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Post by swamp on Mar 19, 2022 13:59:02 GMT -5
IWhat are some that you’ve seen?
Got laid off, used severance package and cashed out retirement to build a garage.
Took max HELOC and invested it in tech stocks at the top of the market. Market crashes. (1998?) Loses everything. Still paying off HELOC 10 years later
used mom’s retirement to day trade. Heavily invested in tech. Market crashes while he’s not able to trade Loses all of mom’s money.
Buys apartment building. Doesn’t have insurance. Rents to meth heads. Meth lab blow up in apartment
Runs up credit card debt. Cashed out retirement to pay it off. Runs it up again.
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Post by jerseygirl on Mar 19, 2022 14:11:58 GMT -5
Took severance pay and ‘invested’ all in lottery tickets . He had at the time 3 kids under 5 and SAH mom
Won maybe $25
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 14:46:41 GMT -5
Took max HELOC and invested it in tech stocks at the top of the market. Market crashes. (1998?) Loses everything. Still paying off HELOC 10 years later I thought banks forbid this- not that they'd know once they hand you the check. Three retirement-account-related things: 1. A previous employer gave those of us who weren't eligible for the pension plan (they'd acquired our previous company) 6% of salary every year deposited in the 401(k), regardless of what else we did or did not contribute. (They'd also match 100% of what we did contribute up to 6%- a class act.) One of my coworkers would take it out and spend it every year. He was in his 40s so the extra 10% penalty (i.e. "the stupid tax") applied. 2. When we told my stepson in DH's last months that DH wanted him to have his IRA with $14,000 in it, DSS seemed mostly interested in how he could liquidate it and spend it. We changed the beneficiary to me and I just wrote a check to DSS. That way he didn't get gouged with taxes and for me the "stretch IRA" rules applied. I've lost touch with DSS but I'm willing to bet he's counting on SS alone for retirement. 3. After DH broke up with a long-term GF she liquidated her 401(k) and used it to go to Europe. She was a social worker, a demanding job I could never do, but clueless with money. She was also under 59.5.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 19, 2022 15:27:17 GMT -5
I've got a friend who is buying an ice cream shop in the tiny town she lives in. I'll let you know how it goes, but I'm really skeptical. She's a sharp lady, but I doubt she's done much due diligence at all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 15:40:33 GMT -5
Decided he wanted to be a rapper when he was in his 50’s. Took $100k out of his retirement account to pursue his new career, including traveling to Miami to make a video on a yacht.
This is the BIL of someone I know. Yup, the old ass wanna be rapper is married. Well, he was, idk if they are still together after that stunt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 15:50:33 GMT -5
A guy bought a $500,000 house in another state without any due diligence, much less inspection. Has since discovered that house has no working well ($$$ to truck in water weekly), heating system doesn't work leaving them dependent on wood-burning fireplaces and stoves, previous owner made a bootleg connection to the local electric supply which was discovered by the utility company when their transformers kept blowing ($7,000 fine) and getting snow off a 1,000 ft driveway is not cheap.
Same guy cashed out his IRA just before moving and was STUNNED to discover that it was a taxable event because a buddy told him IRA distributions were not taxable if you are over 60.
Neighbor got a 1-year severance package during corporate layoffs and never looked for a job. Spent it all on cruises, ski trips and home improvements. Said she needed time for healing after working for years.
Another neighbor chose to keep insuring his house and vehicles with State Farm rather than switching to the Hartford through AARP because "AARP is a (*%#+ bunch of commies" etc. Four other neighbors, including me, have saved $1,000+ in premiums annually for the last 10-12 years. He just filed for SS at 62 because he's too sick to work anymore
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Post by pooks on Mar 19, 2022 16:43:43 GMT -5
Neighbor got a 1-year severance package during corporate layoffs and never looked for a job. Spent it all on cruises, ski trips and home improvements. Said she needed time for healing after working for years. I know it might be unpopular, but I can see doing this one. DH's employer gives out lots of vacation, but in the past kept everyone so busy they couldn't use it and definitely discouraged using it more than 1-2 weeks at a time. If he got a years severance and medical insurance, we would be going on some long vacations, while we are still young enough to enjoy them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 17:13:16 GMT -5
Neighbor got a 1-year severance package during corporate layoffs and never looked for a job. Spent it all on cruises, ski trips and home improvements. Said she needed time for healing after working for years. I know it might be unpopular, but I can see doing this one. DH's employer gives out lots of vacation, but in the past kept everyone so busy they couldn't use it and definitely discouraged using it more than 1-2 weeks at a time. If he got a years severance and medical insurance, we would be going on some long vacations, while we are still young enough to enjoy them. I could totally see it in your DH's situation. My neighbor received and took 3 weeks vacation annually.
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Post by cooper88 on Mar 19, 2022 17:21:14 GMT -5
My brother was living on the west coast, filed his taxes, and got his refund check. Then he moved to the south. Filed taxes again to get another refund, thinking that since they went to different processing centers he would be okay. He did get his second refund for a while, until the IRS figured it out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 17:29:33 GMT -5
My brother was living on the west coast, filed his taxes, and got his refund check. Then he moved to the south. Filed taxes again to get another refund, thinking that since they went to different processing centers he would be okay. He did get his second refund for a while, until the IRS figured it out.
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Post by raeoflyte on Mar 19, 2022 17:30:29 GMT -5
Neighbor got a 1-year severance package during corporate layoffs and never looked for a job. Spent it all on cruises, ski trips and home improvements. Said she needed time for healing after working for years. I know it might be unpopular, but I can see doing this one. DH's employer gives out lots of vacation, but in the past kept everyone so busy they couldn't use it and definitely discouraged using it more than 1-2 weeks at a time. If he got a years severance and medical insurance, we would be going on some long vacations, while we are still young enough to enjoy them. I really want to plan a mini and early retirement like this. Take a year off when I'm 50 or so, plan on a 2nd year to look for a new job. Probably a pipe dream, but it sounds amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 17:33:50 GMT -5
A friend's brother decided to go cash only for about 15 years and didn't file any tax returns. His position was that the IRS couldn't prove that he received any taxable income. He did not understand the concept of imputed income based on his house, his truck, his whole lifestyle. I don't know what his final sentence was. I do know that not many of his siblings felt the need to come to his rescue
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 19, 2022 17:34:04 GMT -5
I was really hoping to get the 6 month severance my company promised anyone let go for a time to help me move to Vegas. Damn company kept me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 17:45:17 GMT -5
I was really hoping to get the 6 month severance my company promised anyone let go for a time to help me move to Vegas. Damn company kept me. I actually did get almost 6 months' severance (20 weeks) from a Prudential sub when they dumped me in 1995. I REALLY wanted to visit Eastern Europe but I was married, DS was 9 and my then-husband was unemployed. Silly me- I called 3 recruiters and was working again 6 weeks later. But- DS had a VERY merry Christmas and I eventually got to E. Europe- with my second husband. The ice cream story reminded me that a coworker quit to buy a Cold Stone Creamery franchise about 15 years ago. He had numerical and financial smarts and was passionate about ice cream. A couple of years later he was back at work in our field. He'd underestimated the hassle of trying to get and keep good employees, probably spent way too much time in the shop himself, and many Cold Stone franchisees complained that Cold Stone would issue tons of discount coupons that pretty much forced them to sell at a loss. He eventually walked away and gave them back the keys. He told me he never imagined a company could leave so much risk on the franchisees. The good news was that he was in his 30s- early enough to recover.
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Post by jeffreymo on Mar 19, 2022 17:50:03 GMT -5
Bad marriage. Divorced 20+ years ago. Personal bankruptcy 5 years following. A few years ago the employer closed the pension plan and rolled distributions into a brand new 401k account - because at the age of 50 or so this person had saved zero for retirement. At this point, the person had somewhat dug themselves out of a hole and could cover their expenses and pay most of their credit card balances with their tax refund. Since the person didn’t qualify for a hardship withdrawal no matter how hard they tried, the only way they could “get ahold of their money” was through a 401k loan. Still to this day they have saved zero for retirement and they don’t see a problem with working until they die and trusting that their kids (or even their grandkids) will take care of them and give them a room to stay in. And they’re in this position because it’s too late now and because they had a really bad marriage (that ended 20+ years ago).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 17:58:57 GMT -5
Bad marriage. Divorced 20+ years ago. Personal bankruptcy 5 years following. A few years ago the employer closed the pension plan and rolled distributions into a brand new 401k account - because at the age of 50 or so this person had saved zero for retirement. At this point, the person had somewhat dug themselves out of a hole and could cover their expenses and pay most of their credit card balances with their tax refund. Since the person didn’t qualify for a hardship withdrawal no matter how hard they tried, the only way they could “get ahold of their money” was through a 401k loan. Still to this day they have saved zero for retirement and they don’t see a problem with working until they die and trusting that their kids (or even their grandkids) will take care of them and give them a room to stay in. And they’re in this position because it’s too late now and because they had a really bad marriage (that ended 20+ years ago). At this point in my life, plans that include burdening children and even grandchildren with taking care of a person instead of at least trying to plan properly, upsets my nerves. My ex and I separated over 20 years ago, when I was a SAHM and had never had a full time job. We divorced a few years later, when I had the money to file. I’ve made some less than ideal decisions since then, but it never occurred to me to depend on anyone, let alone my CHILDREN at some point, to provide for me and take care of me.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 19, 2022 18:54:55 GMT -5
My older sister got down sized in her 40s and decided she wanted to go back to school to be a paralegal. Cashed out her 401K to live on and pay tuition for the 2 year program,. Got a job on graduation, worked for a few years, then at 50 decided she had ‘worked long enough’, plus where she lived was very cold in the morning and she was tired of getting up early, going out into the cold to start her car for warm up for a while. Headed into early retirement with zero pension, zero 401K, too young to get SS. She complained a lot that people where both spouses worked (like me) should give more money to people who didn’t work, like her., because they were ‘rolling in dough.’
Co worker put 100% of her 401K into our company stock. When I tried to talk her into a balanced portfolio to mitigate her risk, she said she trusted her co-workers to work hard and keep the company stock high. Company made a series of bad moves, had to declare bankruptcy, and got bought up by a competitor for pennys on the dollar.
My other sister’s DH was having an affair with a woman he met at a bar. He drained his 401K paying for her rent and living expenses; when he took a second mortgage on the house and my sister got a copy of the paperwork in the mail and confronted him, he finally confessed. He’s been working two jobs for the last 10 years or so to pay back the second mortgage and try to scrape back some retirement savings before he retirees in a couple years. My sister stayed with him; I probably wouldn’t have.
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Post by susana1954 on Mar 19, 2022 18:56:42 GMT -5
I had a bf who worked for a company that got caught closing down in order to avoid paying pension benefits. They got sued, and the workers got a settlement that was really the pension benefits they accrued.
The bf and his then-wife spent all the money and "forgot" to declare it on their income taxes. He swore it was her fault--he just signed the tax return she prepared. Lol.
We were engaged but never got married. I was waiting for them to clean their mess up even though it was years later. I did loan him the money to work with a firm to do an "offer in compromise" or whatever it is called to the IRS. The bf never filled out the paperwork.
When we broke up, he still owed me that money. I set him up on a repayment plan that he stuck to. That's because I still visited regularly with his dad, and he knew I'd tell his dad that he owed me money.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Mar 19, 2022 19:12:14 GMT -5
I know it might be unpopular, but I can see doing this one. DH's employer gives out lots of vacation, but in the past kept everyone so busy they couldn't use it and definitely discouraged using it more than 1-2 weeks at a time. If he got a years severance and medical insurance, we would be going on some long vacations, while we are still young enough to enjoy them. I really want to plan a mini and early retirement like this. Take a year off when I'm 50 or so, plan on a 2nd year to look for a new job. Probably a pipe dream, but it sounds amazing. In "A Simple Path to Wealth" by JL Colins, he encourages taking sabbaticals during your working career rather than striving to retire early. He said that's where the FU money comes in handy. He'd ask to take 6 months off and they'd laugh and he'd say, "ok I guess I'm done then", and they'd go "WAIT, no! We can work with you.".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 19:13:56 GMT -5
We switched financial advisors shortly before the Enron debacle. The new advisor told us he had recently interviewed with a potential client who had about 90% of his $$ in Enron stock. The advisor obviously suggested diversifying and the man looked at him and said, "Are you crazy? Did you see what the stock did today?" Sadly, you know where this story went.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Mar 19, 2022 19:15:58 GMT -5
Most of the stories I have are chronic bad decisions, not one major one, it's more like never saving for retirement, not even to the match, or if they do save they are treating it like a piggy bank and taking out loans against the balance constantly. I know LOTS of people like this. It annoys the hell out of me too because they're often griping about how they'll never be able to retire and it's usually the fault of the government somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 19:40:04 GMT -5
My older sister got down sized in her 40s and decided she wanted to go back to school to be a paralegal. Cashed out her 401K to live on and pay tuition for the 2 year program,. Got a job on graduation, worked for a few years, then at 50 decided she had ‘worked long enough’, plus where she lived was very cold in the morning and she was tired of getting up early, going out into the cold to start her car for warm up for a while. Headed into early retirement with zero pension, zero 401K, too young to get SS. She complained a lot that people where both spouses worked (like me) should give more money to people who didn’t work, like her., because they were ‘rolling in dough.’ Co worker put 100% of her 401K into our company stock. When I tried to talk her into a balanced portfolio to mitigate her risk, she said she trusted her co-workers to work hard and keep the company stock high. Company made a series of bad moves, had to declare bankruptcy, and got bought up by a competitor for pennys on the dollar. My other sister’s DH was having an affair with a woman he met at a bar. He drained his 401K paying for her rent and living expenses; when he took a second mortgage on the house and my sister got a copy of the paperwork in the mail and confronted him, he finally confessed. He’s been working two jobs for the last 10 years or so to pay back the second mortgage and try to scrape back some retirement savings before he retirees in a couple years. My sister stayed with him; I probably wouldn’t have. Well damn. I’m 50 and I feel like I’ve worked “long enough” lol. I don’t like getting up early (but I’d rather not work one of the other shifts either!) and I’d rather not have to leave home when it’s cold outside. I strongly dislike winter. And when the weather is nice, I’d rather play outside than work. But I keep doing it all anyway, because I like doing what I want to do, not what somebody else says I can and can not do because they are giving me money. I have a friend whose niece (who is just a few years younger than me) said we were the stupid ones for working. She said she’s never had a job and lived in a house (Section 8) and had a car, just like we did. That was years ago, when she had 3 minor children. They should be grown by now, and I wonder how it’s working out for her these days since most of the assistance and support she received was because she had minor children. I know another friend of a friend, that has quit a lot of jobs because she didn’t like them or she just didn’t feel like working anymore after a few months. Not quit for something better or even just another job, just quit until she felt like working again. Her long time BF, now husband, who is the father of her children, has always done random jobs, mostly for cash. They seem to be doing just fine and enjoying life. They travel and hang out and just have fun. Foreclosures and repossessed vehicles don’t seem to bother them enough to do anything different. They just move and get whatever car they can. She’s a nice enough person and I don’t wish anything bad on her, but I wonder what things will be like when they get older or if he gets sick or something and can’t hustle up money like he is use to doing. I doubt either of them will even qualify for much, if anything in SS, and they are clearly not good at saving money. A part of me wishes I could live like that, just because it looks nice and fun on the outside looking in, but the lack of stability and the uncertainty on a regular basis and for the future (not that my future is set in stone and guaranteed to be great) makes that lifestyle a hard no for me, regardless of how enjoyable it might look on the surface. I’d rather just take my stupid ass to work, at my stupid job.
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Post by dannylion on Mar 19, 2022 20:08:37 GMT -5
Former colleague became convinced Y2K would trigger wars and the "end times," so he quit his federal job to move his family (wife and 5 children) to rural Tennessee to live in a cabin someone in his church owned on top of a mountain basically in the middle of nowhere. They were going to live rent-free because the owner, who had recently inherited it, just wanted someone to make sure it wasn't taken over by squatters or destroyed by bears or something. He had been in communication with another member of the same Pentacostal denomination who had moved his family out of a suburban area to a rural area and had started a lawn-care business, employing his children. He claimed to be doing well. Colleague thought that sounded like a wonderful idea, so he was going to do that, too. Of course, the person claiming to be doing well with that plan lived in a rural area conveniently close to an affluent suburban area (I think in Kansas or Missouri), so he was able to find clients for his lawncare business. Colleague did not take into account the fact that his "free" cabin was far away from any suburban or other area where he could reasonably expect to find clients for his lawn-care business. Also, he, too planned to run the company with his kids, the oldest of which at the time was 8. He sold his house but didn't get much out of it since he owed nearly as much as it was worth and took off for the safety of rural Tennessee to ride out the end times while running what was going to be a lucrative lawn-care business. Employing his very young children. It worked out about as well as one might have expected. The "free" house turned out to have no running water or electricity. He never got the business going. Then the owner of his "free" cabin decided to sell it, so they packed up and left for Virginia where they moved in with his wife's parents. He was astonished that his former employer was not interested in rehiring him. The last I heard of him several years ago he was working for Home Depot and had 7 children by then and was living in a house provided by his father-in-law. He was too young to claim whatever minimal retirement benefits, if any, he might have accrued since he hadn't been working in the federal job terribly long, and he had never contributed anything to the federal Thrift Savings Plan (I know that because he was quite vocal about his refusal to have anything to do with it because of ... reasons).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 20:18:56 GMT -5
I need to bookmark this thread so I can read it whenever I feel some type of way thinking about my money mistakes. Because
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Post by MN-Investor on Mar 19, 2022 21:00:29 GMT -5
There was a long thread at Bogleheads back in October 2014 about a company that was possibly going to make sapphire glass for iPhones. It ended up that they didn't and the stock crashed very quickly. It was amazing reading about the folks who put ALL of their money into the stock. An article about the situation - The Bogleheads thread on the situation -
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Post by Cookies Galore on Mar 19, 2022 21:25:51 GMT -5
I've got a friend who is buying an ice cream shop in the tiny town she lives in. I'll let you know how it goes, but I'm really skeptical. She's a sharp lady, but I doubt she's done much due diligence at all. I will say, I'm a big fan of my literally tiny (0.8 sq mi) town's locally owned ice cream shop. I will keep her in business if I have to! Lol
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Post by bookkeeper on Mar 19, 2022 21:43:08 GMT -5
My sister in law has worked for three airlines. Ridden each job to bankruptcy. After you lost your first retirement, wouldn't you transition to something more secure? Nope, laid off at age 60 and it took over a year to find another job. She is a saver, so she will live within her means. But, wow, her lifestyle is easily half what it was working for airline #1 or #2.
If she hadn't cashed out some of her company stock with airline #2 she wouldn't own the house she lives in now. Sometimes what looks like a poor decision turns out be the best thing you could have done.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 19, 2022 22:01:32 GMT -5
I've got a friend who is buying an ice cream shop in the tiny town she lives in. I'll let you know how it goes, but I'm really skeptical. She's a sharp lady, but I doubt she's done much due diligence at all. I will say, I'm a big fan of my literally tiny (0.8 sq mi) town's locally owned ice cream shop. I will keep her in business if I have to! Lol Thanks! Lol. I think staffing will be her main issue. I suspect she'll be working way more hours herself than she expects to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 7:35:17 GMT -5
I could tell you many train-wreck stories about my Ex but here's one of the most colorful. He found a 1956 (maybe 1957) Corvette for sale through a friend for $13,000. This was maybe 1996. We took out an HELOC to buy it- there was plenty of equity in the house. He loved that thing but less than a year later he got in a wreck with it. It wasn't even anything dramatic- just driving around town at a moderate speed and I think he was even sober. No one was hurt. It was taking FOREVER for the body shop to complete the work. The Ex always had an excuse. The owner was personally doing the work. It took 5 coats of paint and each had to dry. Yadda, yadda. I was busy trying to hold down a job (he didn't have one) and we were in the process of divorce so I let it go. Eventually I got suspicious and called the body shop. There was a pregnant pause. The Ex had told them to do whatever it took to bring it to pristine condition, made a partial payment and then ghosted them. I called the insurance company about the claim; they'd cut a check for $8,000. Funny- I'd never seen it. Turned out the Ex forged my name, deposited it, paid $5,000 to the body shop and kept the rest. I could have gotten more out of him in the divorce for all that- the HELOC balance reduced the equity in the house- but I was just glad to get rid of him. The body shop got title to the car. Years later, DS expressed curiosity as to what happened to the car- he worked in insurance so could have looked up the VIN. I contacted the actuary at the former insurer and asked, making it clear that I didn't want him to violate any laws finding in the VIN. He responded that he didn't have access to records that old. We'll never know.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Mar 20, 2022 8:49:24 GMT -5
Does not staying married to someone who eventually inherited around $3,000,000 from parents. I just felt like I would be a high class hooker for hanging for another 17 yrs just to get money. Nah, not a bad financial just a keep my sanity decision.
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