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Post by Tiny on Mar 28, 2022 16:36:53 GMT -5
That really doesn't say much. Seriously, 0 out of 5 people I know with hip problems were fat, and I know lots of fat people. They absolutely do have knee problemsAre you sure about that? I know quite a few older obese to morbidly obese people and they aren't complaining about knee or hip pain - but they also avoid standing for any length of time and having to walk any further than they have to (they always choose the closest parking spot even if it means driving around waiting for a spot to open up - but oh no they are NOT handicapped) or get asked to be dropped off as close to the door/entrance to where they are going). Overweight people tend to sit and not move a lot. They look for a place to sit ASAP. They will decline any sort of event or happening where they THINK they may have to stand for a period of time OR that requires walking. (A few years ago a friend wanted to go to the Arboretum to see some special "display" - I wasn't aware she couldn't walk and she didn't say anything - I had to park pretty far from the "entrance" because of the number of people already there. we were the 10 or 12 car down an aisle. She managed to walk to the special display area and to view it - but we didn't stay long - she was very uncomfortable and was having trouble walking (pain I assume). To be honest - even if I had dropped/picked her up from the entrance - she might have had the same issue. I had NO idea she couldn't walk any distance - she always seemed fine getting around at home. )
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 28, 2022 16:49:33 GMT -5
That really doesn't say much. Seriously, 0 out of 5 people I know with hip problems were fat, and I know lots of fat people. They absolutely do have knee problemsAre you sure about that? I know quite a few older obese to morbidly obese people and they aren't complaining about knee or hip pain - but they also avoid standing for any length of time and having to walk any further than they have to (they always choose the closest parking spot even if it means driving around waiting for a spot to open up - but oh no they are NOT handicapped) or get asked to be dropped off as close to the door/entrance to where they are going). Overweight people tend to sit and not move a lot. They look for a place to sit ASAP. They will decline any sort of event or happening where they THINK they may have to stand for a period of time OR that requires walking. (A few years ago a friend wanted to go to the Arboretum to see some special "display" - I wasn't aware she couldn't walk and she didn't say anything - I had to park pretty far from the "entrance" because of the number of people already there. we were the 10 or 12 car down an aisle. She managed to walk to the special display area and to view it - but we didn't stay long - she was very uncomfortable and was having trouble walking (pain I assume). To be honest - even if I had dropped/picked her up from the entrance - she might have had the same issue. I had NO idea she couldn't walk any distance - she always seemed fine getting around at home. ) Yes, many of the fat people I know have/have had problems with their knees. I know they tend to be very sedentary, which is why I questioned the hip issues. And I still didn't see good data to determine whether it is due to strain from overuse.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 28, 2022 18:57:43 GMT -5
Older son is ortho surgeon and for elective joint replacement requests patient try to stop smoking for 6 months. There is a poorer outcome for smokers. He also requests them to loose weight again for 6 months. He doesn’t shame them just presents outcomes also requests but doesn’t deny surgery for smokers and obese His MIL needs both hip and knee surgery and is losing weight, her ortho in CA also told her better to lose weight first She’s lost around 75 lbs and still needs surgery but already has less pain As for relating this to finances , easier surgery and recovery needing less hospitalization time and rehab care and less cost If my DH got a hip replacement, would he be able to get back to running? (We were pondering this option years ago, and I can't remember what the holdup was exactly. I thought it maybe had to do I that, or perhaps need for subsequent surgery.) 6-4, 185 lbs, 48 yo. It’s not recommended, but surgeons won’t tell you flat out not to because they know you are going to run anyway. In any case, by the time you need your hips fixed from running, you will be a revisionist’s problem, not the problem of the OS who did your primary surgery. Revisions do not last as long, are not as likely to be successful and increase the amount of scar tissue you have to deal with. Risk of infection from revisions is also 10 fold, for some reason. Take home message is you want your primary hips to last as long as possible. Mine only lasted 7 years, and I have no bone left to fix problems.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Mar 28, 2022 20:10:40 GMT -5
That really doesn't say much. Seriously, 0 out of 5 people I know with hip problems were fat, and I know lots of fat people. They absolutely do have knee problemsAre you sure about that? I know quite a few older obese to morbidly obese people and they aren't complaining about knee or hip pain - but they also avoid standing for any length of time and having to walk any further than they have to (they always choose the closest parking spot even if it means driving around waiting for a spot to open up - but oh no they are NOT handicapped) or get asked to be dropped off as close to the door/entrance to where they are going). Overweight people tend to sit and not move a lot. They look for a place to sit ASAP. They will decline any sort of event or happening where they THINK they may have to stand for a period of time OR that requires walking. (A few years ago a friend wanted to go to the Arboretum to see some special "display" - I wasn't aware she couldn't walk and she didn't say anything - I had to park pretty far from the "entrance" because of the number of people already there. we were the 10 or 12 car down an aisle. She managed to walk to the special display area and to view it - but we didn't stay long - she was very uncomfortable and was having trouble walking (pain I assume). To be honest - even if I had dropped/picked her up from the entrance - she might have had the same issue. I had NO idea she couldn't walk any distance - she always seemed fine getting around at home. ) I'm fat. Not obscenely fat but fat. 5'2" and 215lbs. My medical issues are a roll of the dice, not related to my weight. And I stand, walk, and go places more than my perfect weight but now disabled DH. I cannot tell you how demoralizing it is to constantly hear this type of degradation. Every damn time I go out I feel this judgement.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 28, 2022 21:21:43 GMT -5
Are you sure about that? I know quite a few older obese to morbidly obese people and they aren't complaining about knee or hip pain - but they also avoid standing for any length of time and having to walk any further than they have to (they always choose the closest parking spot even if it means driving around waiting for a spot to open up - but oh no they are NOT handicapped) or get asked to be dropped off as close to the door/entrance to where they are going). Overweight people tend to sit and not move a lot. They look for a place to sit ASAP. They will decline any sort of event or happening where they THINK they may have to stand for a period of time OR that requires walking. (A few years ago a friend wanted to go to the Arboretum to see some special "display" - I wasn't aware she couldn't walk and she didn't say anything - I had to park pretty far from the "entrance" because of the number of people already there. we were the 10 or 12 car down an aisle. She managed to walk to the special display area and to view it - but we didn't stay long - she was very uncomfortable and was having trouble walking (pain I assume). To be honest - even if I had dropped/picked her up from the entrance - she might have had the same issue. I had NO idea she couldn't walk any distance - she always seemed fine getting around at home. ) I'm fat. Not obscenely fat but fat. 5'2" and 215lbs. My medical issues are a roll of the dice, not related to my weight. And I stand, walk, and go places more than my perfect weight but now disabled DH. I cannot tell you how demoralizing it is to constantly hear this type of degradation. Every damn time I go out I feel this judgement. I'm sorry, I think we're talking a level of morbidly obese that gets out of breath from walking any distance. I practically lived at my hs BFF house during high school, and a good portion of her family was this way. I also had some family that was like this, too, on my mom's side.
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Post by raeoflyte on Mar 28, 2022 21:46:06 GMT -5
Are you sure about that? I know quite a few older obese to morbidly obese people and they aren't complaining about knee or hip pain - but they also avoid standing for any length of time and having to walk any further than they have to (they always choose the closest parking spot even if it means driving around waiting for a spot to open up - but oh no they are NOT handicapped) or get asked to be dropped off as close to the door/entrance to where they are going). Overweight people tend to sit and not move a lot. They look for a place to sit ASAP. They will decline any sort of event or happening where they THINK they may have to stand for a period of time OR that requires walking. (A few years ago a friend wanted to go to the Arboretum to see some special "display" - I wasn't aware she couldn't walk and she didn't say anything - I had to park pretty far from the "entrance" because of the number of people already there. we were the 10 or 12 car down an aisle. She managed to walk to the special display area and to view it - but we didn't stay long - she was very uncomfortable and was having trouble walking (pain I assume). To be honest - even if I had dropped/picked her up from the entrance - she might have had the same issue. I had NO idea she couldn't walk any distance - she always seemed fine getting around at home. ) I'm fat. Not obscenely fat but fat. 5'2" and 215lbs. My medical issues are a roll of the dice, not related to my weight. And I stand, walk, and go places more than my perfect weight but now disabled DH. I cannot tell you how demoralizing it is to constantly hear this type of degradation. Every damn time I go out I feel this judgement. I get some amusement from being grossly underestimated, but I'm in a similar situation. Dh looks healthy but struggles with life, and people assume I'm weak or frail but am anything but. For my kids sake and especially dd I have really paid attention to my words and actions, making sure to point out what I'm proud of about my body. It's still a work in progress but I'll take fat and strong every day.
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Post by nidena on Mar 29, 2022 0:43:25 GMT -5
FWIW, anyone using BMI as an indicator of health should probably make some adjustments to their way of thinking. Which means that using the categories, as defined by the BMI chart(s), needs some adjusting, too. If you read the history of how it came to be, you would be amazed that we even still use it today. Yet, physicians seem to have the parameters of those general categories ingrained in their brains. And it is an unfair generalization to say that "Overweight people tend to sit and not move a lot. They look for a place to sit ASAP. They will decline any sort of event or happening where they THINK they may have to stand for a period of time OR that requires walking." Maybe you meant to say unfit people rather than overweight because I, too, know lots of overweight people and many of them work out at the gym, run marathons, participate in bicycle races. Being overweight does NOT equal unfit or unhealthy. Hell, look at Lizzo. That woman is fat. And she knows it. And she'd dance us under the table. And she's not an exception. To tie this back to the general topic of this thread, is to spend a shit-ton of money on things trying to lose weight when, in reality, it's not the weight that needs to change but the gross assumptions that go along with fatness. ETA: Found this article to be an interesting read Top 10 Reasons Why The BMI Is Bogus
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Post by Sharon on Mar 29, 2022 7:51:33 GMT -5
This was a discussion that was overheard yesterday in a restaurant. "Once I get my money from Tupperware then I will be able to pay my electric bill. I also need to get my tires switched over since I have have snow tires on and am surprised I haven't gotten a ticket yet." The discussion then continued on about how she also wanted to start doing pampered chef and then get one more thing to sell. Then she would just have one party each month rotating between the three MLM items. She knew of someone who had made $10,000 doing that.
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Post by azucena on Mar 29, 2022 8:01:33 GMT -5
MLMs are predatory against the financially uneducated.
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Post by seriousthistime on Mar 29, 2022 10:22:19 GMT -5
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 29, 2022 10:45:19 GMT -5
MLM: guilt your friends and family into buying overpriced crap they neither want nor need.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 13:06:35 GMT -5
A podcast I just listened to on ERISA reminded me: for heaven's sake, sign up for Medicare when you're eligible unless you have a clear reason not to (typically you're on your employer plan and it's "creditable coverage"). If your employer REQUIRES you to sign up for Medicare at age 65 and you don't, the employer plan can pay as if you HAD signed up for Medicare and pay only what they would have paid if you'd enrolled in Medicare. If you get traditional Medicare (A, B and prescription plan) do NOT wait to enroll in Parts B and D, which require premium payments, because you're healthy and you'll wait to sign up till you get sick. They'll tack a penalty onto your premiums (about 10% for every year you delayed) unless you had creditable coverage during that interval and you'll pay it the rest of your life. And don't forego the supplement- I saw one FB comment from someone who didn't buy it because it was "too expensive"- then they got billed for the 20% co-pay that the supplement would have covered. BF works for a call center to answer Medicare questions and he runs into people who have made these poor decisions all the time. Usually they're the people who can least afford the consequences.
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Post by seriousthistime on Mar 29, 2022 14:25:36 GMT -5
MLM: guilt your friends and family into buying overpriced crap they neither want nor need. I loved the Pampered Chef items I bought through their parties. I still have some items, even 25 years later. I tried to help out my friend who "earned" the white Mercedes by buying into it. I became an independent consultant solely to buy some of their products at a discount. They had some tricky incentives, "buy $250 of [pre-discount priced] products and get $100 of retail priced products for $20 more!" type stuff. For some years I had quite a stockpile and had the credit card bills to prove it. I still think their products are great and I do still buy them, but not in the quantities I did, and only the products I want. I'm done trying out all sorts of other products the company came out with. I was never trying to earn the white Mercedes. I completely agree that the MLM companies rely on guilting family and friends, not only into buying, but joining the company to sell to their own groups of families and friends.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 14:32:49 GMT -5
I loved the Pampered Chef items I bought through their parties. I still have some items, even 25 years later. Silpada Jewelry was founded in KC by two women. A friend sold their designs and I really liked them- I still have most of what I bought 15 years ago. Then Avon bought them and made a mess of it, including jacking up the prices. They sold the company back to the founders at a fraction of what they'd paid for it and now I see that you can go on-line and buy it- so all the brand recognition the dealers created now works to the advantage of the company. There's plenty for sale at a discount on e-Bay, too. A lot can happen that's totally outside the dealers' control.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Mar 29, 2022 14:33:48 GMT -5
MLM: guilt your friends and family into buying overpriced crap they neither want nor need. I loved the Pampered Chef items I bought through their parties. I still have some items, even 25 years later. I tried to help out my friend who "earned" the white Mercedes by buying into it. I became an independent consultant solely to buy some of their products at a discount. They had some tricky incentives, "buy $250 of [pre-discount priced] products and get $100 of retail priced products for $20 more!" type stuff. For some years I had quite a stockpile and had the credit card bills to prove it. I still think their products are great and I do still buy them, but not in the quantities I did, and only the products I want. I'm done trying out all sorts of other products the company came out with. I was never trying to earn the white Mercedes. I completely agree that the MLM companies rely on guilting family and friends, not only into buying, but joining the company to sell to their own groups of families and friends. I’m still using pampered chef items that I got back around 1990. Glad I was “guilted” into them. I don’t guilt easily.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 29, 2022 14:45:39 GMT -5
I loved the Pampered Chef items I bought through their parties. I still have some items, even 25 years later. I tried to help out my friend who "earned" the white Mercedes by buying into it. I became an independent consultant solely to buy some of their products at a discount. They had some tricky incentives, "buy $250 of [pre-discount priced] products and get $100 of retail priced products for $20 more!" type stuff. For some years I had quite a stockpile and had the credit card bills to prove it. I still think their products are great and I do still buy them, but not in the quantities I did, and only the products I want. I'm done trying out all sorts of other products the company came out with. I was never trying to earn the white Mercedes. I completely agree that the MLM companies rely on guilting family and friends, not only into buying, but joining the company to sell to their own groups of families and friends. I’m still using pampered chef items that I got back around 1990. Glad I was “guilted” into them. I don’t guilt easily. I still use the microwave steamer pot to cook frozen veggies, but the 2-liter bottle opener I had no longer fits the new smaller caps. That's all I got, 'cause their stuff was so expensive and I wasn't making much nor cooking much back when I got invited to those.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Mar 29, 2022 14:52:30 GMT -5
I’m still using pampered chef items that I got back around 1990. Glad I was “guilted” into them. I don’t guilt easily. I still use the microwave steamer pot to cook frozen veggies, but the 2-liter bottle opener I had no longer fits the new smaller caps. That's all I got, 'cause their stuff was so expensive and I wasn't making much nor cooking much back when I got invited to those. Still have my steamer too. Mine’s brown. I have two small stone pieces don’t really know what they are called but use them a lot in convection oven. I had my DIL and others hunt me down a food chopper when mind died a few years back!
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Post by tractor on Mar 29, 2022 15:02:40 GMT -5
To be fair, I have a kitchen full of pampered chef stuff my wife bought, and it gets used every day. It's stood the rest of time, and still makes a good garage sale find. I don't know what it cost us, but at this point it doesn't matter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 15:05:38 GMT -5
Darn, now you have me tempted. BF and I are going to the Berkshire-Hathaway Annual Meeting in a month and they always have an exhibit hall full of B-H products at discounts. (Berkshire owns Pampered Chef.) Maybe I'll skip the Justin Boots area in favor of Pampered Chef, provided the Pampered Chef products aren't made in China.
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Post by movingforward on Mar 29, 2022 15:59:47 GMT -5
I sat through a Cutco knives presentation to help my friend's niece out. At the end she told me a small knife set was $2,300 . That's a nice vacation. No way in hell I am spending that on some knives. I politely said thanks but no thanks. I'm sure they last for years but as little as I cook so will my $50 set.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Mar 29, 2022 16:19:29 GMT -5
Darn, now you have me tempted. BF and I are going to the Berkshire-Hathaway Annual Meeting in a month and they always have an exhibit hall full of B-H products at discounts. (Berkshire owns Pampered Chef.) Maybe I'll skip the Justin Boots area in favor of Pampered Chef, provided the Pampered Chef products aren't made in China. Found this but there are other links you can check out for specific products and where that product is made. Are Pampered Chef products made in China?
Pampered Chef stoneware is all made in USA, but many of their other items are made in China so always double check.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 16:24:28 GMT -5
MLM: guilt your friends and family into buying overpriced crap they neither want nor need. I loved the Pampered Chef items I bought through their parties. I still have some items, even 25 years later. I tried to help out my friend who "earned" the white Mercedes by buying into it. I became an independent consultant solely to buy some of their products at a discount. They had some tricky incentives, "buy $250 of [pre-discount priced] products and get $100 of retail priced products for $20 more!" type stuff. For some years I had quite a stockpile and had the credit card bills to prove it. I still think their products are great and I do still buy them, but not in the quantities I did, and only the products I want. I'm done trying out all sorts of other products the company came out with. I was never trying to earn the white Mercedes. I completely agree that the MLM companies rely on guilting family and friends, not only into buying, but joining the company to sell to their own groups of families and friends. I love all my Pampered Chef stuff and enjoyed supporting my friends who dabbled in it. The products are top-end and they totally honor their warranties. I only bought what I knew I would use for the way I cook.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 16:25:48 GMT -5
I loved the Pampered Chef items I bought through their parties. I still have some items, even 25 years later. Silpada Jewelry was founded in KC by two women. A friend sold their designs and I really liked them- I still have most of what I bought 15 years ago. Then Avon bought them and made a mess of it, including jacking up the prices. They sold the company back to the founders at a fraction of what they'd paid for it and now I see that you can go on-line and buy it- so all the brand recognition the dealers created now works to the advantage of the company. There's plenty for sale at a discount on e-Bay, too. A lot can happen that's totally outside the dealers' control. It was a really great brand while privately owned
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 16:31:06 GMT -5
I sat through a Cutco knives presentation to help my friend's niece out. At the end she told me a small knife set was $2,300 . That's a nice vacation. No way in hell I am spending that on some knives. I politely said thanks but no thanks. I'm sure they last for years but as little as I cook so will my $50 set. We bought our first Cutco set from a student back in 2003-5 knives and a wooden knife block-for under $1,000. Since then we've added a cheese knife and a different chef's knife that better fits DH's hand. All are still going strong with daily use. We both cook a LOT so it was a good investment for us.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 29, 2022 16:50:31 GMT -5
I loved the Pampered Chef items I bought through their parties. I still have some items, even 25 years later. I tried to help out my friend who "earned" the white Mercedes by buying into it. I became an independent consultant solely to buy some of their products at a discount. They had some tricky incentives, "buy $250 of [pre-discount priced] products and get $100 of retail priced products for $20 more!" type stuff. For some years I had quite a stockpile and had the credit card bills to prove it. I still think their products are great and I do still buy them, but not in the quantities I did, and only the products I want. I'm done trying out all sorts of other products the company came out with. I was never trying to earn the white Mercedes. I completely agree that the MLM companies rely on guilting family and friends, not only into buying, but joining the company to sell to their own groups of families and friends. I love all my Pampered Chef stuff and enjoyed supporting my friends who dabbled in it. The products are top-end and they totally honor their warranties. I only bought what I knew I would use for the way I cook. That's great, if you have a need for such things. I was a poor college student, living with my parents and not in need of any of it at the time...but guilted into buying stuff. The one time I went to a Tupperware party and didn't buy anything, under the same circumstances, I heard from my brother afterward. I only went because I was told I didn't have to buy anything. But, I guess I was expected to buy it regardless. I could not find a single thing I wanted, much less needed for anything close to a reasonable price. Again, poor college student living at mom and dad's house.
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Found this but there are other links you can check out for specific products and where that product is made. Are Pampered Chef products made in China?
Pampered Chef stoneware is all made in USA, but many of their other items are made in China so always double check.Thanks! I'll be checking the products out on-line before we go. I really don't need much in the way of kitchen stuff since I'm not into highly specialized utensils, but they may have something I like. Another MLM observation: a woman I met at a Toastmasters contest e-mailed me later and "invited" me to a session where I could try Mary Kay products because they were looking for feedback on them. Uh-huh. I replied tactfully that since I never wear makeup (which is true) I'd be a bad person to evaluate the products. I suspect they would have smeared lots of stuff on my face, told me how beautiful I looked and then tried to sell me two of everything.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 29, 2022 17:10:02 GMT -5
To be fair, I have a kitchen full of pampered chef stuff my wife bought, and it gets used every day. It's stood the rest of time, and still makes a good garage sale find. I don't know what it cost us, but at this point it doesn't matter. My sister used to sell Pampered Chef, so I have a stash of the stoneware (which I looove). My pizza stone was a causality of my move to WA. I have no connections to any goods anymore, bu5 I’ve got all I need. ETA….I still have a few Tupperware bowls and a pitcher. These have to be 40+ years old now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 18:08:54 GMT -5
To be fair, I have a kitchen full of pampered chef stuff my wife bought, and it gets used every day. It's stood the rest of time, and still makes a good garage sale find. I don't know what it cost us, but at this point it doesn't matter. My sister used to sell Pampered Chef, so I have a stash of the stoneware (which I looove). My pizza stone was a causality of my move to WA. I have no connections to any goods anymore, bu5 I’ve got all I need. ETA….I still have a few Tupperware bowls and a pitcher. These have to be 40+ years old now. I have a couple of pieces of Tupperware that have to be 30 years old and I love them. Dishwasher safe, don't absorb odors, tight sealing lids.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 29, 2022 18:33:12 GMT -5
Well, when you're a college student, working your way through school making < $5/hr and living with your parents, you don't really need to spend $40 for a plastic bowl to store your leftovers.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Mar 29, 2022 18:58:12 GMT -5
To be fair, I have a kitchen full of pampered chef stuff my wife bought, and it gets used every day. It's stood the rest of time, and still makes a good garage sale find. I don't know what it cost us, but at this point it doesn't matter. My sister used to sell Pampered Chef, so I have a stash of the stoneware (which I looove). My pizza stone was a causality of my move to WA. I have no connections to any goods anymore, bu5 I’ve got all I need. ETA….I still have a few Tupperware bowls and a pitcher. These have to be 40+ years old now. I love my stoneware too. Only have two pieces would never part with them.
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