Tx. woman faces murder charges...

[kadee79]

But for what?.................And so it begins!!!!!!!!!!!!

RIO GRANDE CITY, Texas -- A 26-year-old woman has been charged with murder in Texas after authorities said she caused “the death of an individual by self-induced abortion,” in a state that has the most restrictive abortion laws in the U.S.

It’s unclear whether Lizelle Herrera is accused of having an abortion or whether she helped someone else get an abortion.

Herrera was arrested Thursday and remained jailed Saturday on a $500,000 bond in the Starr County jail in Rio Grande City, on the U.S.-Mexico border, sheriff's Maj. Carlos Delgado said in a statement.

“Herrera was arrested and served with an indictment on the charge of Murder after Herrera did then and there intentionally and knowingly cause the death of an individual by self-induced abortion,” Delgado said.

Delgado did not say under what law Herrera has been charged. He said no other information will be released until at least Monday because the case remains under investigation.

abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/woman-faces-texas-murder-charge-induced-abortion-83982115#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16495346931661&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FHealth%2FwireStory%2Fwoman-faces-texas-murder-charge-induced-abortion-83982115

[Opti]

Not sure I want to look for the article, but one I read said she was in the hospital for a miscarriage. She spoke to someone and it is believed that person reported her. 

[kadee79]

Apr 9, 2022 17:43:49 GMT -5 Opti said:

Not sure I want to look for the article, but one I read said she was in the hospital for a miscarriage. She spoke to someone and it is believed that person reported her. 

I haven't seen anything like that, but here is another article with about the same info as the first link I posted...


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-woman-charged-with-murder-after-abortion/ar-AAW2ZLk?ocid=msedgdhp&li=BBnb7Kz


And at this point, there also doesn't seem to be any law where they can arrest her for murder.  That Tx. law is not for criminal charges and there are exceptions to other laws.  

[kadee79]

[happyhoix]

Just how do you prove someone lost a baby through their own actions or through a miscarriage?

If a woman has a glass of wine and a soak in the hot tub before she knows she’s pregnant, then has a miscarriage, can they arrest her for maybe possibly causing the miscarriage?

I have so doubt Texas will try.

[happyhoix]

The case that caused Ireland to abandon their fetal heart beat law was a woman who started to have a miscarriage, but it took days before the fetal heart beat stopped so they could do the D and C you do post miscarriage. During that prolonged period she developed septis and ended up dying. Not from trying to obtain an abortion but because the miscarriage took so long to happen.

This is what happens when non medical governmental people who don’t understand how common miscarriages are, or the medical ramifications of having a miscarriage.

It was enough for Ireland to abandon that particular law. Now we have states with mostly male politicians trying to impose that kind of law here.

These cases are going to be lightening rods to spur voters, but maybe not the voters think the GOP thinks.

[haapai]

This is terrifying to someone who knows a bit of Spanish.  But since my Spanish was always rudimentary and is now very rusty, someone else will have to explain what "los abortos espontaneo" means and whether this expression is still used in the US and Mexico. 

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 10, 2022 16:04:59 GMT -5 haapai said:

This is terrifying to someone who knows a bit of Spanish.  But since my Spanish was always rudimentary and is now very rusty, someone else will have to explain what "los abortos espontaneo" means and whether this expression is still used in the US and Mexico. 

It means a spontaneous abortion. It is the medical term for miscarriage

[kadee79]

It's going to be dropped.  Guess they didn't like the bad PR they were getting from this mess....
This is the whole snippet.

RIO GRANDE CITY, Texas — A Texas district attorney said Sunday that he will ask a judge to dismiss a murder charge against a woman who allegedly gave herself an abortion.

Lizelle Herrera was arrested Thursday in Rio Grande City, a community of about 14,000 people along the Mexico border, after a Starr County grand jury indicted her on March 30 for murder for causing the death of a fetus or embryo through a self-induced abortion.

District Attorney Gocha Allen Ramirez said Sunday that his office would move to dismiss the charge Monday.

“In reviewing this case, it is clear that Ms. Herrera cannot and should not be prosecuted for the allegation against her,” Ramirez said in a statement.

Herrera has been jailed on a $500,000 bond in the Starr County jail in Rio Grande City, on the U.S.-Mexico border, sheriff’s Maj. Carlos Delgado said in a statement Saturday.

“Herrera was arrested and served with an indictment on the charge of Murder after Herrera did then and there intentionally and knowingly cause the death of an individual by self-induced abortion,” Delgado said.

A 2021 state law that bans abortions in Texas for women who are as early as six weeks pregnant has sharply curtailed the number of abortions in the state. The law leaves enforcement to private citizens who can sue doctors or anyone who helps a woman get an abortion. The woman receiving the abortion is exempted from the law.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-da-says-murder-charge-in-abortion-case-will-be-dropped/ar-AAW4iYp?ocid=msedgdhp&li=BBnb7Kz

[haapai]

Apr 10, 2022 16:07:12 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Apr 10, 2022 16:04:59 GMT -5 haapai said:

This is terrifying to someone who knows a bit of Spanish.  But since my Spanish was always rudimentary and is now very rusty, someone else will have to explain what "los abortos espontaneo" means and whether this expression is still used in the US and Mexico. 

It means a spontaneous abortion. It is the medical term for miscarriage

Yes, I know that much.  But I also remember being taught that "aborto" was the word for both miscarriages and abortions.  It's not hard for me to imagine someone describing a miscarriage in Spanish and someone thinking that they were describing an induced abortion. 

It's an easy thing to botch. 

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 10, 2022 16:25:13 GMT -5 haapai said:

Apr 10, 2022 16:07:12 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It means a spontaneous abortion. It is the medical term for miscarriage

Yes, I know that much.  But I also remember being taught that "aborto" was the word for both miscarriages and abortions.  It's not hard for me to imagine someone describing a miscarriage in Spanish and someone thinking that they were describing an induced abortion. 

It's an easy thing to botch. 

Happens in English as the correct medical terminology is spontaneous abortion. I would not be surprised if a non-medical person in a hospital inadvertently overheard a conversation between medical personnel describing a spontaneous abortion and bringing it to the da in some of these southern states. To have a miscarriage and then go through this in unconscionable. I cannot fathom how these people can believe they are good people

[justme]

I hope she has several lawyers stepping up to sue the pants off anyone involved.

[countrygirl2]

That's what hubs and I said, bet there is a big law suit over that and should be.

If they are considering fetuses people, lots of things go with that, child support, and many other issues, they have opened a can of worms.

Wait until it involves some wealthy woman, bet you see things changed.

[happyhoix]

I don’t like these laws that encourage citizens to narc on each other. Sure you should report your neighbor who keeps a closet full of weapons and who tells you his German Shepard keeps telling him to murder all the Mexicans, or the guy that beats his kids or wife or dog. But this law encourages people to report women who might have had an abortion- and how many miscarriages or plain weight loss might get reported by over zealous reporters. Same with the Florida don’t say gay law that encourages parents to sue the school board if little Jimmy shares photos with his first grade class of his trip to Disney with his two daddies and some Karen thinks that’s ‘grooming.’

[Opti]

Charges were dropped according to this article-


www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-was-a-texas-woman-charged-with-murder-over-an-abortion/ar-AAW6HB0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=093b79675b73401590a45ccecd589f22

Prosecutors dropped murder charges on Sunday against a 26-year-old south Texas woman over an alleged “self-induced abortion,” admitting that she had not committed a crime. But her case is an example of the lengths to which red states are willing to go to restrict abortion access — and abortion advocates worry it could have a chilling effect on pregnant people seeking medical care in Texas.

The woman was indicted in March after she miscarried and allegedly told staff at a Starr County hospital that she had tried to induce her own abortion. The staff then reported her to the police. It’s not clear how long she had been pregnant or how she sought to induce an abortion. (Her attorney could not be reached for comment on Monday.)