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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 27, 2022 12:00:20 GMT -5
he is a dangerous man, and this is a dangerous takeover.
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Post by happyhoix on Apr 27, 2022 12:40:43 GMT -5
Yeah but how many people are actually using Twitter, compared to social media like Facebook?
And how many people will leave it because they don’t like Musk or his politics?
Will it become like Fox, adored by a certain percentage of the population and distrusted by the rest?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 27, 2022 13:13:16 GMT -5
Yeah but how many people are actually using Twitter, compared to social media like Facebook? And how many people will leave it because they don’t like Musk or his politics? Will it become like Fox, adored by a certain percentage of the population and distrusted by the rest? Twitter is 200M -vs- 2900M for FB. so, roughly 15x as much. the problem is that Twitter is populated by influencers. lots of folk jumping ship since the takeover: www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/twitter-deactivations-elon-musks-takeover-1235136168/
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 27, 2022 15:10:02 GMT -5
Yeah but how many people are actually using Twitter, compared to social media like Facebook? And how many people will leave it because they don’t like Musk or his politics? Will it become like Fox, adored by a certain percentage of the population and distrusted by the rest? Twitter is 200M -vs- 2900M for FB. so, roughly 15x as much. the problem is that Twitter is populated by influencers. lots of folk jumping ship since the takeover: www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/twitter-deactivations-elon-musks-takeover-1235136168/I'm not surprised at all. I think he thinks he is invicible with the success of paypal, tesla, and spacex. I think this could be a big fail for him. Hopefully.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 27, 2022 15:12:22 GMT -5
I'm not surprised at all. I think he thinks he is invicible with the success of paypal, tesla, and spacex. I think this could be a big fail for him. Hopefully. it is really bad to mix politics and business. he is making one of the most fundamental errors in trade. now, he might get lucky. he has been very lucky so far. but it is also possible that this is the highwater mark for Twitter.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 27, 2022 15:18:51 GMT -5
I'm not surprised at all. I think he thinks he is invicible with the success of paypal, tesla, and spacex. I think this could be a big fail for him. Hopefully. it is really bad to mix politics and business. he is making one of the most fundamental errors in trade. now, he might get lucky. he has been very lucky so far. but it is also possible that this is the highwater mark for Twitter. he's been very polarizing, but when he buys twitter, that polarization will result not in people arguing a point, but just leaving. I think he should have stayed focused on tech/engineering and not venture into tech/media. I really don't think it's his strong suit. If he does deliver twitter to trump, will be very interesting to see ho that plays out in terms of alternate social media platforms gaining ground. I don't think they fall into the truth social abyss either! super pissing me off! because my retirment depends on tesla, and that has taken a dive into the toilet as all the tesla people thinking - what the fucka shit - to quote my late FIL
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Post by Opti on Apr 27, 2022 15:37:42 GMT -5
it is really bad to mix politics and business. he is making one of the most fundamental errors in trade. now, he might get lucky. he has been very lucky so far. but it is also possible that this is the highwater mark for Twitter. he's been very polarizing, but when he buys twitter, that polarization will result not in people arguing a point, but just leaving. I think he should have stayed focused on tech/engineering and not venture into tech/media. I really don't think it's his strong suit. If he does deliver twitter to trump, will be very interesting to see ho that plays out in terms of alternate social media platforms gaining ground. I don't think they fall into the truth social abyss either! super pissing me off! because my retirment depends on tesla, and that has taken a dive into the toilet as all the tesla people thinking - what the fucka shit - to quote my late FIL I read part of the reason Telsa stock dropped is many believe he will cash out $21 billion in Tesla stock to do the Twitter deal. I don't think this was a good decision for him either.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 27, 2022 16:28:54 GMT -5
he's been very polarizing, but when he buys twitter, that polarization will result not in people arguing a point, but just leaving. I think he should have stayed focused on tech/engineering and not venture into tech/media. I really don't think it's his strong suit. If he does deliver twitter to trump, will be very interesting to see ho that plays out in terms of alternate social media platforms gaining ground. I don't think they fall into the truth social abyss either! super pissing me off! because my retirment depends on tesla, and that has taken a dive into the toilet as all the tesla people thinking - what the fucka shit - to quote my late FIL I read part of the reason Telsa stock dropped is many believe he will cash out $21 billion in Tesla stock to do the Twitter deal. I don't think this was a good decision for him either. he is busy thinking about legacy about 20 years early. another mistake.
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Post by laterbloomer on Apr 27, 2022 19:17:55 GMT -5
Yeah but how many people are actually using Twitter, compared to social media like Facebook? And how many people will leave it because they don’t like Musk or his politics? Will it become like Fox, adored by a certain percentage of the population and distrusted by the rest? Twitter is 200M -vs- 2900M for FB. so, roughly 15x as much. the problem is that Twitter is populated by influencers. lots of folk jumping ship since the takeover: www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/twitter-deactivations-elon-musks-takeover-1235136168/It's not that clean cut. I'm not a big Twitter user but I know what gets posted there because it's copied and reported everywhere else. Please God don't give back his megaphone.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 27, 2022 19:34:51 GMT -5
It's not that clean cut. I'm not a big Twitter user but I know what gets posted there because it's copied and reported everywhere else. Please God don't give back his megaphone. that might happen. and yes, that would be very unfortunate. when i said "influencers", that includes journalists. not just meme inventors and youtube celebs.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Apr 27, 2022 21:39:56 GMT -5
I think it's great. As a capitalist, I hope he makes money. And if he doesn't, he can take the loss on his taxes. That's how capitalism works. I've never looked at Twitter or have a account.
From what I've heard it was just a bunch of liberals trying to cancel out the conservative voice. And hmmm...I don't recall much moaning and hand wringing when Jeff Bezos bought that NY newspaper.
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Post by Opti on Apr 27, 2022 22:00:56 GMT -5
I think it's great. As a capitalist, I hope he makes money. And if he doesn't, he can take the loss on his taxes. That's how capitalism works. I've never looked at Twitter or have a account.
From what I've heard it was just a bunch of liberals trying to cancel out the conservative voice. And hmmm...I don't recall much moaning and hand wringing when Jeff Bezos bought that NY newspaper.
You don't find it sad and pathetic that some people believe that conservative voices can only exist if they are lying?
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Apr 27, 2022 23:32:10 GMT -5
I think it's great. As a capitalist, I hope he makes money. And if he doesn't, he can take the loss on his taxes. That's how capitalism works. I've never looked at Twitter or have a account.
From what I've heard it was just a bunch of liberals trying to cancel out the conservative voice. And hmmm...I don't recall much moaning and hand wringing when Jeff Bezos bought that NY newspaper.
You don't find it sad and pathetic that some people believe that conservative voices can only exist if they are lying? Back at ya. Don't you find it sad and pathetic that some people believe that liberal voices can only exist if they are lying?
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Post by dondub on Apr 28, 2022 1:04:43 GMT -5
You don't find it sad and pathetic that some people believe that conservative voices can only exist if they are lying? Back at ya. Don't you find it sad and pathetic that some people believe that liberal voices can only exist if they are lying? You’re lying. Bezos bought the Washington Post. Last time I checked it was still in Washington D.C.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 28, 2022 6:05:31 GMT -5
You don't find it sad and pathetic that some people believe that conservative voices can only exist if they are lying? Back at ya. Don't you find it sad and pathetic that some people believe that liberal voices can only exist if they are lying? Let’s see if you can tell the truth. Who won the 2020 election? Was there voter fraud?
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Post by Opti on Apr 28, 2022 8:23:50 GMT -5
You don't find it sad and pathetic that some people believe that conservative voices can only exist if they are lying? Back at ya. Don't you find it sad and pathetic that some people believe that liberal voices can only exist if they are lying? People who lie deserve canceling on social media. If most of current conservative thought can't make their opinions known without lying perhaps they should look in the mirror instead of whining about being "canceled". I am tired of the lies about the 2020 election among other things. Those independent and liberal users that lie should be removed too. Back at ya.
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Post by Opti on Apr 28, 2022 9:40:35 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/after-no-insult-pact-elon-musk-appears-to-mock-twitter-and-its-policy-chief-with-a-joe-rogan-meme-and-says-the-platform-has-to-be-politically-neutral/ar-AAWGimV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ae393d611061443baf6b71bfc5968b66Elon tweeted a Joe Rogan meme which doesn't feel like the best way to claim you want political neutrality. If you scroll down in the article, there is a Fox & Friends clip about this. One of them repeats what a conservative poster said, stating that Twitter is the public square for political debate. I wonder how many people agree with that. I am not on FB or Twitter. I personally do not think there is one place for political debate. With Twitter having just over 79 million US users and probably over 300 million FB US users it seems weird to me to see Twitter as number 1 in that space. While viral videos might be picked up by usual media from regular folks, Tweets mentioned are almost always famous people/politicians. That's not debate IMO. As a non-Twitter user, I can read at most two to three replies to a Tweet. I see Twitter as a place where politicians and famous people communicate out their thoughts without doing press releases like they used to. No need to go on shows or speak to newspapers to get their thoughts out, now they just Tweet.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 28, 2022 10:31:34 GMT -5
Back at ya. Don't you find it sad and pathetic that some people believe that liberal voices can only exist if they are lying? Let’s see if you can tell the truth. Who won the 2020 election? Was there voter fraud?
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Post by bean29 on Apr 28, 2022 10:57:57 GMT -5
I'm not surprised at all. I think he thinks he is invicible with the success of paypal, tesla, and spacex. I think this could be a big fail for him. Hopefully. Is your Tesla stock at risk at all? Will the fact that he pledged his stock to buy Twitter have any affect on the stock price? I get push notifications about Twitter comments, but I have a hard time following issues on Twitter. I really don't like it and would not be sad if it went away entirely.
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Post by bean29 on Apr 28, 2022 11:01:04 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/after-no-insult-pact-elon-musk-appears-to-mock-twitter-and-its-policy-chief-with-a-joe-rogan-meme-and-says-the-platform-has-to-be-politically-neutral/ar-AAWGimV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ae393d611061443baf6b71bfc5968b66Elon tweeted a Joe Rogan meme which doesn't feel like the best way to claim you want political neutrality. If you scroll down in the article, there is a Fox & Friends clip about this. One of them repeats what a conservative poster said, stating that Twitter is the public square for political debate. I wonder how many people agree with that. I am not on FB or Twitter. I personally do not think there is one place for political debate. With Twitter having just over 79 million US users and probably over 300 million FB US users it seems weird to me to see Twitter as number 1 in that space. While viral videos might be picked up by usual media from regular folks, Tweets mentioned are almost always famous people/politicians. That's not debate IMO. As a non-Twitter user, I can read at most two to three replies to a Tweet. I see Twitter as a place where politicians and famous people communicate out their thoughts without doing press releases like they used to. No need to go on shows or speak to newspapers to get their thoughts out, now they just Tweet. I think your assessment is probably right on, and about how much value I place on Twitter. You are not getting full information on a subject like you would from a news article. I really regard it as pretty useless. Politicians probably love it b/c they can put there position out there and they don't have to answer to their constituents.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2022 12:05:20 GMT -5
I think it's great. As a capitalist, I hope he makes money. And if he doesn't, he can take the loss on his taxes. That's how capitalism works. I've never looked at Twitter or have a account.
From what I've heard it was just a bunch of liberals trying to cancel out the conservative voice. And hmmm...I don't recall much moaning and hand wringing when Jeff Bezos bought that NY newspaper.
word of advice for you. stop saying this in your posts. i think Twitter is far more critical in politics than the WP. if you don't understand that, i would suggest you think about it more.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2022 12:26:00 GMT -5
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 28, 2022 12:28:30 GMT -5
I'm not surprised at all. I think he thinks he is invicible with the success of paypal, tesla, and spacex. I think this could be a big fail for him. Hopefully. Is your Tesla stock at risk at all? Will the fact that he pledged his stock to buy Twitter have any affect on the stock price? I get push notifications about Twitter comments, but I have a hard time following issues on Twitter. I really don't like it and would not be sad if it went away entirely. tesla stock plunged. over 10% yesterday, was down over 5% more today, but it had edged up since this morning, but still down. If he sells that much, I expect the stock price to be pretty rocky until equilibrium is established. Honestly, I might buy some more
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Apr 28, 2022 12:33:28 GMT -5
now, the other thing that occurred to me last night, is that I would not put it past musk for this to be a huge grand standing thought exercise that he has no intention on following through on. I think he loves to jerk around the tesla stock price, he's been sanctioned by the SEC, and then crossed the line a few more times. He can't tweet things that are going to impact the price of testla stock directly, tweet about tesla. Well how about this now? Tesla stock swinging wildly - but I don't think the SEC could touch him on this for tesla.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2022 12:56:09 GMT -5
this might seem pleasing enough to most people, but i find this quote quite disturbing:
"This is not a way to make money," Musk said. "My strong intuitive sense is that having a public platform that is maximally trusted and broadly inclusive is extremely important to the future of civilization."
1) this is a public corporation. if you are not in it to make money, you should not be running it. sorry, but this level of "idealism" is absolutely wrongheaded in terms of business. this is an inversion of good capitalism.
2) the platform is already maximally trusted. by taking over and allowing racists, homophobes, and bigots to post on it, you will drive away free speech.
i think #2 is a serious problem on the right. what they call "inclusivitity" is speech that vilifies and diminishes the contributions of others. it has no place in public discourse at all. and since Twitter is a private entity, they can ENFORCE that. what Musk is proposing- this "hands off" approach- will DECREASE open discourse by exposing people to an environment which is full of abuse and hatred.
free speech advocates don't owe anything to hatred or incitement. it is not protected by the first amendment. nor should it be.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2022 13:26:20 GMT -5
I think it's great. As a capitalist, I hope he makes money. "This is not a way to make money," Musk said. you and i actually AGREE on this, rip. that SHOULD be his objective. but it isn't. the WP move, on the other hand, was designed to make money- and it has. the WP is far more successful under Bezos than it was previously. so, by THIS standard, you should be condemning the Twitter takeover, and praising the takeover of the WP. i breathlessly await your concurrence.
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Post by dondub on Apr 28, 2022 13:59:18 GMT -5
I think it's great. As a capitalist, I hope he makes money. "This is not a way to make money," Musk said. you and i actually AGREE on this, rip. that SHOULD be his objective. but it isn't. the WP move, on the other hand, was designed to make money- and it has. the WP is far more successful under Bezos than it was previously. so, by THIS standard, you should be condemning the Twitter takeover, and praising the takeover of the WP. i breathlessly await your concurrence. Is your face blue yet?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2022 14:01:18 GMT -5
"This is not a way to make money," Musk said. you and i actually AGREE on this, rip. that SHOULD be his objective. but it isn't. the WP move, on the other hand, was designed to make money- and it has. the WP is far more successful under Bezos than it was previously. so, by THIS standard, you should be condemning the Twitter takeover, and praising the takeover of the WP. i breathlessly await your concurrence. Is your face blue yet? isn't there a tombstone emoji?
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