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Post by tallguy on Apr 8, 2022 15:34:11 GMT -5
If there is anyone here who should be used to an avalanche of ridicule....
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 13, 2022 8:48:18 GMT -5
if you want to make a case that Democrats don't give a crap about this non-issue, then be my guest. i won't argue with you. but if you start waving around dog whistles like "racist" and "open borders", you can just move off to another board OR accept the well earned avalanche of ridicule that will attend it. I am not the one crying "racist" here on the boards. it is the left of center posters attacking the few right of center posters here.
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Post by bean29 on Apr 13, 2022 11:17:02 GMT -5
if you want to make a case that Democrats don't give a crap about this non-issue, then be my guest. i won't argue with you. but if you start waving around dog whistles like "racist" and "open borders", you can just move off to another board OR accept the well earned avalanche of ridicule that will attend it. So you don't think the Republican Anti-Immigration thing is based in Racism? If it isn't largely racism, then why let TFG yammer on an on "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," Trump said. “They're not sending you…They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists." Republicans have always had a lot of Closet Racists in the party. Now they are out in the open and Gaining more and more followers. How do they prove the "Illegals" are "Illegal", who gets to make that determination? Is putting them on a bus equivalent to a false arrest? What Authority do they have to bus them somewhere else, and what recourse do those individuals have?
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Post by Opti on Apr 13, 2022 13:23:41 GMT -5
Interesting. Looks like Governor Abbott might be doing a catch and release program instead of anything to address the crisis. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/migrants-arrive-in-d-c-on-buses-sent-by-gop-texas-gov-greg-abbott/ar-AAWbyl4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=04459f13f9964c0ca47a0a2a7641bd35WASHINGTON — A group of undocumented migrants arrived in the nation's capital Wednesday on a bus sent by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, as part of the Republican governor's strategy to oppose the Biden administration rescinding a Trump-era border policy.
The migrants, from Columbia, Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, were dropped off between Union Station and the Capitol building as "part of Governor Abbott’s response to the Biden Administration’s decision to end Title 42 expulsions," his office said.
It's unclear how many migrants were on the bus that came Wednesday morning and where they went after arriving in D.C.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 13, 2022 13:40:05 GMT -5
if you want to make a case that Democrats don't give a crap about this non-issue, then be my guest. i won't argue with you. but if you start waving around dog whistles like "racist" and "open borders", you can just move off to another board OR accept the well earned avalanche of ridicule that will attend it. So you don't think the Republican Anti-Immigration thing is based in Racism? If it isn't largely racism, then why let TFG yammer on an on "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," Trump said. “They're not sending you…They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists." Republicans have always had a lot of Closet Racists in the party. Now they are out in the open and Gaining more and more followers. How do they prove the "Illegals" are "Illegal", who gets to make that determination? Is putting them on a bus equivalent to a false arrest? What Authority do they have to bus them somewhere else, and what recourse do those individuals have? i was talking about Democrats, and the non-existent "crisis" at the border.
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 13, 2022 16:23:23 GMT -5
if you want to make a case that Democrats don't give a crap about this non-issue, then be my guest. i won't argue with you. but if you start waving around dog whistles like "racist" and "open borders", you can just move off to another board OR accept the well earned avalanche of ridicule that will attend it. I am not the one crying "racist" here on the boards. it is the left of center posters attacking the few right of center posters here. Its not attacking, its calling people out for being racists. If it walks like a duck.... All of the bullshit that is ever spewed about illegals is in regards to BROWN/BLACK illegals. Nothing is every said about the illegals that fly here from Asian or Eastern European countries. The whole immigration argument is absolutely DRENCHED in racism. Its a way for poor white rednecks to feel like they are better than someone else.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 13, 2022 22:14:39 GMT -5
I am not the one crying "racist" here on the boards. it is the left of center posters attacking the few right of center posters here. Its not attacking, its calling people out for being racists. If it walks like a duck.... All of the bullshit that is ever spewed about illegals is in regards to BROWN/BLACK illegals. Nothing is every said about the illegals that fly here from Asian or Eastern European countries. The whole immigration argument is absolutely DRENCHED in racism. Its a way for poor white rednecks to feel like they are better than someone else. Please remember your Asian and eastern European migrants come over legally via airplanes. The problem is they do not leave when there visas are up. Whole different ball of wax. I say round them up and send them back! Bet you will not say the same thing about brown /black illegals. So who is really a racist here?
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Post by dondub on Apr 13, 2022 22:23:34 GMT -5
Its not attacking, its calling people out for being racists. If it walks like a duck.... All of the bullshit that is ever spewed about illegals is in regards to BROWN/BLACK illegals. Nothing is every said about the illegals that fly here from Asian or Eastern European countries. The whole immigration argument is absolutely DRENCHED in racism. Its a way for poor white rednecks to feel like they are better than someone else. Please remember your Asian and eastern European migrants come over legally via airplanes. The problem is they do not leave when there visas are up. Whole different ball of wax. I say round them up and send them back! Bet you will not say the same thing about brown /black illegals. So who is really a racist here? Trump!
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 13, 2022 22:23:51 GMT -5
The problem can be solved with immigration reform, a guest worker program, and truly enforcing the employment laws by seriously fining businesses that employ migrants. Republicans like to rail against the migrants, but are not serious about enforcement. So yes, we believe is t is all racist.
When Republicans can stop their dog-whistling on this subject to get the racist votes we will solve the problem
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Apr 13, 2022 23:26:11 GMT -5
I am not the one crying "racist" here on the boards. it is the left of center posters attacking the few right of center posters here. Its not attacking, its calling people out for being racists. If it walks like a duck.... All of the bullshit that is ever spewed about illegals is in regards to BROWN/BLACK illegals. Nothing is every said about the illegals that fly here from Asian or Eastern European countries. The whole immigration argument is absolutely DRENCHED in racism. Its a way for poor white rednecks to feel like they are better than someone else. What is so racist about wanting secure borders. Don't you lock your doors at home to keep yourself safe at night when you sleep? Isn't that racist?? Go watch the 1984 movie Red Dawn with Patrick Swazye. Quite a parallel if you ask me on our southern border crisis. And yes it is a crisis. As to "illegals flying in from Asia or Eastern European countries", on all foreign flights into the US you have to go thru immigration and show your ID and or passport upon your arrival in the US to leave the airport and go elsewhere like I had to coming back from a vacation 15yrs ago.
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Post by dondub on Apr 14, 2022 0:08:47 GMT -5
Its not attacking, its calling people out for being racists. If it walks like a duck.... All of the bullshit that is ever spewed about illegals is in regards to BROWN/BLACK illegals. Nothing is every said about the illegals that fly here from Asian or Eastern European countries. The whole immigration argument is absolutely DRENCHED in racism. Its a way for poor white rednecks to feel like they are better than someone else. What is so racist about wanting secure borders. Don't you lock your doors at home to keep yourself safe at night when you sleep? Isn't that racist?? Go watch the 1984 movie Red Dawn with Patrick Swazye. Quite a parallel if you ask me on our southern border crisis. And yes it is a crisis. As to "illegals flying in from Asia or Eastern European countries", on all foreign flights into the US you have to go thru immigration and show your ID and or passport upon your arrival in the US to leave the airport and go elsewhere like I had to coming back from a vacation 15yrs ago.
60% of the illegals fly in with credentials to get through that checkpoint. When their visas expire they are in the wind. Your hero doesn’t come out and call them rapists and criminals. And you think the other 40%, hired by Repo-con farmers and ranchers and orchard it’s are the real crisis. Your math skills suck.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 14, 2022 0:39:18 GMT -5
I am not the one crying "racist" here on the boards. it is the left of center posters attacking the few right of center posters here. Its not attacking, its calling people out for being racists. If it walks like a duck.... All of the bullshit that is ever spewed about illegals is in regards to BROWN/BLACK illegals. Nothing is every said about the illegals that fly here from Asian or Eastern European countries. The whole immigration argument is absolutely DRENCHED in racism. Its a way for poor white rednecks to feel like they are better than someone else. candidly, i think it is less than half about racism. the other thing it is about is a massive sense of inferiority and entitlement. those things are often mistaken for racism, but they are different. if you KNOW in your heart of hearts that you are UNQUALIFIED for a position that a brown man or woman might fill, you are not a racist. you are just a xenophobic privileged paranoid lazy asshole.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 14, 2022 0:42:57 GMT -5
What is so racist about wanting secure borders. Don't you lock your doors at home to keep yourself safe at night when you sleep? Isn't that racist?? Go watch the 1984 movie Red Dawn with Patrick Swazye. Quite a parallel if you ask me on our southern border crisis. And yes it is a crisis. As to "illegals flying in from Asia or Eastern European countries", on all foreign flights into the US you have to go thru immigration and show your ID and or passport upon your arrival in the US to leave the airport and go elsewhere like I had to coming back from a vacation 15yrs ago.
60% of the illegals fly in with credentials to get through that checkpoint. When their visas expire they are in the wind. Your hero doesn’t come out and call them rapists and criminals. And you think the other 40%, hired by Repo-con farmers and ranchers and orchard it’s are the real crisis. Your math skills suck. and AGAIN...... after peaking at over 6% in 1998, the NET MIGRATION RATE has been in steady decline....FOR TWENTY FIVE YEARS. there is no "border crisis". it is 100% pure bullshit manufactured by ?. quick PERSONAL aside: there is nothing worse for ME than being caught repeating a lie that i didn't know was a lie. the shame of being ignorant of the facts is painful and unbearable for me. so i am rather religious about ascertaining fact. how can so many blithely repeat shit that is simply untrue? i don't get it.
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Post by azucena on Apr 14, 2022 2:41:53 GMT -5
Can you provide a source for that pls? I apologize if you've done so in the past bc I missed it. I particularly like facts involving numbers
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Post by tallguy on Apr 14, 2022 3:01:40 GMT -5
60% of the illegals fly in with credentials to get through that checkpoint. When their visas expire they are in the wind. Your hero doesn’t come out and call them rapists and criminals. And you think the other 40%, hired by Repo-con farmers and ranchers and orchard it’s are the real crisis. Your math skills suck. and AGAIN...... after peaking at over 6% in 1998, the NET MIGRATION RATE has been in steady decline....FOR TWENTY FIVE YEARS. there is no "border crisis". it is 100% pure bullshit manufactured by ?. quick PERSONAL aside: there is nothing worse for ME than being caught repeating a lie that i didn't know was a lie. the shame of being ignorant of the facts is painful and unbearable for me. so i am rather religious about ascertaining fact. how can so many blithely repeat shit that is simply untrue? i don't get it.Because truth doesn't serve their interests. It is much easier to monetize or otherwise capitalize on the right lie. You know this. Or were you talking about posters here, in which case it could be discomfiting to examine their own beliefs, delusion that they don't need to, or...they're just trolling.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 14, 2022 9:21:09 GMT -5
Its not attacking, its calling people out for being racists. If it walks like a duck.... All of the bullshit that is ever spewed about illegals is in regards to BROWN/BLACK illegals. Nothing is every said about the illegals that fly here from Asian or Eastern European countries. The whole immigration argument is absolutely DRENCHED in racism. Its a way for poor white rednecks to feel like they are better than someone else. Please remember your Asian and eastern European migrants come over legally via airplanes. The problem is they do not leave when there visas are up. Whole different ball of wax. I say round them up and send them back! Bet you will not say the same thing about brown /black illegals. So who is really a racist here? Do you not live in the USA anymore? Please say yes.
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Post by swamp on Apr 14, 2022 10:01:36 GMT -5
I have a friend whose parents are legal Irish immigrants. The parents are both from very large (10+) kids. A whole pile of his cousins are here illegally from Ireland and are working in NYC. No one calls their pasty white asses rapists and drug dealers.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 14, 2022 10:22:06 GMT -5
More importantly, no one assumes the are illegals. But brown people born here are told to go back to their country. Let's not pretend these people are not racists.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 14, 2022 11:08:50 GMT -5
Let's divert and investigate kurshner and trump who held middle eastern hostage till he got something like $6 billion to pay on debts he owed. Seems like that is more important. Pretty corrupt, and trump taking classified and top secret documents and all the repubs that are fraudulent voters. They have so much wrong doing something new could come out daily.
The democrats need to play dirty pool like the repubs, bring up all kinds of crap, but no, we try to be factual, why the ignorant fox news watchers won't know the difference. Lie like they do.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 14, 2022 14:49:39 GMT -5
Please remember your Asian and eastern European migrants come over legally via airplanes. The problem is they do not leave when there visas are up. Whole different ball of wax. I say round them up and send them back! Bet you will not say the same thing about brown /black illegals. So who is really a racist here? Do you not live in the USA anymore? Please say yes. here is the thing. racists CAN and DO hide behind this "deport all of them" crap. but the FACTS are that this is a racist dogwhistle. it is red meat for rednecks. and rednecks can holler about sending the Irish back, too, but how would they even know? the Irish look just like them. the Irish ARE some of them. and that is the entire point. otherness.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 15, 2022 10:12:25 GMT -5
Let's divert and investigate kurshner and trump who held middle eastern hostage till he got something like $6 billion to pay on debts he owed. Seems like that is more important. Pretty corrupt, and trump taking classified and top secret documents and all the repubs that are fraudulent voters. They have so much wrong doing something new could come out daily. The democrats need to play dirty pool like the repubs, bring up all kinds of crap, but no, we try to be factual, why the ignorant fox news watchers won't know the difference. Lie like they do. LOL, what the hell do you think democrats have been doing for over five years now? You know you post you want to move to a blue state, so for the love of anything close to decency, try NYC or ANY blue county in California.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Apr 15, 2022 10:28:01 GMT -5
I want to move to Washington state where son and family is. It's blue and red but has a lot of blue, one of the reasons it's so prosperous.
Look where all the tax money comes from and who have the best health care, blue; we have to help support all the poor red states.
Indiana is dropping lower on wages and education, plus going far right on religious matters. Glad I'm not raising children here right now.
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Post by dondub on Apr 15, 2022 10:31:08 GMT -5
I want to move to Washington state where son and family is. It's blue and red but has a lot of blue, one of the reasons it's so prosperous. Look where all the tax money comes from and who have the best health care, blue; we have to help support all the poor red states. Indiana is dropping lower on wages and education, plus going far right on religious matters. Glad I'm not raising children here right now. We are solidly blue here. The red is mostly in Eastern Washington and rural Western. But there is a huge cushion.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 15, 2022 13:33:33 GMT -5
I want to move to Washington state where son and family is. It's blue and red but has a lot of blue, one of the reasons it's so prosperous. Look where all the tax money comes from and who have the best health care, blue; we have to help support all the poor red states. Indiana is dropping lower on wages and education, plus going far right on religious matters. Glad I'm not raising children here right now. WA isn't the utopia you seem to think it is. There are problems here too, just different problems and not easy to solve.
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 15, 2022 16:55:04 GMT -5
Let's divert and investigate kurshner and trump who held middle eastern hostage till he got something like $6 billion to pay on debts he owed. Seems like that is more important. Pretty corrupt, and trump taking classified and top secret documents and all the repubs that are fraudulent voters. They have so much wrong doing something new could come out daily. The democrats need to play dirty pool like the repubs, bring up all kinds of crap, but no, we try to be factual, why the ignorant fox news watchers won't know the difference. Lie like they do. LOL, what the hell do you think democrats have been doing for over five years now?You know you post you want to move to a blue state, so for the love of anything close to decency, try NYC or ANY blue county in California. Investigating potential criminal activity?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 16, 2022 4:56:41 GMT -5
Its not attacking, its calling people out for being racists. If it walks like a duck.... All of the bullshit that is ever spewed about illegals is in regards to BROWN/BLACK illegals. Nothing is every said about the illegals that fly here from Asian or Eastern European countries. The whole immigration argument is absolutely DRENCHED in racism. Its a way for poor white rednecks to feel like they are better than someone else. What is so racist about wanting secure borders. Don't you lock your doors at home to keep yourself safe at night when you sleep?
i do. but honestly, i am not sure why. i have never had my house broken into, whether i was asleep, awake, there or not there. probably just paranoia. and the fact that law enforcement won't respond if i don't do the bare minimum. but you are making a false comparison. first of all, you can be of the opinion that our borders are secure enough as they are. if you are of that opinion, then YES, the effort to "secure our borders" is racist, because it implies something that is not true. a great deal of GOP rhetoric is like this. and i think it is really good to analyze where these opinions emanate from. consider this: the growth under Obama's last three years, both economic and jobs growth, was HIGHER than that under Trump's first three years. how many Trump supporters believe that? any? i have pointed out that the rate of migration into the US has been declining for 25 years. do you believe it? it doesn't seem like it, because you keep waving around this border crisis meme as if it were real. it isn't. i would suggest you question favored truths, rip. my life completely changed when i did that in 2003. i had been operating under the exceptionalism position prior to that. in early 2003, i sensed that the public rhetoric about the Iraq War was wrong. the UN inspectors had found no WMD. in December 2002 they were given license to visit previously unvsiited facilities. their work would have been done by the fall of 2003. rather than waiting for that report to be completed, the US barged into Iraq, which had little or no connection to 911, and killed 50000 children. public opinion of this war and of Bush was sky high because of this. i really started to distrust the media, the government, and the propaganda machine after that. YOU SHOULD, TOO.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 16, 2022 8:24:34 GMT -5
I want to move to Washington state where son and family is. It's blue and red but has a lot of blue, one of the reasons it's so prosperous. Look where all the tax money comes from and who have the best health care, blue; we have to help support all the poor red states. Indiana is dropping lower on wages and education, plus going far right on religious matters. Glad I'm not raising children here right now. Ask your son what the state income and property taxs are there. No way you move there.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 16, 2022 11:46:33 GMT -5
I want to move to Washington state where son and family is. It's blue and red but has a lot of blue, one of the reasons it's so prosperous. Look where all the tax money comes from and who have the best health care, blue; we have to help support all the poor red states. Indiana is dropping lower on wages and education, plus going far right on religious matters. Glad I'm not raising children here right now. Ask your son what the state income and property taxs are there. No way you move there. There is no state income tax in Washington. Property taxes are considered high, but valuations are high here too, so the ratio of tax as compared to value is not nearly as bad as some other states. Much of the property tax revenue goes toward schools, which is another reason why education is better than in red states that don't spend much money on schools.
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Post by dondub on Apr 16, 2022 15:02:15 GMT -5
I want to move to Washington state where son and family is. It's blue and red but has a lot of blue, one of the reasons it's so prosperous. Look where all the tax money comes from and who have the best health care, blue; we have to help support all the poor red states. Indiana is dropping lower on wages and education, plus going far right on religious matters. Glad I'm not raising children here right now. Ask your son what the state income and property taxs are there. No way you move there. There is no state income tax in Washington. And as we have one of the most regressive tax systems Country Girl and hubby would do fine.
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