SCOTUS draft protests

[justme]

May 11, 2022 16:05:00 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

May 11, 2022 16:01:35 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Say goodbye to Griswold vs Connecticut then. Hope everyone enjoyed being able to control fertility.

At least the domestic supply of infants will be robust.

I've had conversations with people and they don't understand when I say that in some aspects that in the US a lot of adoptions have pretty much become legalized human trafficking. Alito writing that at least gives me something to point to - Supreme Court allowing abortion to become illegal so we can have more domestic adoptions.

[ripvanwinkle]

Last Sunday I saw on the news those women doing a SCOTUS protest in that Calif church wearing red hand maidens robes. I've not seen the movie so I don't know what its about but I think they could have had a better impact if they had done this in a Muslim mosque. I heard the Afghan Taliban now says all women have to completely cover up.

Where's the women's rights group standing up for these oppressed women. Picket at the Muslim Mosques.

[dondub]

May 11, 2022 21:18:08 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Last Sunday I saw on the news those women doing a SCOTUS protest in that Calif church wearing red hand maidens robes. I've not seen the movie so I don't know what its about but I think they could have had a better impact if they had done this in a Muslim mosque. I heard the Afghan Taliban now says all women have to completely cover up.

Where's the women's rights group standing up for these oppressed women. Picket at the Muslim Mosques.

Well rip, there doesn’t seem to be any Taliban here in America. So feel free to relax and accept women that aren’t completely covered. Your team already wasted 6 trillion ‘over there’.

[Tennesseer]

May 11, 2022 21:18:08 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Last Sunday I saw on the news those women doing a SCOTUS protest in that Calif church wearing red hand maidens robes. I've not seen the movie so I don't know what its about but I think they could have had a better impact if they had done this in a Muslim mosque. I heard the Afghan Taliban now says all women have to completely cover up.

Where's the women's rights group standing up for these oppressed women. Picket at the Muslim Mosques.

Nice try, Rip.

Not that you would but it would behoove you to read the Handmaid's Tale which is where the red clothing you mentioned is from. The book just might make yiu think for once.

Also nice try in your attempt to smear Muslims. Your ignorance of the Mulsim religion and its followers is quite apparent as not all nor do most Muslim women wear head to toe coverings as now required in Afghanistan. A Muslim woman could walk right passed you on the street and you would not know she is Muslim as she would be wearing the same women's clothing as most American women of all faiths wear.

[djAdvocate]

May 11, 2022 21:18:08 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Last Sunday I saw on the news those women doing a SCOTUS protest in that Calif church wearing red hand maidens robes. I've not seen the movie so I don't know what its about but I think they could have had a better impact if they had done this in a Muslim mosque. I heard the Afghan Taliban now says all women have to completely cover up.

Where's the women's rights group standing up for these oppressed women. Picket at the Muslim Mosques.

Afghanistan allows abortions when the mother's life is at risk.
the trigger laws in 13 states are more restrictive than Afghanistan.

thank you for the plumb, sir.  may i have another?

[tbop77]

May 11, 2022 22:48:08 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 11, 2022 21:18:08 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Last Sunday I saw on the news those women doing a SCOTUS protest in that Calif church wearing red hand maidens robes. I've not seen the movie so I don't know what its about but I think they could have had a better impact if they had done this in a Muslim mosque. I heard the Afghan Taliban now says all women have to completely cover up.

Where's the women's rights group standing up for these oppressed women. Picket at the Muslim Mosques.

Nice try, Rip.

Not that you would but it would behoove you to read the Handmaid's Tale which is where the red clothing you mentioned is from. The book just might make yiu think for once.

Also nice try in your attempt to smear Muslims. Your ignorance of the Mulsim religion and its followers is quite apparent as not all nor do most Muslim women wear head to toe coverings as now required in Afghanistan. A Muslim woman could walk right passed you on the street and you would not know she is Muslim as she would be wearing the same women's clothing as most American women of all faiths wear.

Perfect example of the low information voter that Trump loves.  

[Opti]

May 11, 2022 21:18:08 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Last Sunday I saw on the news those women doing a SCOTUS protest in that Calif church wearing red hand maidens robes. I've not seen the movie so I don't know what its about but I think they could have had a better impact if they had done this in a Muslim mosque. I heard the Afghan Taliban now says all women have to completely cover up.

Where's the women's rights group standing up for these oppressed women. Picket at the Muslim Mosques.

Is this your thinking or RW talking head opinion? Protesting the SCOTUS draft at a Mosque seems pretty stupid and worthless.

[Tennesseer]

May 11, 2022 21:18:08 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Last Sunday I saw on the news those women doing a SCOTUS protest in that Calif church wearing red hand maidens robes. I've not seen the movie so I don't know what its about but I think they could have had a better impact if they had done this in a Muslim mosque. I heard the Afghan Taliban now says all women have to completely cover up.

Where's the women's rights group standing up for these oppressed women. Picket at the Muslim Mosques.

Handmaid's Tale author warns Supreme Court is making her nightmare vision a reality

On Friday, writing for The Atlantic, Canadian author Margaret Atwood — author of the patriarchal dystopia "The Handmaid's Tale" — said that the Supreme Court's impending decision to strike down Roe v. Wade creates the nightmarish world she was depicting.

"In the fictional theocracy of Gilead, women had very few rights, as in 17th-century New England," wrote Atwood. "The Bible was cherry-picked, with the cherries being interpreted literally. Based on the reproductive arrangements in Genesis — specifically, those of the family of Jacob — the wives of high-ranking patriarchs could have female slaves, or 'handmaids,' and those wives could tell their husbands to have children by the handmaids and then claim the children as theirs."

Atwood went on to reveal that she actually stopped writing the novel multiple times because she considered its premise to be too extreme to be taken seriously.

"Silly me," she commented. "Theocratic dictatorships do not lie only in the distant past: There are a number of them on the planet today. What is to prevent the United States from becoming one of them? For instance: It is now the middle of 2022, and we have just been shown a leaked opinion of the Supreme Court of the United States that would overthrow settled law of 50 years on the grounds that abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution, and is not 'deeply rooted' in our 'history and tradition.'"

This argument, noted Atwood, is only true because the original Constitution didn't mention women or protect women's rights in any form — not even being given the franchise until the 19th Amendment's passage in the early 20th century.

"Women were nonpersons in U.S. law for a lot longer than they have been persons," wrote Atwood. "If we start overthrowing settled law using Justice Samuel Alito’s justifications, why not repeal votes for women?"

Moreover, she noted, the time period Alito calls back to featured witch trials, where women were powerless to prove their innocence — something that would, in effect, come back with accusations of illegal abortions.

"If Justice Alito wants you to be governed by the laws of the 17th century, you should take a close look at that century," Atwood concluded. "Is that when you want to live?"

Handmaid's Tale author warns Supreme Court is making her nightmare vision a reality

[Opti]

I have no desire to watch or know about the Handmaid's Tale as I wonder if it has helped some men and people in power long for that world. I do not know the author's purpose in writing it. 

I don't care what Alito wants. The important thing should be that most of us want to go forwards not backwards. 

[dondub]

May 13, 2022 11:11:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

I have no desire to watch or know about the Handmaid's Tale as I wonder if it has helped some men and people in power long for that world. I do not know the author's purpose in writing it. 

I don't care what Alito wants. The important thing should be that most of us want to go forwards not backwards. 

I considered it a warning. And now Atwood is warning us again. And I know of only one other poster here, DJ, that is aware of the dominion movement. It will spring from there when the moment comes.

[djAdvocate]

May 13, 2022 23:43:27 GMT -5 dondub said:

May 13, 2022 11:11:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

I have no desire to watch or know about the Handmaid's Tale as I wonder if it has helped some men and people in power long for that world. I do not know the author's purpose in writing it. 

I don't care what Alito wants. The important thing should be that most of us want to go forwards not backwards. 

I considered it a warning. And now Atwood is warning us again. And I know of only one other poster here, DJ, that is aware of the dominion movement. It will spring from there when the moment comes.

yeah.  i know it.
i know Atwoods work very well too.
have read quite a few of her books.
she is a fine writer.
and more prescient than she gives herself credit for.

[justme]

Handsmaid Tale was a book I put on my kindle for my vacation a couple years ago...I think it was Halloween 2019. I barely got until the book because it made me want to throw up and cry. Which pretty much is the opposite of vacation.

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

May 11, 2022 21:18:08 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Last Sunday I saw on the news those women doing a SCOTUS protest in that Calif church wearing red hand maidens robes. I've not seen the movie so I don't know what its about but I think they could have had a better impact if they had done this in a Muslim mosque. I heard the Afghan Taliban now says all women have to completely cover up.

Where's the women's rights group standing up for these oppressed women. Picket at the Muslim Mosques.

Wait. What?

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

May 13, 2022 11:11:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

I have no desire to watch or know about the Handmaid's Tale as I wonder if it has helped some men and people in power long for that world. I do not know the author's purpose in writing it. 

I don't care what Alito wants. The important thing should be that most of us want to go forwards not backwards. 

Her purpose was to foretell of a potential situation based on our society's tendencies and direction at the time of her writing. It's the same purpose as 1984 or much of Bradbury's work. 

[djAdvocate]

May 14, 2022 1:09:22 GMT -5 justme said:

Handsmaid Tale was a book I put on my kindle for my vacation a couple years ago...I think it was Halloween 2019. I barely got until the book because it made me want to throw up and cry. Which pretty much is the opposite of vacation.

it is ultimately kinda triumphant, but you have to suffer a lot to get through it.

[Tennesseer]

May 14, 2022 9:25:30 GMT -5 Knee Deep in Water Chloe said:

May 11, 2022 21:18:08 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Last Sunday I saw on the news those women doing a SCOTUS protest in that Calif church wearing red hand maidens robes. I've not seen the movie so I don't know what its about but I think they could have had a better impact if they had done this in a Muslim mosque. I heard the Afghan Taliban now says all women have to completely cover up.

Where's the women's rights group standing up for these oppressed women. Picket at the Muslim Mosques.

Wait. What?

Very confused.

[Tennesseer]

May 14, 2022 9:28:01 GMT -5 Knee Deep in Water Chloe said:

May 13, 2022 11:11:14 GMT -5 Opti said:

I have no desire to watch or know about the Handmaid's Tale as I wonder if it has helped some men and people in power long for that world. I do not know the author's purpose in writing it. 

I don't care what Alito wants. The important thing should be that most of us want to go forwards not backwards. 

Her purpose was to foretell of a potential situation based on our society's tendencies and direction at the time of her writing. It's the same purpose as 1984 or much of Bradbury's work. 

Read this after reading The Handmaid's Tale around 2017 after I saw where our existing Republican government and its electe leaders could take us (and still are taking us with Republican states and their elected local, state and federal officials changing election laws, limiting our personal rights and so much more).

Premise

The novel was published during the heyday of fascism in Europe, which was reported on by Dorothy Thompson, Lewis's wife.[3] The novel describes the rise of Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a demagogue who is elected President of the United States, after fomenting fear and promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and traditional values. After his election, Windrip takes complete control of the government via self-coup and imposes totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force, in the manner of European fascists such as Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. The novel's plot centers on journalist Doremus Jessup's opposition to the new regime and his subsequent struggle against it as part of a liberal rebellion

Presidency of Donald Trump

Several writers have compared the demagogue Buzz Windrip to Donald Trump. Michael Paulson wrote in The New York Times that the Berkeley Repertory Theatre's 2016 rendition of the play aimed to provoke discussion about Trump's presidential candidacy.[36] Writing for The Guardian, Jules Stewart discussed the similarities between Trump's America with the country as depicted in the book.[37] In Salon, Maclolm Harris stated: "Like Trump, Windrip uses a lack of tact as a way to distinguish himself" and "The social forces that Windrip and Trump invoke aren’t funny, they’re murderous."[38] In The Washington Post, Carlos Lozada compared Trump to Windrip, opining that "it is impossible to miss the similarities between Trump and totalitarian figures in American literature."[39] Jacob Weisberg wrote in Slate that one "can’t read Lewis' novel today without flashes of Trumpian recognition."[40] Following the results of the 2016 United States presidential election, sales of It Can't Happen Here surged significantly, and it appeared on Amazon.com's list of bestselling books.[41] Penguin Modern Classics released a new edition of the novel on January 20, 2017, the same day as the inauguration of Donald Trump.[42]

It Can't Happen Here