"Don't Say Gay"

[kadee78]

I thought there was a thread on this, but I couldn't find one.  However, just LOVE this teacher's response....

[NancysSummerSip]

Governor Dumb Down DeSantis is looking for one more way to increase the teacher shortage here. Leave it to him to find it. He's a bottom of the barrel scraping, right wing pundit pandering pimple on Trump's ass. The state hardly needs anyone to make it look like a laughing stock. But here we are, stuck with him, Goofy the Surgeon General and of course, the spokes-head who make Kayleigh McNinny look kinda sorta intelligent, Christine "Push 'Em Back" Pushaw, whose inane tweets have included this:

www.mic.com/impact/christina-pushaw-dont-say-gay-ron-desantis-florida

"If you’re against the Anti-Grooming Bill, you are probably a groomer or at least you don’t denounce the grooming of 4-8 year old children. Silence is complicity. This is how it works, Democrats, and I didn’t make the rules."

Because of course, only Democrats think Don't Say Gay is wrong, ridiculous and a totally unnecessary application of a solution to a problem that does not exist.

I hope that Mom for Liberty goes into that teacher's classroom and demands an answer. And I hope that teacher delivers one, loud and proud and in her face, before quitting. That teacher is the best thing that kid's got going in life. That closed-minded mother is the worst.

[happyhoix]

I’m wondering if all this far right activism against gays, transgendered people, abortion access and what the far right refers to as CRT but is actually pro- white laws will end up backfiring on the GOP.

The GOP is already much less popular with younger voters. And the younger voters tend to be far more tolerant of non heterosexual people, even in my bright red area. Younger voters are also less likely to buy into the CRT scare tactics.

I think the harder the GOP tries to back our society up to a white and Christian 1950, the more their core voters shrink to white older people- and that’s a death sentence.

All the Dems need to do this voting season is run ads with Ted Cruz ranting about anti white children’s books to boost the dem turnout.

[andi9899]

I saw that letter and I love that teacher.

[thyme4change]

Apr 3, 2022 15:57:32 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I’m wondering if all this far right activism against gays, transgendered people, abortion access and what the far right refers to as CRT but is actually pro- white laws will end up backfiring on the GOP.

The GOP is already much less popular with younger voters. And the younger voters tend to be far more tolerant of non heterosexual people, even in my bright red area. Younger voters are also less likely to buy into the CRT scare tactics.

I think the harder the GOP tries to back our society up to a white and Christian 1950, the more their core voters shrink to white older people- and that’s a death sentence.

All the Dems need to do this voting season is run ads with Ted Cruz ranting about anti white children’s books to boost the dem turnout.

My fear is that there is targeting of certain youth to sign onto the conservative platform. And once they take any semblance of tolerance out of the schools, kids will have a different perspective. All they need to do is convince Gen Z that (a) someone is out to get them and (b) a billionaires tax would make their lives worse. I am sure they can find enough racists, homophobic, power hungry assholes at all ages. They just need to use their tools to bend people on the bubble to their side.

I hope you are right and Gen Z saves us all - but it won't be a slam dunk. We have seen what the GOP will do to stay in power - they aren't done. Their gerrymandering has bought them time.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Apr 6, 2022 19:10:07 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Apr 3, 2022 15:57:32 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I’m wondering if all this far right activism against gays, transgendered people, abortion access and what the far right refers to as CRT but is actually pro- white laws will end up backfiring on the GOP.

The GOP is already much less popular with younger voters. And the younger voters tend to be far more tolerant of non heterosexual people, even in my bright red area. Younger voters are also less likely to buy into the CRT scare tactics.

I think the harder the GOP tries to back our society up to a white and Christian 1950, the more their core voters shrink to white older people- and that’s a death sentence.

All the Dems need to do this voting season is run ads with Ted Cruz ranting about anti white children’s books to boost the dem turnout.

My fear is that there is targeting of certain youth to sign onto the conservative platform. And once they take any semblance of tolerance out of the schools, kids will have a different perspective. All they need to do is convince Gen Z that (a) someone is out to get them and (b) a billionaires tax would make their lives worse. I am sure they can find enough racists, homophobic, power hungry assholes at all ages. They just need to use their tools to bend people on the bubble to their side.

I hope you are right and Gen Z saves us all - but it won't be a slam dunk. We have seen what the GOP will do to stay in power - they aren't done. Their gerrymandering has bought them time.

That's true.  This is all being done in the name of "parental rights" and there are plenty of Gen Xers and early Millienial parents that were raised to be just as racist, sexist and homophobic as their parents were before them.  School is where those ideas are challenged because you are forced to interact with people outside of your bubble.

And it's not stopping at schools they are starting to test the waters with banning what PUBLIC libraries can offer to their patrons.  So now not only are you not exposed to different views in school you can't stumble upon a book that opens your mind outside of school either.

Then toss in you live in a largely homogenous area like  Iowa and Nebraska.  Depending on where you live here you could easily go through almost your entire life without encountering someone who is different from you.  That's why our states are conservative bastions of white privilege.  Our states are gerrymandered as such that those areas get more voting power than the cities which are more "liberal" (such as you can be in either state anymore).   So even if my city has more people that mayo white area that has been brainwashing their kids since day one to toe the Republican line win.

Those of us in the older generations can't count on Gen Z saving us.  Eventually the world will turn one funeral at a time but a hell of a lot of damage can be done in the meantime.   The damage done during the Civil War reformation set back African American progress over a 100 years. Women have only had the right to vote since 1920.   Gay marriage has only been legal in my lifetime. 

Republicans are shooting for a record timing of rights rollbacks for everyone who isn't a rich white dude.

[Value Buy]

Apr 3, 2022 15:57:32 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I’m wondering if all this far right activism against gays, transgendered people, abortion access and what the far right refers to as CRT but is actually pro- white laws will end up backfiring on the GOP.

The GOP is already much less popular with younger voters. And the younger voters tend to be far more tolerant of non heterosexual people, even in my bright red area. Younger voters are also less likely to buy into the CRT scare tactics.

I think the harder the GOP tries to back our society up to a white and Christian 1950, the more their core voters shrink to white older people- and that’s a death sentence.

All the Dems need to do this voting season is run ads with Ted Cruz ranting about anti white children’s books to boost the dem turnout.

How was this a pro white law? Now it is racism, rather than sexual orientation?

[billisonboard]

Apr 7, 2022 9:11:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 3, 2022 15:57:32 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I’m wondering if all this far right activism against gays, transgendered people, abortion access and what the far right refers to as CRT but is actually pro- white laws will end up backfiring on the GOP.

The GOP is already much less popular with younger voters. And the younger voters tend to be far more tolerant of non heterosexual people, even in my bright red area. Younger voters are also less likely to buy into the CRT scare tactics.

I think the harder the GOP tries to back our society up to a white and Christian 1950, the more their core voters shrink to white older people- and that’s a death sentence.

All the Dems need to do this voting season is run ads with Ted Cruz ranting about anti white children’s books to boost the dem turnout.

How was this a pro white law? Now it is racism, rather than sexual orientation?

See bolded above.

[Value Buy]

Apr 7, 2022 9:18:32 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 7, 2022 9:11:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

How was this a pro white law? Now it is racism, rather than sexual orientation?

See bolded above.

I knew that. I have been called far right and worse here on the boards, so I can ask that question. The poster has to agree with their statement because the thread is about the Florida law which btw, never mentions "Gay"or would not have mentioned race issues and Republicans in the post.

[billisonboard]

Apr 7, 2022 9:25:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 7, 2022 9:18:32 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

See bolded above.

I knew that. I have been called far right and worse here on the boards, so I can ask that question. The poster has to agree with their statement because the thread is about the Florida law which btw, never mentions "Gay"or would not have mentioned race issues and Republicans in the post.

Okay, but your use of the general pronoun "this" made it unclear.

[thyme4change]

Apr 7, 2022 9:11:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 3, 2022 15:57:32 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I’m wondering if all this far right activism against gays, transgendered people, abortion access and what the far right refers to as CRT but is actually pro- white laws will end up backfiring on the GOP.

The GOP is already much less popular with younger voters. And the younger voters tend to be far more tolerant of non heterosexual people, even in my bright red area. Younger voters are also less likely to buy into the CRT scare tactics.

I think the harder the GOP tries to back our society up to a white and Christian 1950, the more their core voters shrink to white older people- and that’s a death sentence.

All the Dems need to do this voting season is run ads with Ted Cruz ranting about anti white children’s books to boost the dem turnout.

How was this a pro white law? Now it is racism, rather than sexual orientation?

My statement was about recruiting young people into the conservative mindset. There are several paths into that. Evangelical, pro-life, anti-tax, sexist, racist, LGBTQ-phobic, xenophobic, anti-immigration - all paths that are used to pull in people. And then you just count on identity politics to get the blanket vote across the ballot. If either party can get people to narrow their inputs to supportive sources, you can chip away at people's independent thinking.

So, no, this particular bill isn't racist, but there are other examples of the GOP appealing to racists.

[Tennesseer]

From today's New York Times.

Culture War, Redux
How did L.G.B.T. rights again become the subject of a culture war?

For a few years, the battles over L.G.B.T. rights seemed to be fading from the American political scene.

The Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in 2015, and most Americans supported the decision. During the past few national campaigns, most Republican politicians — including Donald Trump, who called himself a friend of the gay community — largely ignored L.G.B.T. issues. One of Trump’s Supreme Court appointees, Neil Gorsuch, even wrote the opinion in a 2020 case that protected gay and transgender workers from job discrimination.

But the brief political truce on L.G.B.T. rights appears to be over. In more than a dozen states, Republicans have recently passed laws restricting those rights. In the Senate, Republicans used Ketanji Brown Jackson’s confirmation hearing to call attention to some of the same issues that the new laws cover, even though Jackson’s judicial record had virtually no connection to them. (The Senate confirmed her yesterday.)

What explains the change? Today’s newsletter offers two explanations and also provides an overview of recent L.G.B.T.-related laws across the country.

A new boldness
After Barack Obama won re-election in 2012, the conventional wisdom on both the right and the left was that the Republican Party needed to moderate its approach to social issues to win over younger voters in a diversifying country.

Trump’s 2016 campaign rejected this advice. He instead moved left on economic issues, like trade and Social Security. On some hot-button cultural issues, like crime and immigration, he moved farther right. On others, he showed relatively little interest — but promised cultural and religious conservatives that he would defer to them once he was in the White House.

“Trump’s view was, ‘Give them what they want,’” said our colleague Jeremy Peters, who writes about this history in “Insurgency,” his recent book. “He understood that if he did that, most of all by filling the federal judiciary with conservatives, they would continue to be the cornerstone of his base.” As president, Trump also went back on his pro-L.G.B.T. rhetoric and restricted transgender rights.

This approach has emboldened cultural conservatives on multiple issues, including abortion, gun rights, affirmative action and voting rights. As Stuart Stevens, a longtime Republican strategist and Trump critic, told us, “Many in the party see that they no longer need to pretend and they can go back to voicing what they really believe.”

The new conservative aggressiveness is the first factor that helps explain the recent flurry of laws restricting L.G.B.T. rights. The second factor is the political opportunity that some Republicans now see: They recognize that public opinion on gender identity and transgender rights is more conservative than it is on same-sex marriage.

Some of these issues of gender identity are also unavoidably vexing, involving conflicts between one person’s rights and another’s. For example, should transgender girls always be allowed play girls’ sports — even if male puberty gave them physical strength that provides a competitive advantage? (Some feminists and female athletes say no, and some transgender women are torn.) When should schools start to teach children about gender identity? Should schools be required to tell parents if a child switches gender identity at school?

On several of these questions, Republicans see an opportunity to cast Democrats as out of touch. “The right is using trans identity among kids as the wedge,” says our colleague Emily Bazelon, who writes about legal issues.

Bazelon points out that this political strategy relies partly on lies that seem intended to stoke fear and hatred. In Florida, for example, some Republicans have falsely suggested that schools’ lessons about sexuality are really an attempt to “groom” students.

Our summary of the recent laws follows.

Rest of article here: Culture War, Redux

[justme]

So while the final wording of the bill does not say gay, if you look at the amendments and attempted amendments to the bill it CLEARLY is against anyone not cis gender and heterosexual.

One amendment said something along the lines of tech abstinence and the benefits of monogamous heterosexual sex in marriage. Which they later amended to take out heterosexual. And ended up not being in the finished product.

Another specified a very specific time line in which teachers had to notify parents if a student came out in any way or was asked to be referred to by different pronouns.

Just because the final piece made a point to not specifically say it, doesn't mean that wasn't the intention.