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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2022 11:48:43 GMT -5
Its an invasion, from 3 sides and hitting targets right across the Ukraine. I've no idea what your news media are talking about........ How can you make an informed decision if you choice of news media has no idea what is going on. Watch the BBC they have got people in Kyiv and Moscow. If you are referring to Fox "News" as news media, please don't. They are Entertainment. They have said so in court. Unfortunately that "News" in their name confuses many people. Unfortunately, trump supporters pretty much only watch Fox for their news. One of our posters is always bragging how Fox's evening 'news' shows beat all the other cable news shows in TV ratings.
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Post by Opti on Feb 25, 2022 11:55:53 GMT -5
They do, they have been doing quite well in the face of overwhelming opposition 450 Russian dead 3 jets down. I know we gave them stingers ... I don't know what the US gave them but should imagine it was similar. Still it may be over in a few days...... China isn't pleased and is pushing for a diplomatic solution.....in Minsk I think they said. I don't think it will be quick. Stephen Colbert had a journalist on the show. I think she was either Ukranian or Russian and likely 40 yrs old or younger. She reminded the audience that Ukraine really has only seen two decades of democracy. And she gave her best scenario as Ukraine letting Putin and the Russians come in, install a puppet government and then Russians would basically leave instead of occupying. Colbert was incredulous. This is the happy scenario? I think I agree with her if you are talking loss of life and how long the conflict goes on. I don't think it is going to play that way. Putin seems to be thinking too much like Trump to me. If so, he will dig in his heels and refuse to leave even when militarily or politically he should.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 25, 2022 12:03:19 GMT -5
If you are referring to Fox "News" as news media, please don't. They are Entertainment. They have said so in court. Unfortunately that "News" in their name confuses many people. Unfortunately, trump supporters pretty much only watch Fox for their news. One of our posters is always bragging how Fox's evening 'news' shows beat all the other cable news shows in TV ratings. Fox is king with older viewers mostly because it’s the only far right news channel. Newsmax is competitive during Trump rallies ((no one else covers those) but that’s it. Doesn’t really matter as cable news is dying as people switch to streaming services. Not sure where they get their news. The Colbert show maybe.
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Post by busymom on Feb 25, 2022 12:11:53 GMT -5
I heard some stories that came from my great uncle during the occupation of Norway during WWII. And some of what happened was so awful that he wouldn't tell us. I wouldn't wish what happened to the Norwegians on ANY country. Being neutral does NOT work in your favor if the aggressor decides he could benefit by taking over your country. And, frankly, I don't believe Putin will stop at Ukraine, but that's JMHO.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 25, 2022 12:39:58 GMT -5
Unfortunately, trump supporters pretty much only watch Fox for their news. One of our posters is always bragging how Fox's evening 'news' shows beat all the other cable news shows in TV ratings. Fox is king with older viewers mostly because it’s the only far right news channel. Newsmax is competitive during Trump rallies ((no one else covers those) but that’s it. Doesn’t really matter as cable news is dying as people switch to streaming services. Not sure where they get their news. The Colbert show maybe. I read my news. You get more information that way, and it's not so carefully curated to fit into sound bites.
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Post by hurley1980 on Feb 25, 2022 12:56:08 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude to anyone but stop worrying and wringing your hands about Iron Curtains and the likes! Putin just wants to protect his/Russian territory, sphere of influence. We, as in the mighty US, really like sticking a finger in anyones and everyone’s business! Former communist block fell in 1989 and US worked tirelessly into bringing any and all countries that were independent from Soviet Union, into the fold of NATO. Why? How would the Americans feel if the Chinese and Russians come to Mexico and Canada and through ways and means(meaning insane amounts of money, investment, bribery) they assert they’re influence and control on those two countries and become military alies? Then to make it better, they install some of those land to air missile complexes that would put in range any and all major population centers! Do you think that the US would sit idly by and let it unfold the way it may? Honest opinions! I'm sorry, but I think worrying about the good people of Ukraine, who are just trying to live their lives, and have done nothing wrong, is only human. Some of us have empathy and compassion. This is the largest invasion since WW2, and that could be terrifying for the world, not just eastern Europe.
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Post by Opti on Feb 25, 2022 12:58:39 GMT -5
Unfortunately, trump supporters pretty much only watch Fox for their news. One of our posters is always bragging how Fox's evening 'news' shows beat all the other cable news shows in TV ratings. Fox is king with older viewers mostly because it’s the only far right news channel. Newsmax is competitive during Trump rallies ((no one else covers those) but that’s it. Doesn’t really matter as cable news is dying as people switch to streaming services. Not sure where they get their news. The Colbert show maybe. Radio did not die with the transition to TV. It's still there, but what it does is different. If I am in a certain area of central NJ, I listen to PBS. They cover stories most other outlets I check out, do not. Tonight shows and their hosts have to stay topical. I use the Colbert show and sometimes others as a jumping off point. Its unwise to see them as mere entertainment IMO compared to Fox opinion hosts. Colbert is active in politics and has political leaders on often. His mentor frequently went before Congress for various hearings to give opinions and direct legislation to a more nuanced tone. I miss when I did the contract job at Princeton library. One of the perks was having access to the NY Times for free. I read other papers as well including the Princeton Tiger or whatever it was called, but some newspapers are far superior to what you are going to find on any streaming service. Feel free to prove me wrong though. I don't have the $$ to subscribe, but my local library does get an assortment of newspapers should I want to stop by and read them.
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Post by Opti on Feb 25, 2022 13:01:31 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude to anyone but stop worrying and wringing your hands about Iron Curtains and the likes! Putin just wants to protect his/Russian territory, sphere of influence. We, as in the mighty US, really like sticking a finger in anyones and everyone’s business! Former communist block fell in 1989 and US worked tirelessly into bringing any and all countries that were independent from Soviet Union, into the fold of NATO. Why? How would the Americans feel if the Chinese and Russians come to Mexico and Canada and through ways and means(meaning insane amounts of money, investment, bribery) they assert they’re influence and control on those two countries and become military alies? Then to make it better, they install some of those land to air missile complexes that would put in range any and all major population centers! Do you think that the US would sit idly by and let it unfold the way it may? Honest opinions! I'm sorry, but I think worrying about the good people of Ukraine, who are just trying to live their lives, and have done nothing wrong, is only human. Some of us have empathy and compassion. This is the largest invasion since WW2, and that could be terrifying for the world, not just eastern Europe. I expect more local Ukrainians on NJ 12 including interviews from various Ukrainian churches. I have no idea how many there are as a percent of the population, but they are here and understandably worried. They will push the federal govt to do something.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 25, 2022 13:10:29 GMT -5
The world sat back and watched Hitler and we know how that worked out. Yes, there was a war. Should we get an earlier jump on one this time? I think OMK was more referring to the chronology of events at the time and the risk that we could be seeing a similar series of events. You might want to look at all that happened prior to the start of WWII with the invasion of Poland thelatinlibrary.com/imperialism/notes/hitlerchron.html
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 25, 2022 13:14:45 GMT -5
Yes, there was a war. Should we get an earlier jump on one this time? I think OMK was more referring to the chronology of events at the time and the risk that we could be seeing a similar series of events. You might want to look at all that happened prior to the start of WWII with the invasion of Poland thelatinlibrary.com/imperialism/notes/hitlerchron.html If he was, then yes we should.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 25, 2022 13:32:12 GMT -5
Unfortunately, trump supporters pretty much only watch Fox for their news. One of our posters is always bragging how Fox's evening 'news' shows beat all the other cable news shows in TV ratings. Fox is king with older viewers mostly because it’s the only far right news channel. Newsmax is competitive during Trump rallies ((no one else covers those) but that’s it. Doesn’t really matter as cable news is dying as people switch to streaming services. Not sure where they get their news. The Colbert show maybe. did you read the latest media study? FOX viewers are less informed than those that watch NO NEWS AT ALL.
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Post by Opti on Feb 25, 2022 13:34:08 GMT -5
I feel like we are on various replays but different. One is 2014 & Crimea, and as OMK pointed out another is considerably earlier in the past.
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Post by mroped on Feb 25, 2022 14:10:53 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude to anyone but stop worrying and wringing your hands about Iron Curtains and the likes! Putin just wants to protect his/Russian territory, sphere of influence. We, as in the mighty US, really like sticking a finger in anyones and everyone’s business! Former communist block fell in 1989 and US worked tirelessly into bringing any and all countries that were independent from Soviet Union, into the fold of NATO. Why? How would the Americans feel if the Chinese and Russians come to Mexico and Canada and through ways and means(meaning insane amounts of money, investment, bribery) they assert they’re influence and control on those two countries and become military alies? Then to make it better, they install some of those land to air missile complexes that would put in range any and all major population centers! Do you think that the US would sit idly by and let it unfold the way it may? Honest opinions! I'm sorry, but I think worrying about the good people of Ukraine, who are just trying to live their lives, and have done nothing wrong, is only human. Some of us have empathy and compassion. This is the largest invasion since WW2, and that could be terrifying for the world, not just eastern Europe. Did you know that US is actively courting Ukraine to join NATO? Did you know that most of the economical development, military power that Ukraine holds, is due to funding and support directly from Russia? How do you think they got over 20 nuclear reactors and all the railroads? is an invasion the solution to the problem? No but I understand the Russians being ticked and just be told to go screw themselves! Most of Russian population doesn’t support this invasion. There are protests all over Russia. Many of those living in Ukraine are actually Russian born and raised, just moved to Ukraine for better opportunities! This was not an issue until we started meddling into the dynamic of the Russia-Ukraine relationship. if we really wanted peace in the world, we wouldn’t go after everyone and try to convince them that the Russians and Chinese are our enemies. Ofcourse, in a perfect world, they wouldn’t do it either but what are they to do? Sit idly by and allow everyone to point weapons at them or do something before that happens? The good people of Ukraine should learn from this and next time side step electing people that seek out personal interests and glory. But we all know that everyone makes the same mistake!
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 25, 2022 14:18:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I think worrying about the good people of Ukraine, who are just trying to live their lives, and have done nothing wrong, is only human. Some of us have empathy and compassion. This is the largest invasion since WW2, and that could be terrifying for the world, not just eastern Europe. Did you know that US is actively courting Ukraine to join NATO? Did you know that most of the economical development, military power that Ukraine holds, is due to funding and support directly from Russia? How do you think they got over 20 nuclear reactors and all the railroads? is an invasion the solution to the problem? No but I understand the Russians being ticked and just be told to go screw themselves! Most of Russian population doesn’t support this invasion. There are protests all over Russia. Many of those living in Ukraine are actually Russian born and raised, just moved to Ukraine for better opportunities! This was not an issue until we started meddling into the dynamic of the Russia-Ukraine relationship. if we really wanted peace in the world, we wouldn’t go after everyone and try to convince them that the Russians and Chinese are our enemies. Ofcourse, in a perfect world, they wouldn’t do it either but what are they to do? Sit idly by and allow everyone to point weapons at them or do something before that happens? The good people of Ukraine should learn from this and next time side step electing people that seek out personal interests and glory. But we all know that everyone makes the same mistake! even his own COUNCIL doesn't support it. it doesn't matter, of course. only Putin matters. little wonder Trump has a mancrush on him and his shirtless pony riding ass.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 25, 2022 14:40:11 GMT -5
Fox is king with older viewers mostly because it’s the only far right news channel. Newsmax is competitive during Trump rallies ((no one else covers those) but that’s it. Doesn’t really matter as cable news is dying as people switch to streaming services. Not sure where they get their news. The Colbert show maybe. did you read the latest media study? FOX viewers are less informed than those that watch NO NEWS AT ALL. So a silver lining for the death of cable news!
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 25, 2022 14:44:32 GMT -5
Russia is officially banned from participating in the Eurovision Song Contest in 2022.
(ABBA was launched on the world stage in the 1974 contest)
That’ll teach ‘em. 🙄
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 25, 2022 15:10:45 GMT -5
did you read the latest media study? FOX viewers are less informed than those that watch NO NEWS AT ALL. So a silver lining for the death of cable news! yes. the death of cable news will lead to a more informed society.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 25, 2022 15:28:48 GMT -5
did you read the latest media study? FOX viewers are less informed than those that watch NO NEWS AT ALL. So a silver lining for the death of cable news! Why is everyone focusing on FOX CABLE when the thread is about Putin and Ukraine? Just start another dead thread where 90% of the posters can rant a about FOX CABLE while they continue to destroy CNN and MSNBC in the ratings whether everyone here likes it or not. Just beating another
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2022 18:18:47 GMT -5
So a silver lining for the death of cable news! Why is everyone focusing on FOX CABLE when the thread is about Putin and Ukraine? Just start another dead thread where 90% of the posters can rant a about FOX CABLE while they continue to destroy CNN and MSNBC in the ratings whether everyone here likes it or not. Just beating another Need some tissues?
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Post by Opti on Feb 25, 2022 21:44:00 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I think worrying about the good people of Ukraine, who are just trying to live their lives, and have done nothing wrong, is only human. Some of us have empathy and compassion. This is the largest invasion since WW2, and that could be terrifying for the world, not just eastern Europe. Did you know that US is actively courting Ukraine to join NATO? Did you know that most of the economical development, military power that Ukraine holds, is due to funding and support directly from Russia? How do you think they got over 20 nuclear reactors and all the railroads? is an invasion the solution to the problem? No but I understand the Russians being ticked and just be told to go screw themselves! Most of Russian population doesn’t support this invasion. There are protests all over Russia. Many of those living in Ukraine are actually Russian born and raised, just moved to Ukraine for better opportunities! This was not an issue until we started meddling into the dynamic of the Russia-Ukraine relationship. if we really wanted peace in the world, we wouldn’t go after everyone and try to convince them that the Russians and Chinese are our enemies. Ofcourse, in a perfect world, they wouldn’t do it either but what are they to do? Sit idly by and allow everyone to point weapons at them or do something before that happens? The good people of Ukraine should learn from this and next time side step electing people that seek out personal interests and glory. But we all know that everyone makes the same mistake! May all be true, but it doesn't make Putin less dangerous or more in control. I feel like Putin has snapped now that Trump is no longer President. Or maybe he felt he could get all the airtime and feel like people were hopping to his demands. Putin and some Russians are our enemies. It's naive to think otherwise. To understand China is to understand its history. It is not a glorious generous peace filled history. There's a reason only a couple dynasties make it regularly into films. China is the biggest threat to our patents and our manufacturing. That is not friendly. To treat China as neutral is also to ignore the actions of China at the winter games and how it handled some journalists. The world is a tricky place. Doing a Trump and pretending Russia is our friend and saying it makes it so is past naive and reckless leadership of America ... I am losing words to describe it. And the good people of Russia re Putin? (the bolded)
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 25, 2022 23:33:09 GMT -5
Why is everyone focusing on FOX CABLE Need some tissues? out of concern for average Americans, and in response to #62. why is it that you are NOT focused on it? fine, then. i will start a thread on it. it is more about politics than current events, so i will start it here.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 25, 2022 23:36:57 GMT -5
out of concern for average Americans. why is it that you are NOT focused on it? fine, then. i will start a thread on it. it is more about politics than current events, so i will start it here. Damn. I thought you fucking blocked me! That lasted....what....three days?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2022 0:35:10 GMT -5
out of concern for average Americans. why is it that you are NOT focused on it? fine, then. i will start a thread on it. it is more about politics than current events, so i will start it here. Damn. I thought you fucking blocked me! That lasted....what....three days? He was quoting my post in where I quoted you. So your post showed. Blocking cannot fix that.
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Post by deminmaine on Feb 26, 2022 12:13:55 GMT -5
What a sad and scary mess. A few facts and opinions Ukraine is screwed, and the best they can hope for is a negotiated peace on Russian terms. Putin is a thug, and not as "savvy" as some suggest. If he were, he would have more effectively managed and controlled his "sphere of influence" prior to this disastrous step. This action is a gross violation of international norms that rocks the foundation of the world "order" and must be opposed as strongly as practically possible. Practical means not fighting Russia directly. Nuclear war is too high a cost. China, though aggrieved by the situation, stands to gain, as they often do. There are some savvy leaders. dictators. We did indeed overpress our advantage in E. Europe, and were not mindful of Russia's core security concerns, as Mr. Oped suggests. Having said that, Putin's reaction is mad. Keep your fingers crossed folks. The "fog of war" is a real thing, and we don't want this to go ballistic. Trump is a traitorous piece of garbage. That's all.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 26, 2022 12:30:59 GMT -5
I saw something that said the Taliban has issued a statement warning Russia and Ukraine to maintain peace. Is this true?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 26, 2022 12:47:19 GMT -5
I saw something that said the Taliban has issued a statement warning Russia and Ukraine to maintain peace. Is this true? Not sure about a "warning" but can't see the Taliban being excited about an expansionist Russia.
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