Results of the Texas abortion law

[happyhoix]

This thread is not to talk about abortion - just the effects of the Texas abortion law. 


So far, the data shows a 60% reduction in abortions in Texas since the new law went into effect. Great, right? 

Well, not quite - 50% of the reduction is actually from women leaving Texas to have the procedure done somewhere else. The true reduction is 10% - and that’s just as we expected, falling on the less wealthy women who couldn’t afford to travel.  So the number of abortions hasn’t changed much. 

Also bad news - the second Texas abortion law intended to criminalize sending the pill that can be taken within the first few weeks of pregnancy isn’t working at all. In fact, there’s been a big increase in the number of Texas women using them. Guess it’s tricky to find out if a woman is getting those drugs though the mail when it’s a federal crime to tamper with the mail. Plus out of state providers of the pills aren’t too worried about Texas arresting them. 

Sorry Texas, your law seems to be mostly a flop. Time to find a carrot, rather than a stick. 

www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-medication-abortion-pill-ban-ineffective/

[happyhoix]

moon/Laura

I accidentally posted this in military, can you move to Political?

Sorry.

[Tennesseer]

Happyhoix: you can also 'Report' your thread. Ask the mods to move it. Moom might not be checking the boards tonight. Any mod can move it.

[moon/Laura]

I got notified of the tag (for a change). All good!

[happyhoix]

Tennessee is now advancing a bill that would ban getting abortion pills by mail. You have to go talk to a doctor, then go away, then come back again to get them from the doctor, who is the only person who can hand them out (pharmacy can’t.)

How will they know about/ stop someone from New York sending some to Tennessee?

Open everyone’s mail?

Dogs trained to smell the drugs in every post office?

[djAdvocate]

like many laws conservatives draft, this one is on a collision course with reality.

[haapai]

I've always suspected that the ineffectiveness was deliberate.  You get to score the political points but the law is so blatantly unconstitutional or easy to circumvent that it will not affect your own family. 

[djAdvocate]

there is a concerted effort to get this in front of the Supremes before the 50th anniversary of RvW.

[bean29]

I think Roe V. Wade will be overturned.  We will see.  Don't they already have the votes to overturn it.  That is why they left that Texas Law stand.

[pulmonarymd]

Might as well have it overturned. Really turn it into an election issue. Also let all those who want it overturned to deal with the consequences of their beliefs. This needs to be settled one way or another. The status quo does not help anyone anymore, it just allows one issue conservatives to get all worked up about it. Might as well overturn Griswold vs Connecticut and Loving vs Virginia. Let's go all the way back to the 1950s

[Rukh O'Rorke]

but it's not an election issue, it's a supreme court issue.

[pulmonarymd]

Which was an election issue for conservatives. They voted for these clowns knowing they would put us in this situation by appointing these justices, so they can get their result. If people had voted for Hilary instead of the fantasy that there was no difference between the candidates, and put as much emphasis on voting so we wouldn't get these Supreme Court justices, we wouldn't be having this problem.

By overturning Roe, it now goes back to the states, who then can pass laws to restrict abortion. It will then clearly be an election issue. People need to vote or vote with their feet to get the laws they want. Too many people thought this would never happen, so they voted republican for lower taxes or whatever other reason, resulting in a situation where Roe is in danger.

[djAdvocate]

i don't actually agree with pmd on this issue, but i agree with the logic & thinking.

[happyhoix]

Apr 5, 2022 14:43:03 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Might as well have it overturned. Really turn it into an election issue. Also let all those who want it overturned to deal with the consequences of their beliefs. This needs to be settled one way or another. The status quo does not help anyone anymore, it just allows one issue conservatives to get all worked up about it. Might as well overturn Griswold vs Connecticut and Loving vs Virginia. Let's go all the way back to the 1950s

If it does get repealed it will be like Prohibition. The prohibition ladies thought if men couldn’t get access to alcohol they would go to church, support their wives and children and become good family men.

Instead, rot gut killed or blinded a lot of people, the mob took over the liquor distribution industry, and the elites still had easy access to booze if they wanted it.

If Roe vs Wade goes away, abortions will just go under ground. The day after pill will become even more popular and easy to get from illegal sources, who will get very rich.

We won’t be going back to the 50s, that’s for sure

[Tiny]

Apr 5, 2022 16:04:17 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

 By overturning Roe, it now goes back to the states, who then can pass laws to restrict abortion. It will then clearly be an election issue. People need to vote or vote with their feet to get the laws they want. Too many people thought this would never happen, so they voted republican for lower taxes or whatever other reason, resulting in a situation where Roe is in danger.

And if Roe is overturned it further divides the States.   

A handful of States that are pre-emptively banning abortions are already looking at ways to keep their citizens from crossing state lines in order to get to an abortion clinic.   
Once the Red states ban abortions THEY will be going after the states that haven't banned them. 

It's Red state versus Blue State.   

It's 100% political. 
 

[pulmonarymd]

See, I don’t think it changes things that much. This has been a divisive issue for 50 years. The right wing has been mailing it forever. They have had the best of all worlds. They could use it to motivate people, and it was legal so it remained a hot topic for them. This is what they have been working towards for a long time. As long as Roe was legal, people could vote for these assholes and not worry about the fallout. I think it is time to realize that it is over. They should deal with the fallout.

In the long run, we need to come to a political compromise on this issue. Unfortunately, people are going to be hurt until we get there. And make no mistake, it needs to be kept legal, but I think we have hit the point of no return at a National level

[thyme4change]

Apr 5, 2022 15:41:20 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

but it's not an election issue, it's a supreme court issue.

Not really. Overturning Roe doesn't suddenly make abortion federally illegal. It just pushes the issue down to the states. If you elect pro-birth candidates for your state legislature, they will create laws that make abortion illegal. If you elect pro-choice candidates, they will create laws that protect abortion. This has been a 30 year war to bounce Roe so the states can reign. Unfortunately, the Republicans have been so much better at winning local and statewide races. The dems really shit the bed on that.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 6, 2022 18:37:43 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Apr 5, 2022 15:41:20 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

but it's not an election issue, it's a supreme court issue.

Not really. Overturning Roe doesn't suddenly make abortion federally illegal. It just pushes the issue down to the states. If you elect pro-birth candidates for your state legislature, they will create laws that make abortion illegal. If you elect pro-choice candidates, they will create laws that protect abortion. This has been a 30 year war to bounce Roe so the states can reign. Unfortunately, the Republicans have been so much better at winning local and statewide races. The dems really shit the bed on that.

in other words, if you are lucky enough to live in a blue state, it won't change anything.

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 7, 2022 11:04:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 6, 2022 18:37:43 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Not really. Overturning Roe doesn't suddenly make abortion federally illegal. It just pushes the issue down to the states. If you elect pro-birth candidates for your state legislature, they will create laws that make abortion illegal. If you elect pro-choice candidates, they will create laws that protect abortion. This has been a 30 year war to bounce Roe so the states can reign. Unfortunately, the Republicans have been so much better at winning local and statewide races. The dems really shit the bed on that.

in other words, if you are lucky enough to live in a blue state, it won't change anything.

Correct, it will go back to states. I bet it will be really hard to know where it will be illegal😳. Looks like the will go after same sex marriage. After that, maybe go after griswold, so we can make contraceptives illegal too!

[dondub]

Apr 7, 2022 13:09:01 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Apr 7, 2022 11:04:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

in other words, if you are lucky enough to live in a blue state, it won't change anything.

Correct, it will go back to states. I bet it will be really hard to know where it will be illegal😳. Looks like the will go after same sex marriage. After that, maybe go after griswold, so we can make contraceptives illegal too!

Just outlaw sex without matrimony and be done with it!🧟‍♂️

[justme]

Apr 6, 2022 18:37:43 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Apr 5, 2022 15:41:20 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

but it's not an election issue, it's a supreme court issue.

Not really. Overturning Roe doesn't suddenly make abortion federally illegal. It just pushes the issue down to the states. If you elect pro-birth candidates for your state legislature, they will create laws that make abortion illegal. If you elect pro-choice candidates, they will create laws that protect abortion. This has been a 30 year war to bounce Roe so the states can reign. Unfortunately, the Republicans have been so much better at winning local and statewide races. The dems really shit the bed on that.

And this is the exact fucking reason why they've turned me into a one issue voter.. I wish I didn't have to be, but unfortunately when I refuse to vote for someone anti choice then I only have one option.

I have the money and the means to go where I need to, hell I have several people in Canada to help me if I go up there. But so many don't so I vote for them... and hope some day I can do something besides vote against misogynistic assholes.

[thyme4change]

Apr 7, 2022 21:03:56 GMT -5 dondub said:

Apr 7, 2022 13:09:01 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Correct, it will go back to states. I bet it will be really hard to know where it will be illegal😳. Looks like the will go after same sex marriage. After that, maybe go after griswold, so we can make contraceptives illegal too!

Just outlaw sex without matrimony and be done with it!🧟‍♂️

And start by prosecuting rich white politicians.