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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 11, 2022 14:21:26 GMT -5
Obviously written by people who have extensive medical knowledge. . .and intimate knowledge of having a uterus. Republicans really are just about scoring political points anymore aren't they? Common sense God gave a rock would tell you this is stupid and the only reason you would be even suggesting is to appeal to you rabid conservative Christian base who probably still don't know how babies are made let alone what an ectopic pregnancy is.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 11, 2022 14:29:42 GMT -5
But I am sure they will want to give everyone ivermectin!
How about asking people who are experts in the field about the need for these procedures before showing people how dumb and cruel you are. A procedure for an ectopic pregnancy is as mush an abortion as a carrot is a baby. Just stop with this insanity.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 11, 2022 15:07:26 GMT -5
Missouri:
William Todd Akin (July 5, 1947 – October 3, 2021) was an American politician who served as the U.S. representative for Missouri's 2nd congressional district from 2001 to 2013. He was a member of the Republican Party. Born in New York City, Akin grew up in the Greater St. Louis area. After receiving his bachelor's degree from Worcester Polytechnic Institute in Massachusetts, Akin served in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and worked in the computer and steel industries. In 1988, he was elected to the Missouri House of Representatives. He served in the state house until 2000, when he was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, in which he served until 2013.
Akin's Congressional career ended after he lost a bid to unseat Democratic U.S. Senator Claire McCaskill in the 2012 election. Akin, who had won the Republican primary in a crowded field, led McCaskill in pre-election polls until he said that women who are victims of what he called "legitimate rape" rarely get pregnant. Akin eventually apologized for the remark but rebuffed calls to withdraw from the election.[1] He lost to McCaskill, 54.7 percent to 39.2 percent.[2] In a book published in July 2014, Akin defended his original comments and said he regretted having apologized.[3]
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Post by busymom on Mar 11, 2022 15:26:12 GMT -5
Apparently, Missouri didn't kill enough of their residents with Covid. Now they want to kill off ever woman who has the misfortune to have an ectopic pregnancy. What is it about Republicans & their murder fantasies? Is it the power to kill people off that gets them high?
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Post by steff on Mar 11, 2022 15:34:37 GMT -5
The stupidity & hubris of men is still killing women. They've been killing us off since the dawn of time. If they can't treat us as property then they'll just keep killing us off.
3 Republican candidates for AG of Michigan all want to ban birth control if elected. All 3 are men.
fuck em all
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Post by dondub on Mar 11, 2022 15:53:31 GMT -5
As I schooled the Dubettes along the way. “Men can be assholes. First off make sure you are an independent financial entity. Second, be careful.”
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Post by wvugurl26 on Mar 11, 2022 15:59:50 GMT -5
How about politicians stay the f*ck out of medical decisions? You don't have a medical degree, no say for you.
As much as I don't like this tax happy state, at least there aren't morons putting forth laws like this.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 11, 2022 16:16:49 GMT -5
How about politicians stay the f*ck out of medical decisions? You don't have a medical degree, no say for you. As much as I don't like this tax happy state, at least there aren't morons putting forth laws like this. As much as I agree with you, we apparently elect and appoint morons with medical degrees to positions of authority. Physicians in Congress have been idiots(I am talking about you Rand Paul), and as Surgeon Generals(you Dr Lapado, who I still wonder if he graduated from medical school). They are far out of the mainstream, yet, because they have MD after their name, they are looked at as knowledgeable. A few years ago, an OB/GYN from Georgia, who was a chemistry major, called evolution garbage.
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Post by busymom on Mar 11, 2022 16:33:09 GMT -5
Yup, sadly in our country, the bottom half of the class of those choosing to be doctors, still get the title of "doctor". But the politicians seem to have elevated themselves to the title of "god". Only they get to decide who lives, and who dies. Apparently, the combination of a dead fetus AND a dead woman means nothing to them.
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Post by busymom on Mar 11, 2022 16:34:19 GMT -5
As I schooled the Dubettes along the way. “Men can be assholes. First off make sure you are an independent financial entity. Second, be careful.” I am happy to report that most of the men I have met over the years are kind, decent human beings. Unfortunately, those who get into positions of power tend to be the other type.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 11, 2022 16:45:51 GMT -5
Yup, sadly in our country, the bottom half of the class of those choosing to be doctors, still get the title of "doctor". But the politicians seem to have elevated themselves to the title of "god". Only they get to decide who lives, and who dies. Apparently, the combination of a dead fetus AND a dead woman means nothing to them. That trope gets a little worn. Most people who get into medical school deserve to be their based on their intelligence. There are very few to no legacy and that type of admissions. You can argue that other people who were rejected should have been admitted in their place. Organic chemistry is the weed out course, and is not easy. I would argue that it isn't a lack of intelligence that is the issue. I have worked with many "book smart" people who are excellent researchers, and smart in ways I am not, but are not good physicians, while their classmates who were in the bottom half of the class, who will never make an earth shattering discovery or make an obscure diagnosis, are excellent physicians. Many smart people cannot communicate with patients, deal with uncertainty, put together puzzling symptoms, listen, etc. Those are the areas we need to focus on if we want to improve the overall quality of physicians. It is rare to interact with someone who went to medical school and come away with the idea that they had no business being a physician based on intelligence. Now Lapado, I have serious questions about.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Mar 11, 2022 17:04:40 GMT -5
While it looks like the Florida Surgeon General is indeed a moron and an asshole, wouldn't have Harvard disclaimed him by now?
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Post by busymom on Mar 11, 2022 17:06:44 GMT -5
Yup, sadly in our country, the bottom half of the class of those choosing to be doctors, still get the title of "doctor". But the politicians seem to have elevated themselves to the title of "god". Only they get to decide who lives, and who dies. Apparently, the combination of a dead fetus AND a dead woman means nothing to them. That trope gets a little worn. Most people who get into medical school deserve to be their based on their intelligence. There are very few to no legacy and that type of admissions. You can argue that other people who were rejected should have been admitted in their place. Organic chemistry is the weed out course, and is not easy. I would argue that it isn't a lack of intelligence that is the issue. I have worked with many "book smart" people who are excellent researchers, and smart in ways I am not, but are not good physicians, while their classmates who were in the bottom half of the class, who will never make an earth shattering discovery or make an obscure diagnosis, are excellent physicians. Many smart people cannot communicate with patients, deal with uncertainty, put together puzzling symptoms, listen, etc. Those are the areas we need to focus on if we want to improve the overall quality of physicians. It is rare to interact with someone who went to medical school and come away with the idea that they had no business being a physician based on intelligence. Now Lapado, I have serious questions about. If you've ever had a bad doctor, that's why my opinion isn't high of those who finish their studies, and have the title, but don't put effort into their everyday practice. In fact, I lost 2 close relatives to the same doctor who misdiagnosed cancer in both of them. Those are the type who don't deserve to ever have another patient. It makes me question whether they wanted to be doctors in the first place, or if mommy & daddy pushed them towards that career.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 11, 2022 17:14:37 GMT -5
That trope gets a little worn. Most people who get into medical school deserve to be their based on their intelligence. There are very few to no legacy and that type of admissions. You can argue that other people who were rejected should have been admitted in their place. Organic chemistry is the weed out course, and is not easy. I would argue that it isn't a lack of intelligence that is the issue. I have worked with many "book smart" people who are excellent researchers, and smart in ways I am not, but are not good physicians, while their classmates who were in the bottom half of the class, who will never make an earth shattering discovery or make an obscure diagnosis, are excellent physicians. Many smart people cannot communicate with patients, deal with uncertainty, put together puzzling symptoms, listen, etc. Those are the areas we need to focus on if we want to improve the overall quality of physicians. It is rare to interact with someone who went to medical school and come away with the idea that they had no business being a physician based on intelligence. Now Lapado, I have serious questions about. If you've ever had a bad doctor, that's why my opinion isn't high of those who finish their studies, and have the title, but don't put effort into their everyday practice. In fact, I lost 2 close relatives to the same doctor who misdiagnosed cancer in both of them. Those are the type who don't deserve to ever have another patient. It makes me question whether they wanted to be doctors in the first place, or if mommy & daddy pushed them towards that career. That is different than intelligence. I have seen my share of bad doctors. Most are either lazy, no longer care, focused on churning patients, or burnt out/don't like being a doctor/never wanted to be a doctor. Rarely do you see their incompetence as a result of lack of intelligence. The bar for admission is too high. Making a diagnosis is not as easy as people want to believe. Physicians, like everyone else, are human and make mistakes. We have not done a good job of rooting out the ones who are dangerous and bad. We need to do better. But, there is a doctor shortage in this country, and if you truly believe the bottom half of all medical school classes are not qualified, we are in big trouble, as we need to train more doctors.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 11, 2022 17:16:02 GMT -5
pmd- are you finally breathing a sigh of relief, or are you too shellshocked over covid to go there?
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Post by Opti on Mar 11, 2022 17:25:38 GMT -5
Yup, sadly in our country, the bottom half of the class of those choosing to be doctors, still get the title of "doctor". But the politicians seem to have elevated themselves to the title of "god". Only they get to decide who lives, and who dies. Apparently, the combination of a dead fetus AND a dead woman means nothing to them. Exactly, there is no win in this. None.
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Post by Opti on Mar 11, 2022 17:28:11 GMT -5
That trope gets a little worn. Most people who get into medical school deserve to be their based on their intelligence. There are very few to no legacy and that type of admissions. You can argue that other people who were rejected should have been admitted in their place. Organic chemistry is the weed out course, and is not easy. I would argue that it isn't a lack of intelligence that is the issue. I have worked with many "book smart" people who are excellent researchers, and smart in ways I am not, but are not good physicians, while their classmates who were in the bottom half of the class, who will never make an earth shattering discovery or make an obscure diagnosis, are excellent physicians. Many smart people cannot communicate with patients, deal with uncertainty, put together puzzling symptoms, listen, etc. Those are the areas we need to focus on if we want to improve the overall quality of physicians. It is rare to interact with someone who went to medical school and come away with the idea that they had no business being a physician based on intelligence. Now Lapado, I have serious questions about. If you've ever had a bad doctor, that's why my opinion isn't high of those who finish their studies, and have the title, but don't put effort into their everyday practice. In fact, I lost 2 close relatives to the same doctor who misdiagnosed cancer in both of them. Those are the type who don't deserve to ever have another patient. It makes me question whether they wanted to be doctors in the first place, or if mommy & daddy pushed them towards that career. I'm sorry Busymom. I do believe there are those pushed to be doctors by parent and relatives who would be happier doing something else. Luckily I haven't met many bad doctors, although I hate when you meet one that is so into their way at looking at the universe they will not listen to you.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 11, 2022 17:58:39 GMT -5
pmd- are you finally breathing a sigh of relief, or are you too shellshocked over covid to go there? We are no longer inundated with Covid patients. Positivity rate is 2-3 percent, hospitalizations down by 90%. Not to say this wasn’t awful. My partners and I can only remember 2 patients who required ventilators surviving this surge. Too much needless suffering and death. We are all worn out. She’ll shocked is a good description of how we feel, hopefully get a break until fall. No longer all Covid all the time. Unfortunately, we still have to plan and be vigilant, apparently this is our new normal
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Post by moon/Laura on Mar 11, 2022 18:30:24 GMT -5
I wonder what these politicians would say/do if it were THEIR wife with an ectopic pregnancy. Take her to another state for treatment once they realize this is serious shit?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 11, 2022 18:33:17 GMT -5
the rules don't apply to them, moon. you know that. rules are for the little people.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 11, 2022 18:34:58 GMT -5
Time to bring back and modernize an underground railroad. Help the women and their families deal with medical issues facing these women.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 11, 2022 19:32:32 GMT -5
Unfortunately, if bills like this pass, it will require someone “important” having a serious complication or dying for them to change the law
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Post by Tiny on Mar 11, 2022 19:49:25 GMT -5
Unfortunately, if bills like this pass, it will require someone “important” having a serious complication or dying for them to change the law And it will take all the "little people" who had bad outcomes because of the laws to come forward when that "important" person steps out into the light...
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Post by haapai on Mar 11, 2022 19:56:43 GMT -5
Make that goes into the light.
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Post by busymom on Mar 11, 2022 20:11:12 GMT -5
I wonder what these politicians would say/do if it were THEIR wife with an ectopic pregnancy. Take her to another state for treatment once they realize this is serious shit? Or another country. I remember someone, possibly a college prof, mentioning that during the years that abortion wasn't legal in the US, a lot of rich women would get "sudden" vacations to Europe.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 11, 2022 20:20:41 GMT -5
No, ectopic pregnancies are usually an emergency, so going somewhere else is usually not an option. Having to go to another hospital frequently leads to a poor outcome. Do, if this passes, the wife or daughter of someone important will have a bad outcome
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Post by countrygirl2 on Mar 11, 2022 20:25:57 GMT -5
Damn sad and crazy. I can only imagine the horrible suffering of a woman in that condition. I don't know what to think anymore. I'm so happy I'm beyond child bearing age and I fear for those women that are not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 20:43:48 GMT -5
I thought Republicans were the ones that wanted smaller government? They seem mighty interested in passing a bunch of laws governing people’s personal lives and freedom, which looks like a lot of unnecessary, intrusive government to me…….. so maybe I’m misunderstanding something.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 11, 2022 21:04:29 GMT -5
I thought Republicans were the ones that wanted smaller government? They seem mighty interested in passing a bunch of laws governing people’s personal lives and freedom, which looks like a lot of unnecessary, intrusive government to me…….. so maybe I’m misunderstanding something. Republicans only want smaller Democratic party governments.
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