Ten Dead In Buffalo, New York

[swamp]

May 15, 2022 10:25:32 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

May 14, 2022 19:26:03 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

?  So why Buffalo?  Why not Syracuse, due north?  Why not Rochester?  I don't get it.

The area he chose was a predominantly black area. It was a hate crime.

Syracuse, Binghamton, Rochester, Albany, and Utica all have predominantly black neighborhoods and are much closer than buffalo. 

[andi9899]

May 15, 2022 15:27:20 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 15, 2022 10:25:32 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The area he chose was a predominantly black area. It was a hate crime.

Syracuse, Binghamton, Rochester, Albany, and Utica all have predominantly black neighborhoods and are much closer than buffalo. 

Still a hate crime. The guy is a self proclaimed white supremacist.

[djAdvocate]

May 15, 2022 15:27:20 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 15, 2022 10:25:32 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The area he chose was a predominantly black area. It was a hate crime.

Syracuse, Binghamton, Rochester, Albany, and Utica all have predominantly black neighborhoods and are much closer than buffalo. 

he might have some connection to Buffalo, or even that particular store.
let's let the facts come out.  i doubt it is random.
this seems very well planned to me.

[Artemis Windsong]

This is crass. These shooters need to go to the Ukraine and fight the Russians.

[swamp]

May 15, 2022 16:38:07 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

May 15, 2022 15:27:20 GMT -5 swamp said:

Syracuse, Binghamton, Rochester, Albany, and Utica all have predominantly black neighborhoods and are much closer than buffalo. 

Still a hate crime. The guy is a self proclaimed white supremacist.

I agree it is a hate crime.  In addition to my general befuddlement about hating people because they have a different skin tone, I really don’t get why he drove to buffalo. 

[Tennesseer]

May 15, 2022 17:42:17 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 15, 2022 16:38:07 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Still a hate crime. The guy is a self proclaimed white supremacist.

I agree it is a hate crime.  In addition to my general befuddlement about hating people because they have a different skin tone, I really don’t get why he drove to buffalo. 

One thought came to mind: he maybe thought he could get away and drive back down to Broome County. Authorities may not initially search for someone that far away.

[tallguy]

May 15, 2022 17:42:17 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 15, 2022 16:38:07 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Still a hate crime. The guy is a self proclaimed white supremacist.

I agree it is a hate crime.  In addition to my general befuddlement about hating people because they have a different skin tone, I really don’t get why he drove to buffalo. 

Jets fan who hates the Bills?

[teen persuasion]

Apparently he did a search by zipcode, for highest % black population. 14208 was the winner close enough to him. There's only the one grocery store, which is closed now during the investigation.

[teen persuasion]

May 15, 2022 17:56:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 15, 2022 17:42:17 GMT -5 swamp said:

I agree it is a hate crime.  In addition to my general befuddlement about hating people because they have a different skin tone, I really don’t get why he drove to buffalo. 

One thought came to mind: he maybe thought he could get away and drive back down to Broome County. Authorities may not initially search for someone that far away.

I don't think he expected to get away.  He was live streaming and posted a manifesto online.  He wanted recognition.

Also, that police incident a year ago - it was a HS paper about post-graduation plans: murder-suicide.

[tallguy]

May 15, 2022 20:51:29 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Apparently he did a search by zipcode, for highest % black population. 14208 was the winner close enough to him. There's only the one grocery store, which is closed now during the investigation.

Well, that would make it real hard to argue against the hate-crime enhancement, wouldn't it?

[teen persuasion]

May 15, 2022 6:17:32 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

This is personal for the local politicians. Mayor Byron Brown lives in a nearby neighborhood (where DH and I went to college), has said he's shopped at that Tops, and worked to *get* a supermarket in the neighborhood (because - food desert). State Senator Tim Kennedy's staff member is the mother of one of the surviving gunshot victims. She said he was just doing his job, so sounds like he was an employee.

A former Buffalo Fire Commissioner's 86 year old mother was one of those killed.  And of course the retired BPD officer.

So we've got personal connections to the police department, fire department, mayor, and state Senate.

Hopefully this ends the attempts to kill the Safe Act, and actually expands it.  He legally bought that gun assault rifle used Saturday, despite his mental health evaluation less than a year ago, due to references to murder-suicide in a HS paper.

[happyhoix]

May 15, 2022 20:55:59 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

May 15, 2022 17:56:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One thought came to mind: he maybe thought he could get away and drive back down to Broome County. Authorities may not initially search for someone that far away.

I don't think he expected to get away.  He was live streaming and posted a manifesto online.  He wanted recognition.

Also, that police incident a year ago - it was a HS paper about post-graduation plans: murder-suicide.

He apparently planned to hit multiple places, so we can be grateful for the small blessing that he got caught at that store.

[happyhoix]

Arizona Republican is claiming the gunman was a federal agent.

Yes, a federal agent at 17 who cleverly posted a 180 page racist manifesto so he could shoot up a grocery store a year later.

Anything is better than admitting it’s too easy to get guns in this country.

Speaking of guns, there was an armed ex cop security guard at the store who shot the shooter three times but couldn’t penetrate the body armor. The gunman killed him.

So I guess we don’t need good men with guns all around to stop the bad guys - everyone needs to be armed and also wearing full body armor all the time, to thwart the crazies with guns.

[teen persuasion]

May 16, 2022 6:58:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Arizona Republican is claiming the gunman was a federal agent.

Yes, a federal agent at 17 who cleverly posted a 180 page racist manifesto so he could shoot up a grocery store a year later.

Anything is better than admitting it’s too easy to get guns in this country.

Speaking of guns, there was an armed ex cop security guard at the store who shot the shooter three times but couldn’t penetrate the body armor. The gunman killed him.

So I guess we don’t need good men with guns all around to stop the bad guys - everyone needs to be armed and also wearing full body armor all the time, to thwart the crazies with guns.

We need a way to weed out officials who put this whackadoodle nonsense out there.  They are using their office, their position, in government, to lend it credence.  It's utter garbage, but because someone in power said it, it has legs.

And we wonder why so many people are willing to believe conspiracy theories.

[irishpad]

May 15, 2022 7:07:08 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The stupid Great Replacement theory.

I don't know if there is a specific Replacement theory thread so I will post this here.

The Republicans are schizophrenic in their thinking.   On the one hand, "omg, all of these brown people coming into our country!"  Then on the other hand, they are cheering Roe v. Wade possible overturn.   Well if it is, then the birth rates will go up.  According to this  Birth Rate By Race , the brown babies will rule.

N.B., I am against abortion, but I think any change in that will only truly happen by insuring care for mother and their children so they choose to bear the child.  

[swamp]

May 16, 2022 10:22:01 GMT -5 irishpad said:

May 15, 2022 7:07:08 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The stupid Great Replacement theory.

I don't know if there is a specific Replacement theory thread so I will post this here.

The Republicans are schizophrenic in their thinking.   On the one hand, "omg, all of these brown people coming into our country!"  Then on the other hand, they are cheering Roe v. Wade possible overturn.   Well if it is, then the birth rates will go up.  According to this  Birth Rate By Race , the brown babies will rule.

N.B., I am against abortion, but I think any change in that will only truly happen by insuring care for mother and their children so they choose to bear the child.  

You mean by actually being pro life? 

[Tiny]

May 16, 2022 11:05:59 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 16, 2022 10:22:01 GMT -5 irishpad said:

I don't know if there is a specific Replacement theory thread so I will post this here.

The Republicans are schizophrenic in their thinking.   On the one hand, "omg, all of these brown people coming into our country!"  Then on the other hand, they are cheering Roe v. Wade possible overturn.   Well if it is, then the birth rates will go up.  According to this  Birth Rate By Race , the brown babies will rule.

N.B., I am against abortion, but I think any change in that will only truly happen by insuring care for mother and their children so they choose to bear the child.  

You mean by actually being pro life? 

I believe Irishpad has a complicated situation - as he is an "ordained minister" kind of person.... and so is honor/duty bound to uphold the laws/rules of the position he holds in his religious organization.  A kind of conflict of interest in this conversation.      

[swamp]

May 16, 2022 11:16:00 GMT -5 Tiny said:

May 16, 2022 11:05:59 GMT -5 swamp said:

You mean by actually being pro life? 

I believe Irishpad has a complicated situation - as he is an "ordained minister" kind of person.... and so is honor/duty bound to uphold the laws/rules of the position he holds in his religious organization.  A kind of conflict of interest in this conversation.      

I'm pretty sure he's a Catholic priest.   I get why he's prolife.   But I believe he is truly prolife and follows the teachings of Jesus where he believes we have a duty to care for the poor, the sick, and the less fortunate.  I respect that. 

I have no respect for the prolife forced birthers who just care about the fetus. 

[Tennesseer]

Article dated 5-15-2022

In the case of the Buffalo tragedy, is Fox News AWOL? And why?

You mean the mass shooting at a supermarket in Buffalo Saturday that left 10 people dead, and three injured? The one where 11 of the 13 victims were African American? The one where the killer posted a manifesto citing the "great replacement theory" as his motivation? The one being investigated as an act of domestic terrorism? That shooting?

We watched Fox News for an hour and a half Sunday morning, from 9:30 a.m. to 11 a.m., curious to hear their take on this horrific event. Surely there would be something — in the inimitable Fox style. Perhaps an expert saying we shouldn't rush to judgment and call it a hate crime. Or that "woke" liberals were seizing on the event as an opportunity to take away your Second Amendment rights.

We waited and waited.

There was one reference, somewhere between 9:30 a.m. and 10 a.m. A shooting in Buffalo had occurred, Fox told its viewers, and people were dead. But no elaboration, no commentary, no on-the-scene interviews. Perhaps 15 seconds, all told.

Among the topics that were deemed important enough to merit air time: the baby formula shortage, Biden's "two impeachable offenses," the criminal case against a Clinton-aligned lawyer, Michael Sussmann, the Steele dossier — remember the Steele dossier? — and something about chickens in Times Square.

Fox News has the right to its own agenda, just as MSNBC or CNN or CBS has the right to theirs. Everyone spins in their own way. Everyone orders the news based on their conception of what is news.

However, the silence surrounding the Buffalo tragedy, on Fox's Sunday morning cavalcade, is telling.

It is an absence, you might say, that speaks louder than words.

All in writing
It so happens that the alleged killer, Payton S. Gendron of Conklin, New York, left a manifesto.

If his motivation wasn't clear enough by his choice of a supermarket in a Black community, his writing the N-word on his rifle, and live-streaming the attack on Twitch so that like-minded folks could have front row seats to the massacre, he also left a 180-page online manifesto, now being examined by law enforcement.

In it, he apparently bemoans "white genocide" in America, spouts racist and anti-Semitic language, and appeals to “those that wish for a future for white children and the existence of our people.”

"The Great Replacement Theory" has been a favorite talking point of Fox News superstar Tucker Carlson for several years now.

Rest of article: In the case of the Buffalo tragedy, is Fox News AWOL? And why?

[Tennesseer]

Article dated 4-11-2021

Tucker Carlson and White Replacement
This racist theory is rooted in white supremacist panic.

On Thursday, Fox News host Tucker Carlson caused an uproar by promoting the racist, anti-Semitic, patriarchal and conspiratorial “white replacement theory.” Also known as the “great replacement theory,” it stands on the premise that nonwhite immigrants are being imported (sometimes the Jewish community is accused of orchestrating this) to replace white people and white voters. The theory is also an inherent chastisement of white women for having a lower birthrate than nonwhite women.

As Carlson put it:

“I know that the left and all the gatekeepers on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term ‘replacement,’ if you suggest that the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate, the voters now casting ballots, with new people, more obedient voters, from the third world. But, they become hysterical because that’s what’s happening, actually. Let’s just say it: That’s true.”

Carlson continued, “Every time they import a new voter, I become disenfranchised as a current voter.”

The whole statement is problematic. First, what is the third world? This label originated as a way to categorize countries that didn’t align with Western countries or the former Soviet bloc. It’s now often used to describe poor countries, or developing countries, and by extension, mostly nonwhite majority countries.

Rest of article here:  Tucker Carlson and White Replacement

[swamp]

Maybe this is for another thread, but I really don't get why a decreasing percentages of whites in the population is a big deal.   Populations evolve over years.   Big deal.  

First the Irish were going to kill our culture, then the Italians, then the Eastern Europeans, and the Chinese, and the Jews, blah, blah blah.    We all end up being fat suburbanites after a few generations.  

[happyhoix]

May 16, 2022 10:22:01 GMT -5 irishpad said:

May 15, 2022 7:07:08 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The stupid Great Replacement theory.

I don't know if there is a specific Replacement theory thread so I will post this here.

The Republicans are schizophrenic in their thinking.   On the one hand, "omg, all of these brown people coming into our country!"  Then on the other hand, they are cheering Roe v. Wade possible overturn.   Well if it is, then the birth rates will go up.  According to this  Birth Rate By Race , the brown babies will rule.

N.B., I am against abortion, but I think any change in that will only truly happen by insuring care for mother and their children so they choose to bear the child.  

Yeah they are schizophrenic, in many ways. On immigration, they seem to forget most of us came here from someplace else - and some of them only 1 or 2 generations off the boat. Trumps grandfather and his mother and two of his wives were immigrants. Stephen Miller, his reptilian advisor, lost family members in Nazi death camps. They’ve forgotten their own immigrant stories in their rush to vilify new immigrants.

And I agree with you on abortions- my hope is that some day every baby will be a wanted baby and abortions will be a thing of the past.

[happyhoix]

May 16, 2022 12:01:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

Maybe this is for another thread, but I really don't get why a decreasing percentages of whites in the population is a big deal.   Populations evolve over years.   Big deal.  

First the Irish were going to kill our culture, then the Italians, then the Eastern Europeans, and the Chinese, and the Jews, blah, blah blah.    We all end up being fat suburbanites after a few generations.  

They want to keep Protestant Christianity the de facto religion. A lot of non whites are Catholics or worse, Muslims. And church attendance is shrinking so converting the newcomers probably won’t happen.

They also want to keep whites at the top of the power structures, so they can keep the country white friendly, with their white neighborhoods and mostly white schools. No mingling!

[Rukh O'Rorke]

May 16, 2022 12:01:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

Maybe this is for another thread, but I really don't get why a decreasing percentages of whites in the population is a big deal.   Populations evolve over years.   Big deal.  

First the Irish were going to kill our culture, then the Italians, then the Eastern Europeans, and the Chinese, and the Jews, blah, blah blah.    We all end up being fat suburbanites after a few generations.  

I don't think we can make sense out of the senseless.

These people are just stupid.

Weird, mean, stupid.

If they are worried about "replacement", why don't they get a job, get married, have kids?

It's just senseless.

[djAdvocate]

May 16, 2022 12:01:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

Maybe this is for another thread, but I really don't get why a decreasing percentages of whites in the population is a big deal.   Populations evolve over years.   Big deal.  

First the Irish were going to kill our culture, then the Italians, then the Eastern Europeans, and the Chinese, and the Jews, blah, blah blah.    We all end up being fat suburbanites after a few generations.  

scapegoatism is in our DNA.

[teen persuasion]

May 16, 2022 11:54:27 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Article dated 5-15-2022

In the case of the Buffalo tragedy, is Fox News AWOL? And why?

You mean the mass shooting at a supermarket in Buffalo Saturday that left 10 people dead, and three injured? The one where 11 of the 13 victims were African American? The one where the killer posted a manifesto citing the "great replacement theory" as his motivation? The one being investigated as an act of domestic terrorism? That shooting?

We watched Fox News for an hour and a half Sunday morning, from 9:30 a.m. to 11 a.m., curious to hear their take on this horrific event. Surely there would be something — in the inimitable Fox style. Perhaps an expert saying we shouldn't rush to judgment and call it a hate crime. Or that "woke" liberals were seizing on the event as an opportunity to take away your Second Amendment rights.

We waited and waited.

There was one reference, somewhere between 9:30 a.m. and 10 a.m. A shooting in Buffalo had occurred, Fox told its viewers, and people were dead. But no elaboration, no commentary, no on-the-scene interviews. Perhaps 15 seconds, all told.

Among the topics that were deemed important enough to merit air time: the baby formula shortage, Biden's "two impeachable offenses," the criminal case against a Clinton-aligned lawyer, Michael Sussmann, the Steele dossier — remember the Steele dossier? — and something about chickens in Times Square.

Fox News has the right to its own agenda, just as MSNBC or CNN or CBS has the right to theirs. Everyone spins in their own way. Everyone orders the news based on their conception of what is news.

However, the silence surrounding the Buffalo tragedy, on Fox's Sunday morning cavalcade, is telling.

It is an absence, you might say, that speaks louder than words.

All in writing
It so happens that the alleged killer, Payton S. Gendron of Conklin, New York, left a manifesto.

If his motivation wasn't clear enough by his choice of a supermarket in a Black community, his writing the N-word on his rifle, and live-streaming the attack on Twitch so that like-minded folks could have front row seats to the massacre, he also left a 180-page online manifesto, now being examined by law enforcement.

In it, he apparently bemoans "white genocide" in America, spouts racist and anti-Semitic language, and appeals to “those that wish for a future for white children and the existence of our people.”

"The Great Replacement Theory" has been a favorite talking point of Fox News superstar Tucker Carlson for several years now.

Rest of article: In the case of the Buffalo tragedy, is Fox News AWOL? And why?

There were a lot of tweets about the Great Replacement Theory on Twitter today.  Many blaming Tucker for 400 references to it, making it mainstream, not fringe.  Many taking Elise Stefanik to task over her promotion of it. 

[teen persuasion]

My brother knew one of the victims. Not sure which one, but the news mentioned one was a substitute teacher, so she may be the one - DB is a teacher in the city system.

I was also pleased to see that the local news station I watch made a deliberate point to NOT name or show the face of the shooter again, after law enforcement's comment about giving him recognition. They primarily focused on the stories of the lives lost, and what they'd all done for the community and their families. Community organizers, church members, helping ill family, etc. There was a focus, too, on the community coming together to organize food drives and rides to other area stores, and grief counseling.

Unfortunately, the national news didn't follow suit.

[teen persuasion]

People say I'm a very brave girl

"I was scared for my mom. I did not know what happened to her because she was in the front and I was in the back. I didn't know where she was. I thought she was gone," Londin said.

[Tennesseer]

May 16, 2022 19:13:15 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

People say I'm a very brave girl

"I was scared for my mom. I did not know what happened to her because she was in the front and I was in the back. I didn't know where she was. I thought she was gone," Londin said.

Kids should not have to go through this kind of stuff-let alone adults.

[NastyWoman]

May 16, 2022 6:58:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Arizona Republican is claiming the gunman was a federal agent.

Yes, a federal agent at 17 who cleverly posted a 180 page racist manifesto so he could shoot up a grocery store a year later.

Anything is better than admitting it’s too easy to get guns in this country.

Speaking of guns, there was an armed ex cop security guard at the store who shot the shooter three times but couldn’t penetrate the body armor. The gunman killed him.

So I guess we don’t need good men with guns all around to stop the bad guys - everyone needs to be armed and also wearing full body armor all the time, to thwart the crazies with guns.

Already? I thought the Repubs were still in the "thoughts and prayers" phase. You know the one right before they turn around and ignore anything THAT bad happened - followed by whining about how we should not deprive the "good" ones for the actions of the lone wolves. Lime invading their privacy (HA the hypocrites -guns are worthy of privacy while human bodies are supposedly not) and confiscate their guns...