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Post by raeoflyte on May 23, 2022 23:03:02 GMT -5
Im.catching up here and missed somethings, but If your vaccinated you don't have to quarantine anymore with an exposure as long as you don't have symptoms. You are supposed to mask for at least 10 days after exposure. Dd was allowed to go to school just had to mask. We aren't doing the dojo or boxing because they entail heavy breathing in close quarters which seems toi risky even masked, but dh is at work and Im doing grocery runs. Dd can play with friends masked and outdoors. The only place that required we reschedule is dd orthopedist recheck. Because it's not an emergency and they see kids too young to be vaccinated they moved us out a week. Dd was crushed that she has to spend another week in the boot. Eta - there is no good answer here. Too much we still don't know. I'm in decision overload figuring out what we will and won't do while in our exposure window (and how long is our exposure window, etc). Lots of different rules. Ds physical therapist wanted to reschedule ds appointment this week and I was like, we don't have to isolate, but he does! Especially PT where distancing isn't possible for a non - emergency issue. At my son's school and at work, if you're vaccinated and exposed you don't have to do anything except monitor yourself for symptoms. Carrot has been a close contact multiple times since he was vaccinated. Never tested positive or became symptomatic.
Cdc guidelines say to mask for 10 days from exposure. Which is easy if it's an isolated exposure. Harder to gage when I can't lock ds in his room, but I'm going off of the 10 days from positive test since he's feeling better. They must have changed reporting requirements though. We stopped getting any notifications of exposure from ds school, but we know his friend had it the week before, and ds was 1 of 3 6th graders out the last week with covid.
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Post by toomuchreality on May 23, 2022 23:40:12 GMT -5
Mister loves the smell of jasmine, so being the good girlfriend that I am , I ordered a jasmine plant to try to grow for him. It took so long for it to ship, that I actually kind of forgot about it. I thought about it today, and checked my email, and lo and behold, it was delivered Saturday. The first time Mister and I checked the mailbox here, it was a couple of days after we moved, and we were outside at night talking about lights and stuff and wandered up to the mailbox to get the mail out. The mailbox is encased in brick, and in a flowerbed. That night, there were huge bugs running around the bricks surrounding the mailbox, and at least 3 more INSIDE the mailbox when Mister opened it. Needless to say, we left the mail in there that night. A few months later, while DS was visiting, him and DD took pictures and video of all the HUGE spiders hanging from webs in that flowerbed. Pictures and videos I never looked at, and told them to show Mister instead of me. So, of course, I never get the mail because I’m scared. But in my defense, it was creepy enough that Mister doesn’t even like getting the mail, and he doesn’t every day. Maybe once/week, unless he knows from watching informed delivery that there is something important in it. That is the same flowerbed I had Mister help me plant flowers in last spring. Mister did all the digging and planting, I just supervised while keeping an eye out for big ass bugs. I’ve not been really good at tending to those plants other than watering them from a safe distance. But they are thriving anyway, thank goodness. So today I was gonna be brave and get the mail because that’s where the jasmine plant was. I opened the mailbox, which was full, and the first thing I saw was a big ass bug. I tried to be brave, and threw the catalog the bug was on on the ground, but it wouldn’t come out of the catalog. So I tried to be brave again, and slid the jasmine package out of the mailbox and let it fall on the ground in case there was a bug on it too. I didn’t see another bug, but there was still the problem of the mail on the ground with the big bug in it. I scooted it around with my foot, prepared to run when it came out, but it refused to come out of hiding. My nerves couldn’t take any more, so I left the catalog on the ground and didn’t get the rest of the mail out of the mailbox. I was embarrassed to tell Mister what I did, but whatever. I don’t like being like that, and I really, really wish I wasn’t, but it is a real and genuine fear for me. I’m trying to work on it because I want to grow stuff outside and I know that means dealing with bugs, but Good Lord, I’m not ready yet. There’s no telling how long it will be before I try to get the mail again, I don’t care what’s in the mailbox. Well, maybe a check with some commas…… Imma go get that, damn some bugs lol. No check with commas, I can keep waiting until Mister gets the mail lol. Fuck that mailbox. I would not be going near that mailbox, ever, for anything, until it had been drenched (inside and out, as well as surrounding area) with the Ortho 6+ months bug spray. And even then, I'd be very freaked out. I think you did very well, all things considered. I'm not happy about my fear/phobia either. I feel lucky to leave the house sometimes. I do the best I can.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 24, 2022 1:52:35 GMT -5
Hubs sprayed all around the house for bugs. I found a spider in my sewing room it's now dead. I said did you spray in the basement. He said you didn't tell me too. Good grief, why not? I'm going to fumigate down there and in about 6 to 10 days do it again. Never seen a spider in the basement before. I hate them.
I quit sewing at 12, I have a blouse more than half done. I need to sit in the sleeves and shorten. It will probably look strange, it's knit material and has oranges and lemons on it, but I like it. Don't know what else you would use that fabric for. Then I sat my buttonhole maker up, had to change the throat plate so when I did that, went ahead and cleaned the fuzz out of the bobbin area and oiled it, also put in a new needle, like a nice new sharp one when I do buttonhole. Need to do that after sewing quite a bit, and also with fabrics that fray more. Since it was late and I was getting tired didn't put the buttonholes in tonight, don't want to mess them up. It's really hard to pick the thread out of a buttonhole if you don't make them right. My older machine, you have to do manual adjustments with the foot to make one. This one has several automatic ones. You select the mode and number, and tightness of the foot and it sews them on its own. The button is put in a slot on top of the attachment, and it makes one the right size. They probably have even easier ones by now. That machine is at least 10 years or older.
I feel good that I can still thread needles. About 15 years ago I stopped sewing for several years as I couldn't see good enough. The new lens material made my sight so much better I was able to sew again. Just thrilled me. I do have a light and magnifying glass for the machine if I need it. Don't have to use it very often.
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 24, 2022 1:53:27 GMT -5
I need to go to bed, it's almost 3AM.
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Post by finnime on May 24, 2022 3:47:28 GMT -5
Good morning, gracious and good invisipeeps of Y Ma'am. Welcome to Tuesday. I hope you have a solidly good day, with progress made towards the goals most important to you.
I'm off to bring DD to a medical appointment in the city. That will take up the morning. This afternoon I'll make a sour cream pound cake to go with the mounds of fresh fruit I got at the farmer's market.
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Post by buystoys on May 24, 2022 5:11:23 GMT -5
Good morning! I did get a batch of cookies baked yesterday. Today we need to run errands, go grocery shopping, and I need to do some more baking. My sister is going to help me out by making banana bread for the bake sale. I really hope we can get a large number of items to sell. We need the funds for our veterans home Christmas program. Hoping you all have a terrific Tuesday!
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 24, 2022 6:48:51 GMT -5
Rae beat me to it. I was pretty sure you didn't have to quarantine anymore if you were vax'd and had no symptoms.
My neighbor continued going to work as a police officer while his whole family had it again 2 weeks ago. He had no symptoms so he continued working.
The rules keep changing and its hard to keep up.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 24, 2022 7:08:36 GMT -5
I am with Pink.
I no longer have any trust in what the CDC says. Guidelines are changed but it isn't based off science.
It's people like mich and my cousins who flew with Covid why I don't know when I will ever get on a plane again.
Just because a person has no symptoms does not mean they do not have Covid.
Driving limits my exposure to short breaks to buy gas and go to the bathroom (masked). There is no place in US airports or planes to reduce your risk.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 24, 2022 7:29:51 GMT -5
I am with Pink. I no longer have any trust in what the CDC says. Guidelines are changed but it isn't based off science. It's people like mich and my cousins who flew with Covid why I don't know when I will ever get on a plane again. Just because a person has no symptoms does not mean they do not have Covid. Driving limits my exposure to short breaks to buy gas and go to the bathroom (masked). There is no place in US airports or planes to reduce your risk. Now we're not to trust the CDC either? Wasn't that what everyone was calling the Trumpers stupid for the last couple years?
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Post by giramomma on May 24, 2022 7:39:33 GMT -5
I think the public school system would still prefer that the schools would all be shut down and all the kids would be forced to do online learning at home. Of course, they don't say that anymore. But they also make barriers for keeping kids in school, like the missy, way, way, way too high. If she relied on schools for her school like most 70% of the kids at the elementary school do, she'd literally be down to two meals a day, at best, for two weeks.
For me it's the unpredictability. How did my husband get covid from being in a van with my son for 5 minutes, yet, the missy and I shared a bed with DH when he was contagious, and we didn't get it? The missy is too young for vaccinations. Most people don't have the luxury of completely isolating anymore. And taking the kids out of school, quitting our jobs so that we can homeschool/keep the kids at home and continue to be their everything for the next few years seems like a over-reaction, even if we can afford it for at least a few years.
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Post by wvugurl26 on May 24, 2022 7:39:56 GMT -5
On some level either the vaccine works or it doesn't. If you have to quarantine just as long as a non vaccinated person after an exposure then why get the vaccine?
As much as we'd love to get rid of it forever, I don't think it's going away. I think the best hope is of a yearly flu/covid vaccine.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 7:54:21 GMT -5
It's people like mich and my cousins who flew with Covid why I don't know when I will ever get on a plane again. Just because a person has no symptoms does not mean they do not have Covid. All of us have to decide what risks we're going to take. I'd be less concerned about someone vaccinated and exposed on the flights than someone who KNEW they had COVID and got on the plane anyway. But, let's be realistic. How many people were on my flight between Chicago and Munich? I bet there were a few who tested positive but they'd paid for tickets, didn't have insurance and just hoped they'd get better. The Munich to Chicago trip required a negative test so that was less of a concern. I'm not going out bar-hopping or to motorcycle rallies but I'm going to venture out and be as careful as I can be (a dozen trips with Bolt drivers in Malta probably didn't help but walking was not an option and many of those trips were logistics to replace my passport). I did want to scream when Air Malta jammed us onto an unventilated bus to go from the plane to the terminal. Totally out of my control.
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Post by taz157 on May 24, 2022 8:11:02 GMT -5
Many of us are just tired of being tied down and not going anywhere. DH and I have never been bar hoppers but it gets old being home all the time, especially since both of us WFH. I’ll be going back into the office soon but not DH as his company headquarters aren’t even in this state. DD1 was soooooooo excited to go back to school this year! Having online school wasn’t all it was cracked up to be after a while even though she did well with it. She missed her friends. She missed talking to others in person besides her parents, baby sister, and her grandmother. I know the schools try their best to keep exposure down, but you can’t say for sure when you picked it up at. It’s very strange on how it affect people.
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Post by chiver78 on May 24, 2022 8:39:48 GMT -5
Many of us are just tired of being tied down and not going anywhere. DH and I have never been bar hoppers but it gets old being home all the time, especially since both of us WFH. I’ll be going back into the office soon but not DH as his company headquarters aren’t even in this state. DD1 was soooooooo excited to go back to school this year! Having online school wasn’t all it was cracked up to be after a while even though she did well with it. She missed her friends. She missed talking to others in person besides her parents, baby sister, and her grandmother. I know the schools try their best to keep exposure down, but you can’t say for sure when you picked it up at. It’s very strange on how it affect people. I used to travel, a ton. I didn't realize exactly how much it all meant to me until I was sitting in the cruise terminal last November, hoping with all my might that I would "pass" the COVID test and be allowed to board that ship. I trust science, the vaccines, and the doctors who know more than I do about how this all works. we missed our opportunity to eradicate this completely, so now we have to learn to live with it. and I intend to live my life, not stay isolated like the past 2 years. we aren't meant for that kind of isolation.
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Post by chiver78 on May 24, 2022 8:57:08 GMT -5
fan-effing-tastic. I just discovered that the paving company that did the first layer on my driveway last fall has closed. apparently the owner died last June, and they couldn't keep it going. I feel sorry for their loss of a person, but thanks for taking my deposit and doing half the job. now I need to find another company to do the top layer. no way I'll be paying the original quoted price with how prices on everything have been skyrocketing.
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Post by raeoflyte on May 24, 2022 9:11:36 GMT -5
Many of us are just tired of being tied down and not going anywhere. DH and I have never been bar hoppers but it gets old being home all the time, especially since both of us WFH. I’ll be going back into the office soon but not DH as his company headquarters aren’t even in this state. DD1 was soooooooo excited to go back to school this year! Having online school wasn’t all it was cracked up to be after a while even though she did well with it. She missed her friends. She missed talking to others in person besides her parents, baby sister, and her grandmother. I know the schools try their best to keep exposure down, but you can’t say for sure when you picked it up at. It’s very strange on how it affect people. I used to travel, a ton. I didn't realize exactly how much it all meant to me until I was sitting in the cruise terminal last November, hoping with all my might that I would "pass" the COVID test and be allowed to board that ship. I trust science, the vaccines, and the doctors who know more than I do about how this all works. we missed our opportunity to eradicate this completely, so now we have to learn to live with it. and I intend to live my life, not stay isolated like the past 2 years. we aren't meant for that kind of isolation. I don't think total eradication was ever a possibility. I read that North Korea still isn't allowing vaccines in. And the issues with China's vaccine. New Zealand was a utopia of successful lockdown in the beginning but even they couldn't keep that level up.
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Post by chiver78 on May 24, 2022 9:17:24 GMT -5
I used to travel, a ton. I didn't realize exactly how much it all meant to me until I was sitting in the cruise terminal last November, hoping with all my might that I would "pass" the COVID test and be allowed to board that ship. I trust science, the vaccines, and the doctors who know more than I do about how this all works. we missed our opportunity to eradicate this completely, so now we have to learn to live with it. and I intend to live my life, not stay isolated like the past 2 years. we aren't meant for that kind of isolation. I don't think total eradication was ever a possibility. I read that North Korea still isn't allowing vaccines in. And the issues with China's vaccine. New Zealand was a utopia of successful lockdown in the beginning but even they couldn't keep that level up. if we'd all done a complete lockdown, it was a possibility. I know it's not realistic to think the whole world could isolate like that, though.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 9:24:51 GMT -5
I used to travel, a ton. I didn't realize exactly how much it all meant to me until I was sitting in the cruise terminal last November, hoping with all my might that I would "pass" the COVID test and be allowed to board that ship. I trust science, the vaccines, and the doctors who know more than I do about how this all works. we missed our opportunity to eradicate this completely, so now we have to learn to live with it. and I intend to live my life, not stay isolated like the past 2 years. we aren't meant for that kind of isolation. I know it's a crapshoot. I'm back to masking again- minor inconvenience but potential gain- anywhere I feel at risk. Not for quick trips in and out of the Post Office but anywhere not well-ventilated, or too close for comfort around other people for more than a few minutes. I stayed off of planes for 18 months and would still rather do road trips where it's practical. But it's not 2020 anymore, thank heaven.
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Post by raeoflyte on May 24, 2022 9:33:15 GMT -5
I don't think total eradication was ever a possibility. I read that North Korea still isn't allowing vaccines in. And the issues with China's vaccine. New Zealand was a utopia of successful lockdown in the beginning but even they couldn't keep that level up. if we'd all done a complete lockdown, it was a possibility. I know it's not realistic to think the whole world could isolate like that, though. I'd say that's an argument to go back to lockdown guidelines. This article is interesting but doesn't really answer any questions. Mostly lists all the ways it can continue to change. I'm wondering what the difference in mutations are between covid and measles, polio, etc. You don't have to get re-vaccinated against those. gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 24, 2022 9:39:33 GMT -5
I don't think total eradication was ever a possibility. I read that North Korea still isn't allowing vaccines in. And the issues with China's vaccine. New Zealand was a utopia of successful lockdown in the beginning but even they couldn't keep that level up. if we'd all done a complete lockdown, it was a possibility. I know it's not realistic to think the whole world could isolate like that, though. I still think it was a slim one. Corona viruses mutate rapidly so while in theory we may have eliminated COVID-19 there was and will likely be a COVID-20 at some point. We co-exist in a tense stand off with viruses and bacteria. With modern medicine we certainly have an edge over our ancestors but evolution was going to catch up with us eventually. Expecting humans to isolate for months/years at a time every time a new virus pops up is unsustainable. I'm at the point where I am going to have to trust the vaccine works and weigh the rest of my life against infecting others. Nebraska and Iowa employers are not so forgiving anymore if you constantly call out sick for a sniffle and the schools expect my kids to attend. So we're back to "do they have a fever?" for the kids. I follow CDC guidelines for exposure and testing positive. I DO think we could have done a lot more to get us to the endemic stage and I think we could have used that handy dandy notebook Obama left behind to avoid a lot of the economic and supply problems. BUT we couldn't eliminate the virus. At some point it's going to have to be accepted it's endemic like the flu. And like the flu there are people who are going to die from it, there are people who are going to refuse to get the shot. I'm at some point going to get sick despite following all the rules. Getting the COVID shot like my flu shot will hopefully keep me from severe illness or dying but there are no assurances anymore than there is with the flu. Everyone has their own risk tolerance, which I respect. But I've accepted at this point mother nature is going to do what she gonna do. Either we are going to evolve to co-exist or it will wipe us out. I cannot live in the state of paranoid hyper-vigilance I have been in for the past two years anymore. It's taken too much of a toll on everything.
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Post by chiver78 on May 24, 2022 9:44:40 GMT -5
if we'd all done a complete lockdown, it was a possibility. I know it's not realistic to think the whole world could isolate like that, though. I'd say that's an argument to go back to lockdown guidelines. This article is interesting but doesn't really answer any questions. Mostly lists all the ways it can continue to change. I'm wondering what the difference in mutations are between covid and measles, polio, etc. You don't have to get re-vaccinated against those. gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810no, not now. we have vaccines now, that we didn't back then. I don't want to rehash the past 2y of discussion, though.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 24, 2022 9:47:51 GMT -5
if we'd all done a complete lockdown, it was a possibility. I know it's not realistic to think the whole world could isolate like that, though. I'd say that's an argument to go back to lockdown guidelines. This article is interesting but doesn't really answer any questions. Mostly lists all the ways it can continue to change. I'm wondering what the difference in mutations are between covid and measles, polio, etc. You don't have to get re-vaccinated against those. gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810Measles and polio are very slow mutating viruses and have limited reservoirs compared to coronaviruses. Because they are so slow to mutate in general one exposure is enough to infer lifetime immunity or close to it. The reservoirs for both tend to be limited as well. Polio and measles have been around long enough that we've evolved to be their main host. You vaccinate us or have enough people with natural immunity you've stopped the spread. The more they mutate the faster they can evade current defenses and makes creating a vaccine more difficult. The more hosts the more options it has to mutate and make the leap to a brand new host. See bird flu and swine flu as examples. This is why the flu shot is pretty much a guessing game when it comes to which strains to include and why they get it wrong sometimes. It's why it has been so difficult to develop an HIV vaccine. We did not eliminate polio or measles from the world by any stretch of the imagination. We are incredibly privileged not only with modern vaccines but modern sanitation processes which eliminate sources of infection like contaminated drinking water. These two diseases are still a big problem in the developing world and in the case of measles becoming one here again thanks to the anti-vaccine movement. It's only a matter of time before measles evolves enough in one of those pocket populations you see break outs elsewhere. In in regards to measles and polio there was also a rather large population of people who had it growing up that acquired natural immunity and therefore provided more cover for the herd. Also as my grandmother put it she would have walked over hot coals to get my father vaccinated against polio there wasn't any question when she knew first hand people who had died or ended up disabled from it. Now we question everything and demand our "right" to refuse, which is causing pockets of various previously "eradicated" diseases to reemerge. Interesting article on natural disease reservoirs if anyone is interested. wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/12/01-0317_article
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Post by raeoflyte on May 24, 2022 9:56:24 GMT -5
I'd say that's an argument to go back to lockdown guidelines. This article is interesting but doesn't really answer any questions. Mostly lists all the ways it can continue to change. I'm wondering what the difference in mutations are between covid and measles, polio, etc. You don't have to get re-vaccinated against those. gh.bmj.com/content/6/8/e006810Measles and polio are very slow mutating viruses and have limited reservoirs compared to coronaviruses. Because they are so slow to mutate in general one exposure is enough to infer lifetime immunity or close to it. The reservoirs for both tend to be limited as well. Polio and measles have been around long enough that we've evolved to be their main host. You vaccinate us or have enough people with natural immunity you've stopped the spread. The more they mutate the faster they can evade current defenses and makes creating a vaccine more difficult. The more hosts the more options it has to mutate and make the leap to a brand new host. See bird flu and swine flu as examples. This is why the flu shot is pretty much a guessing game when it comes to which strains to include and why they get it wrong sometimes like with swine flu. It's why it has been so difficult to develop an HIV vaccine. We did not eliminate polio or measles from the world by any stretch of the imagination. We are incredibly privileged not only with modern vaccines but modern sanitation processes which eliminate sources of infection like contaminated drinking water. These two diseases are still a big problem in the developing world and in the case of measles becoming one here again thanks to the anti-vaccine movement. It's only a matter of time before measles evolves enough in one of those pocket populations you see break outs elsewhere. In in regards to measles and polio there was also a rather large population of people who had it growing up that acquired natural immunity and therefore provided more cover for the herd. Also as my grandmother put it she would have walked over hot coals to get my father vaccinated against polio there wasn't any question when she knew first hand people who had died or ended up disabled from it. Now we question everything and demand our "right" to refuse, which is causing pockets of various previously "eradicated" diseases to reemerge. Interesting article on natural disease reservoirs if anyone is interested. wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/12/01-0317_articleFor sure. I went to school with a boy who had polio. He was adopted from India. But that we can still keep those at bay despite not having world wide protection is impressive-and depressing that we can't get the needed meds to the most vulnerable even decades later.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 24, 2022 9:59:29 GMT -5
Measles and polio are very slow mutating viruses and have limited reservoirs compared to coronaviruses. Because they are so slow to mutate in general one exposure is enough to infer lifetime immunity or close to it. The reservoirs for both tend to be limited as well. Polio and measles have been around long enough that we've evolved to be their main host. You vaccinate us or have enough people with natural immunity you've stopped the spread. The more they mutate the faster they can evade current defenses and makes creating a vaccine more difficult. The more hosts the more options it has to mutate and make the leap to a brand new host. See bird flu and swine flu as examples. This is why the flu shot is pretty much a guessing game when it comes to which strains to include and why they get it wrong sometimes like with swine flu. It's why it has been so difficult to develop an HIV vaccine. We did not eliminate polio or measles from the world by any stretch of the imagination. We are incredibly privileged not only with modern vaccines but modern sanitation processes which eliminate sources of infection like contaminated drinking water. These two diseases are still a big problem in the developing world and in the case of measles becoming one here again thanks to the anti-vaccine movement. It's only a matter of time before measles evolves enough in one of those pocket populations you see break outs elsewhere. In in regards to measles and polio there was also a rather large population of people who had it growing up that acquired natural immunity and therefore provided more cover for the herd. Also as my grandmother put it she would have walked over hot coals to get my father vaccinated against polio there wasn't any question when she knew first hand people who had died or ended up disabled from it. Now we question everything and demand our "right" to refuse, which is causing pockets of various previously "eradicated" diseases to reemerge. Interesting article on natural disease reservoirs if anyone is interested. wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/12/01-0317_articleFor sure. I went to school with a boy who had polio. He was adopted from India. But that we can still keep those at bay despite not having world wide protection is impressive-and depressing that we can't get the needed meds to the most vulnerable even decades later. Yep. That's been a major discussion for forever. A lot of different factors involved in that one. I don't disagree with the WHO when they accuse Western nations of vaccine hoarding. I also get their point about a 4th booster in Western nations when there are so many elsewhere who haven't even been able to obtain a first one.
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Post by seriousthistime on May 24, 2022 10:08:19 GMT -5
I know nothing about the science so I appreciate the advise of the experts, here and elsewhere.
It seems to me that vaccine hoarding is an issue, but also the nature of the vaccine itself makes it difficult to get to large numbers of people in rural areas like those found in Africa.
It's difficult to get general medical care to people in those areas. Getting vaccines to them is even more difficult due to transport and storage issues.
But as I say, I am not an expert.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 24, 2022 10:32:51 GMT -5
Even under Biden, the CDC has issued guidance that benefits airlines, businesses, schools, etc. I no longer trusted them.
The lack of trust began with Debra Birx and now she either has or will be writing a book. She couldn't stand up to her boss but she can make money off it.
The Iowa Department of Health had it's hands tied by the Governor.
I am sorry that people were not and are not willing to make the sacrifices that it would have taken to shut this down. Generations before us have been willing to make sacrifices for the good of the people, but we can't. We have to have everything now because we are tired of this.
My risk tolerance has not changed. I will not be getting on a plane, I don't go shopping, I never did parties and I mask whenever I do go indoors. Even if it's 5 minutes.
I have learned I can trust no one and the comments here have shown that to be true.
Thanks @pinkcshmere for bringing it up and pointing out the hypocrisy of what we saw and no one else called it out.
What you predicted is what is happening.
I have watched too many loved ones die or have long covid. I don't tolerate people well who are ready to just throw it all away because they want to have fun.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 24, 2022 10:37:26 GMT -5
I would recommend checking the hotel website or calling and asking about services that are important to you if you have a choice on where to stay. The places I have stayed up and down the east coast have had their free breakfast. Housekeeping is not daily in most US places. Last fall when I got my mom a room at a Holiday Inn, I had to fill out a card about if I wanted housekeeping. They did actually come but it had to be requested the day before. Yes, it stinks they have not lowered the price. I'm sure they would say they are trying to recover from pandemic losses. I'd rather not stay at home so I'll keep traveling. I don't generally stay long enough to feel I need new sheets and if they drop off new towels and take garbage that's good enough for me. I REALLY don’t want to be an asshole, but as much as I enjoy chatting with The Walk of the Penguin Mich , her latest trip is exactly why I’m still afraid to be out and about or travel. Aside from whatever other activities with or after being exposed to her sister, knowing sister had COVID, Mich and her DH got on an airplane to fly home knowing that they had been exposed to the virus. Most posters here have been very critical of people that didn’t/don’t do what’s reasonably within their power to avoid spreading COVID. Are we going to let all that slide because it’s someone we “know” and like? I’m asking for some friends and family. I agree with Pink 100% on this. 100%
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Post by azucena on May 24, 2022 10:39:53 GMT -5
To add to the shitshow that is my job, my sale partner is being tapped for another role running complex projects and has already begun transitioning clients. We'll go from having 15 out of my 16 clients in common to only sharing 4. The other 11 will be split out amongst 3 other sales people who together aren't as good as her. This blows.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 24, 2022 10:41:32 GMT -5
Even under Biden, the CDC has issued guidance that benefits airlines, businesses, schools, etc. I no longer trusted them. The lack of trust began with Debra Birx and now she either has or will be writing a book. She couldn't stand up to her boss but she can make money off it. The Iowa Department of Health had it's hands tied by the Governor. I am sorry that people were not and are not willing to make the sacrifices that it would have taken to shut this down. Generations before us have been willing to make sacrifices for the good of the people, but we can't. We have to have everything now because we are tired of this.
My risk tolerance has not changed. I will not be getting on a plane, I don't go shopping, I never did parties and I mask whenever I do go indoors. Even if it's 5 minutes. I have learned I can trust no one and the comments here have shown that to be true. Thanks @pinkcshmere for bringing it up and pointing out the hypocrisy of what we saw and no one else called it out. What you predicted is what is happening. I have watched too many loved ones die or have long covid. I don't tolerate people well who are ready to just throw it all away because they want to have fun. Actually the anti-vaccine movement goes back to when vaccines first arrived on the scene. There was actually quite a bit of pushback on the smallpox vaccine at the time. But back then you were pretty limited in your scope and ability to reach others. With the advent of the internet I have an entire world's worth of converts at my fingertips. I'm not saying right now isn't a particularly bad time in history, it absolutely is. I'm also not saying we've never come together as a nation, we have. I'm just saying this idea that we were always a harmonious nation doing what is best for others until 2020 is not true. We happen to be in a period of rapid change. I read a meme that said we've experienced 10 years of history crammed into 1.5 years. We don't do ourselves any good by wishing for a history that does not exist. You'd also be incredibly horrified to find out how many medical professionals out there still think washing their hands is a waste of time. I so did not need to take that seminar at the hospital about compliance. I'm just going to will myself to never get sick.
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Post by TheOtherMe on May 24, 2022 10:47:59 GMT -5
I have not thought we were harmonious as a nation until 2020.
I don't think we have been harmonious as a nation in my lifetime as I remember well the division over the Viet Nam War.
It was said out loud when a black man dared to run for and be elected president. It's gotten worse every day since his election.
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