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Post by thyme4change on May 24, 2022 13:02:29 GMT -5
I am trying to keep my biases in check, but due to algorithms, I have trouble finding balanced information.
I get that they are going after Plan B, saying it is just a pharmaceutical abortion. That sucks.
I hear rumblings of **some** IUDs. That is alarming.
I know there are a couple of nut cases that believe all sex should be in the spirit of production.
So, a few questions -
1. How many nutcases are really out there trying to make sex purely for procreation? Is it just a handful of loudmouths, or is this really a trend? Are any of them in office? I really only know about that one candidate.
2. How much support for the IUD piece is there at the various state levels? Is this really gaining traction, or is it just talk?
3. Same question as 2 - but for Plan B.
4. Aside from said nutcases in Q1 - is anyone going after the pill, condems, diaphragms, etc? I have heard there are some saying it shouldn't be paid for with government funds - but not made illegal for use period.
5. How many national or state elected officials support a ban of abortion but have vowed against banning contraception?
I've read many articles, but no reliable source is answering these questions. So, I have no links.
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Post by swamp on May 24, 2022 13:48:18 GMT -5
I have the same questions
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 24, 2022 14:05:26 GMT -5
Some people running for office seem to think Griswold vs CT was wrongly decided, just like Roe vs Wade. Given the statements about what they would do if Roe was reversed, and their actions now, would you believe them if they said they weren't going to do anything about contraception? Women of chold bearing age may really need to think about where they want to live given the current political climate. Not sure anything is safe.
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Post by pooks on May 24, 2022 14:24:20 GMT -5
Seems like any state that bans abortion from fertilizations, I think Oklahoma, is going to effectively ban IUDs. Beyond that, I don't think there is any push to ban the pill, except in the looniest of the fringe.
One of Idaho's state reps had to backtrack at even implying he was open to banning IUDs. That statement got a ton of push back, even in right wing Idaho. No idea what is going to happen with plan B. I think eventually Idaho will remove the exemptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. Not sure if they will try to make it illegal to go out of state. Anyway, pretty much a hell scape.
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Post by bean29 on May 24, 2022 14:42:18 GMT -5
I said from the beginning that once they eliminated abortion they would go after contraception. I was told I was a nut case. They have not yet eliminated Roe v Wade, but already there are rumblings about eliminating birth control.
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Post by thyme4change on May 24, 2022 15:06:01 GMT -5
I said from the beginning that once they eliminated abortion they would go after contraception. I was told I was a nut case. They have not yet eliminated Roe v Wade, but already there are rumblings about eliminating birth control. What are they gaining from this? Keeping women down by hurling them into poverty and increasing the burden on deadbeat fathers and tax payers just doesn't seem like a great payoff. And why would the electorate go along with it? 95% of people have had sex outside of marriage. I am guessing most of them weren't angling for a bastard pregnancy.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 24, 2022 15:09:55 GMT -5
You are asking for logic in their positions? And I think cruelty is part of the attraction.
In a country where 50% of pregnancies are unplanned, I am not sure many people do long range thinking and think through th consequences of this. The people on this board are unicorns based on my professional experience
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 24, 2022 15:30:59 GMT -5
They want to keep women and minorities in their place. Most of the people pushing for this crap are white men.
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Post by Bob Ross on May 24, 2022 15:39:40 GMT -5
Gotta keep the population levels adequate in the poor, uneducated, established underclass for use as cheap labor for their rich donors.
Or in a nutshell, a return to serfdom.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 24, 2022 15:44:11 GMT -5
I said from the beginning that once they eliminated abortion they would go after contraception. I was told I was a nut case. They have not yet eliminated Roe v Wade, but already there are rumblings about eliminating birth control. What are they gaining from this? Keeping women down by hurling them into poverty and increasing the burden on deadbeat fathers and tax payers just doesn't seem like a great payoff. And why would the electorate go along with it? 95% of people have had sex outside of marriage. I am guessing most of them weren't angling for a bastard pregnancy. Well if women would just keep their legs closed there wouldn't be deadbeat fathers. And if there are conservatives don't care about it or the kids produced that is your punishment for having sex which is a perfectly natural biological urge. There are other governments out there that seek to control everything a woman does in the name of her "protection" and "own good". It's okay though our homegrown radicals are doing it in the name of Christianity. It's only when it's done in the name of Islam is it wrong.
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Post by hurley1980 on May 24, 2022 16:20:00 GMT -5
They want to keep women and minorities in their place. Most of the people pushing for this crap are white men. This exactly! I'm in California, so I am not worried, but I went off my BC during Covid. I wasn't dating anyone when it started, and I didn't want to sick, so I wasn't concerned when I let it lapse. I can still get back on my BC anytime I want, I just have to make an appointment. But the way things are going, I'm just not interested in dating anytime soon. I know there are good guys out there that believe in a women's right to control her own reproductive health, but it getting really hard to weed them out. So for now, there's no real reason for me to be on BC. I'm glad I don't have to worry about it, but I feel so bad for the women of these states that don't have the option like me. The men in their states want to control what they do.......its just a little to much like Handmaids Tale for my liking!
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Post by happyhoix on May 24, 2022 16:27:43 GMT -5
I said from the beginning that once they eliminated abortion they would go after contraception. I was told I was a nut case. They have not yet eliminated Roe v Wade, but already there are rumblings about eliminating birth control. What are they gaining from this? Keeping women down by hurling them into poverty and increasing the burden on deadbeat fathers and tax payers just doesn't seem like a great payoff. And why would the electorate go along with it? 95% of people have had sex outside of marriage. I am guessing most of them weren't angling for a bastard pregnancy. I heard a talking head the other day say that white supremacy guys want to eliminate abortions and contraception as a way to increase the number of white babies. Sounds stupid, but also sounds like something they match hatch in their little pea heads.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 24, 2022 17:26:56 GMT -5
I said from the beginning that once they eliminated abortion they would go after contraception. I was told I was a nut case. They have not yet eliminated Roe v Wade, but already there are rumblings about eliminating birth control. and whoever believes they will stop at that is hopelessly naive. To begin with the changes will start under the guise of states rights only to get imposed on all under federal law. Equal opportunity for all? Forget it. The Constitution doesn't mention POC or women as deserving of rights. The American version of the Taliban may not be growing quickly YET but the outlines are becoming visible. The question will become/is how long can we let this movement grow before we can no longer quell it relatively peacefully.
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Post by kadee79 on May 24, 2022 20:18:27 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on May 24, 2022 20:50:27 GMT -5
What are they gaining from this? Keeping women down by hurling them into poverty and increasing the burden on deadbeat fathers and tax payers just doesn't seem like a great payoff. And why would the electorate go along with it? 95% of people have had sex outside of marriage. I am guessing most of them weren't angling for a bastard pregnancy. I heard a talking head the other day say that white supremacy guys want to eliminate abortions and contraception as a way to increase the number of white babies. Sounds stupid, but also sounds like something they match hatch in their little pea heads. I don’t understand how that would work. Black people have sex too.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 24, 2022 23:18:16 GMT -5
I don't think they have thought through this. I believe it's to increase white babies born but many women have the means to do something about it. All they are going to do is increase the number of poor women and minorities that have kids. They are making "their" problem even worse. Crazy thought process of this bunch.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 24, 2022 23:27:42 GMT -5
i think it is a Trojan Horse.
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Post by thyme4change on May 25, 2022 1:10:06 GMT -5
i think it is a Trojan Horse. a) What are they sneaking inside that horse? b) Enter Trojan condem joke here. 😃
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Post by justme on May 25, 2022 1:14:05 GMT -5
I can't give you an exact number, but there's a not small amount of people that are against abortifacient birth control. While I don't think it's every "life begins at conception" it sure is the majority of them. As they assume life starts when sperm meets egg, any birth control that prevents implantation is akin to abortion to them.
If I'm recalling right that means plan b, and IUD, and a not small number of birth control pills fall under this.
Now the actual numbers behind getting it passed? I dunno, but at this point I won't say anything regarding women's rights is worth not worrying about. I'll be watching my state to see if I need to ask my Dr how I can get a new IUD since I think mine has 2 or 3 years left.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 25, 2022 10:01:59 GMT -5
i think it is a Trojan Horse. a) What are they sneaking inside that horse?b) Enter Trojan condem joke here. 😃 Christian Nationalism, authoritarianism, regression to a time when white men controlled everything including women's bodies. i am sure i am missing something.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 25, 2022 10:23:31 GMT -5
I can't give you an exact number, but there's a not small amount of people that are against abortifacient birth control. While I don't think it's every "life begins at conception" it sure is the majority of them. As they assume life starts when sperm meets egg, any birth control that prevents implantation is akin to abortion to them. If I'm recalling right that means plan b, and IUD, and a not small number of birth control pills fall under this. Now the actual numbers behind getting it passed? I dunno, but at this point I won't say anything regarding women's rights is worth not worrying about. I'll be watching my state to see if I need to ask my Dr how I can get a new IUD since I think mine has 2 or 3 years left. I pointed that out to DH the other night. We definitely live and work in states where I can bet money that the next step will be trying to ban IUDs. I have 3 more years to go on mine and I may not be able to get another one. We already have an entire hospital system who refuses to prescribe ANY birth control of any type for any reason because you know "religious rights" but I at least have two other systems I can go to. Roe v Wade is revoked and I truly believe my days of controlling my ability to reproduce are numbered. Especially since I am married. I have a feeling that is what they will go after first because marriage = making babies in their minds. Which then opens the door to them trying to get gay marriage off the books because then they can go back to the argument that since marriage is for baby making it can only be between a cis male and a cis woman.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 25, 2022 10:51:00 GMT -5
Thank goodness I am past the child producing age. And that I got help with DD getting permanent birth control. When the doctor that did it, he told us you never know what could happen with laws in the future. I wanted her protected, now she too is 51 so likely would have been to old, but you never know. So many of the kids and adults like her get abused, can you imagine.
They better increase foster homes, build orphanages, build more jails, more social workers, more food aid. Or raise wages a bunch so people can afford them. I don't see any of that happening, they will just be condemned when they can't care for them. Will we become like other poor countries with kids being homeless and roaming the streets?
I try not to think about it, it makes me terribly upset.
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Post by justme on May 25, 2022 11:07:04 GMT -5
I can't give you an exact number, but there's a not small amount of people that are against abortifacient birth control. While I don't think it's every "life begins at conception" it sure is the majority of them. As they assume life starts when sperm meets egg, any birth control that prevents implantation is akin to abortion to them. If I'm recalling right that means plan b, and IUD, and a not small number of birth control pills fall under this. Now the actual numbers behind getting it passed? I dunno, but at this point I won't say anything regarding women's rights is worth not worrying about. I'll be watching my state to see if I need to ask my Dr how I can get a new IUD since I think mine has 2 or 3 years left. I pointed that out to DH the other night. We definitely live and work in states where I can bet money that the next step will be trying to ban IUDs. I have 3 more years to go on mine and I may not be able to get another one. We already have an entire hospital system who refuses to prescribe ANY birth control of any type for any reason because you know "religious rights" but I at least have two other systems I can go to. Roe v Wade is revoked and I truly believe my days of controlling my ability to reproduce are numbered. Especially since I am married. I have a feeling that is what they will go after first because marriage = making babies in their minds. Which then opens the door to them trying to get gay marriage off the books because then they can go back to the argument that since marriage is for baby making it can only be between a cis male and a cis woman. At least over the last few years several online birth control pill companies have popped up. They just might have to switch to nondescript packaging. But I much prefer my IUD to pills.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on May 25, 2022 12:14:51 GMT -5
This is really so disheartening.
Hopefully young women will evaluate their chances of success and move to states with laws that won't handicap them. Would be great if these repressive states end up without a bunch of young women to bully.
Unfortunately, a lot of them are indoctrinated into these beleifs and have drank the coolaid of misogyny.
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Post by seriousthistime on May 25, 2022 13:47:18 GMT -5
They better increase foster homes, build orphanages, build more jails, more social workers, more food aid. Or raise wages a bunch so people can afford them. I don't see any of that happening, they will just be condemned when they can't care for them. Will we become like other poor countries with kids being homeless and roaming the streets? I try not to think about it, it makes me terribly upset. And adoption as a solution for an unwanted pregnancy brought to term? The states spend a ton of money supporting children who are available for adoption now. There is not a loving, deserving home for every child who is available to be adopted. Minority and disabled children will languish in the system. As my DDIL says, they only care about the fetus. After that, it's not their problem.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 25, 2022 14:29:45 GMT -5
They better increase foster homes, build orphanages, build more jails, more social workers, more food aid. Or raise wages a bunch so people can afford them. I don't see any of that happening, they will just be condemned when they can't care for them. Will we become like other poor countries with kids being homeless and roaming the streets? I try not to think about it, it makes me terribly upset. And adoption as a solution for an unwanted pregnancy brought to term? The states spend a ton of money supporting children who are available for adoption now. There is not a loving, deserving home for every child who is available to be adopted. Minority and disabled children will languish in the system. As my DDIL says, they only care about the fetus. After that, it's not their problem. And let's not forget these are the same people that want adoption agencies to be able to deny gay people the right to adopt because gay people raising kids is against whoever is sitting with the paperwork's religion. I read another article about a Jewish couple denied adoption because the only agency they had to go through was a Catholic one and they just weren't comfortable promoting "other" beliefs. Then there was another one about an interracial couple who couldn't adopt for similar reasons. The Supreme Court has already voted in several instances that "religious freedom" comes ahead of all else. What makes anyone think conservatives would open up adoption so all these unwanted babies can have homes? It isn't about babies. It's about controlling women because study after study shows when you take away a woman's ability to control her reproduction you set their advancement back. Binding us to our ability to make babies keeps us from pushing against that glass ceiling. This is about making sure the dipshits in control stay in control for decades to come. It wasn't till the 1960s that a significant leap was made in civil rights after the destruction wrought during the reformation. How long will it take us all to recover from what Republicans and the Supreme Court are plotting this time?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 14:42:00 GMT -5
I guess women should just not have sex then. Sex is not for women’s pleasure anyway, it’s just for men’s pleasure. Women just need to only have sex for the purposes of procreating with her husband, and it is her duty to make herself available to him at all times, and make sure the act is pleasurable for him. If she doesn’t want to have sex at any given moment, for whatever reason, too bad. If she doesn’t want to have babies and raise children at that point in her life or ever, for what ever reason, too bad.
And if a man violates her and gets her pregnant, that’s too bad too, because some kind of way, it was her fault she was violated anyway.
Of course, I don’t believe any of the shitty things I just wrote. I felt like a terrible person, just typing that bullshit. But it’s looking like there are an unfortunate number of people whose dicks get hard at the thought of that becoming our reality. Again.
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Post by tallguy on May 25, 2022 15:10:10 GMT -5
I guess women should just not have sex then. Sex is not for women’s pleasure anyway, it’s just for men’s pleasure. Women just need to only have sex for the purposes of procreating with her husband, and it is her duty to make herself available to him at all times, and make sure the act is pleasurable for him. If she doesn’t want to have sex at any given moment, for whatever reason, too bad. If she doesn’t want to have babies and raise children at that point in her life or ever, for what ever reason, too bad. And if a man violates her and gets her pregnant, that’s too bad too, because some kind of way, it was her fault she was violated anyway. Of course, I don’t believe any of the shitty things I just wrote. I felt like a terrible person, just typing that bullshit. But it’s looking like there are an unfortunate number of people whose dicks get hard at the thought of that becoming our reality. Again.I would bet that an overwhelming majority of those men could not get an intelligent, independent woman in the first place, and would have no idea of what to do to keep her if they did.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 25, 2022 15:17:53 GMT -5
I guess women should just not have sex then. Sex is not for women’s pleasure anyway, it’s just for men’s pleasure. Women just need to only have sex for the purposes of procreating with her husband, and it is her duty to make herself available to him at all times, and make sure the act is pleasurable for him. If she doesn’t want to have sex at any given moment, for whatever reason, too bad. If she doesn’t want to have babies and raise children at that point in her life or ever, for what ever reason, too bad. And if a man violates her and gets her pregnant, that’s too bad too, because some kind of way, it was her fault she was violated anyway. Of course, I don’t believe any of the shitty things I just wrote. I felt like a terrible person, just typing that bullshit. But it’s looking like there are an unfortunate number of people whose dicks get hard at the thought of that becoming our reality. Again.I would bet that an overwhelming majority of those men could not get an intelligent, independent woman in the first place, and would have no idea of what to do to keep her if they did. What is sad is they don't have to. There are plenty of women out there that believe the exact same thing usually schooled in the belief since day one. Your flower is saved for only your husband on your wedding day. So it's not like you're getting out there to compare notes. You then end up married to the dude who thinks having a WAP during sex is a medical disorder and has no clue he just advertised to the world he sucks at sex.
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Post by justme on May 25, 2022 15:42:43 GMT -5
The dating apps added an option to say whether you are vaccinated or not.
I'm hoping one has the balls to add the option to day if you're pro choice or anti abortion. Make my dating life easier.
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