10, 2022 13:07:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 10, 2022 12:50:27 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

But that's where the fail safe comes In with freezing speem.

As long as in vitro fertilization remains legal, fertility drugs remain legal, and sperm banks remain in business given the uncertainty of where this is going. I wouldn’t hazard to guess how crazy this all may get

That would affect the rich white constituents. I don't have faith in much, but they have a long list of civil rights to nullify before going after that crowd.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 10, 2022 14:05:43 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jul 10, 2022 13:07:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

As long as in vitro fertilization remains legal, fertility drugs remain legal, and sperm banks remain in business given the uncertainty of where this is going. I wouldn’t hazard to guess how crazy this all may get

If a man freezes enough, they can just turkey baster two or three times a month until it happens. Do you have to have the full on IVF/hormones/extraction/implantation process?

No, but freezing sperm for future use costs money. It’s not like you are donating it. So it is a decision: how much do I want to spend to have an insurance policy?

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 10, 2022 14:12:45 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

Jul 10, 2022 13:07:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

As long as in vitro fertilization remains legal, fertility drugs remain legal, and sperm banks remain in business given the uncertainty of where this is going. I wouldn’t hazard to guess how crazy this all may get

That would affect the rich white constituents. I don't have faith in much, but they have a long list of civil rights to nullify before going after that crowd.

You are giving the crazies far more credit than I am. They may pass crazy laws that affect things they do not understand. There are always unexpected consequences to actions, so there is that. More importantly, physicians may vote with their feet and decide they do not want to deal with the uncertainty and legal ridk and leave. That would greatly affect avoiding

[raeoflyte]

Jul 10, 2022 14:29:28 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 10, 2022 14:05:43 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

If a man freezes enough, they can just turkey baster two or three times a month until it happens. Do you have to have the full on IVF/hormones/extraction/implantation process?

No, but freezing sperm for future use costs money. It’s not like you are donating it. So it is a decision: how much do I want to spend to have an insurance policy?

It's cheap though. I'm still paying to keep frozen sperm.

[chiver78]

Jul 10, 2022 10:24:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 10, 2022 10:00:58 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I kinda see vasectomies being outlawed too.

Attacking male body autonomy?

that would never happen, attacking male bodily autonomy. plus, a vasectomy doesn't "kill a life" in that it is only half the components of the conception equation.

[chiver78]

Jul 10, 2022 10:30:50 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

The Catholic hospitals here won't do vasectomy birth control is birth control regardless of body part.

I don't see men getting as outraged as women though over it. At least not enough to move the meter on reproduction rights.

I'm actually okay with this, from the visage of consistency. the Catholic church isn't really known for that. I mean, as long as there are other hospital options where you are. bc otherwise, nobody has choice and that's not okay.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 10, 2022 13:07:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 10, 2022 12:50:27 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

But that's where the fail safe comes In with freezing speem.

As long as in vitro fertilization remains legal, fertility drugs remain legal, and sperm banks remain in business given the uncertainty of where this is going. I wouldn’t hazard to guess how crazy this all may get

this could be a boon to fertility clinics.  no joke.

[NastyWoman]

Jul 10, 2022 14:33:43 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 10, 2022 14:12:45 GMT -5 raeoflyte said:

That would affect the rich white constituents. I don't have faith in much, but they have a long list of civil rights to nullify before going after that crowd.

You are giving the crazies far more credit than I am. They may pass crazy laws that affect things they do not understand. There are always unexpected consequences to actions, so there is that. More importantly, physicians may vote with their feet and decide they do not want to deal with the uncertainty and legal ridk and leave. That would greatly affect avoiding

They may?   You give them still more credit then I do as they have passed that "goal" already IMO!

[busymom]

Jul 9, 2022 18:28:30 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jul 9, 2022 18:10:26 GMT -5 justme said:

www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/pregnant-woman-cited-for-hov-violation-says-her-unborn-baby-should-count-as-second-person/3010193/

Pregnant woman was pulled over in Texas in a HOV lane. When the cop asked where her second person is she pointed to her belly as the state of Texas now considered it a baby. She's fighting the ticket.

bless her! you can't fucking have it both ways, boys!

      Since that unborn baby is a person, I think all pregnant women should get 2 ballots on election day.  After all, if it's a person, shouldn't it have the right to vote?  

[NastyWoman]

Jul 10, 2022 16:42:03 GMT -5 busymom said:

Jul 9, 2022 18:28:30 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

bless her! you can't fucking have it both ways, boys!

      Since that unborn baby is a person, I think all pregnant women should get 2 ballots on election day.  After all, if it's a person, shouldn't it have the right to vote?  

Well since voting age is 18 maybe not. However, this DOES beg the question when a person is 18yo. Simple math would put that at 40 weeks prior to their 18th birthday. But I can see the  lawsuits coming for those who where born past their due date. Or, if the teen does not vote as desired someone claiming voter fraud for a teen who was a premature baby. 

[bean29]

Wait till tax season.  Someone will try to claim their unborn child on their tax return.