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Post by Opti on Feb 24, 2022 19:09:42 GMT -5
I don't think he cares, at least in the short term. When you have most of the money and resources and people are used to giving up theirs to you to keep you happy, IDK that a crash affects you all that much.
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Post by Opti on Feb 24, 2022 19:13:00 GMT -5
Anyone else wondering if Putin or some Russian bank is now Trump's lender of choice?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 24, 2022 19:21:14 GMT -5
I looks like Putin wants another iron curtain stretching from the Baltic down to the Black Sea....whether those Countries like it or not. Aside from Ukraine, he already has troops in Moldova (uninvited)...Belarus is supporting Russia, he has had a go at Georgia.... and even had a go at Kazakhstan (until the Chinese told him to leave) Finland is very worried right now.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 24, 2022 19:21:59 GMT -5
Thought this was a good article: Why would Russia want to take Chernobyl?“It’s a useless piece of real estate,” said a congressional aide who has been briefed by U.S. officials. “But if you want to take Kyiv fast, you go through Chernobyl.”
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 24, 2022 19:33:45 GMT -5
Thought this was a good article: Why would Russia want to take Chernobyl?“It’s a useless piece of real estate,” said a congressional aide who has been briefed by U.S. officials. “But if you want to take Kyiv fast, you go through Chernobyl.” in lead lined space suits?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 24, 2022 19:49:58 GMT -5
I'm a ham radio operator so I thought I'd share this from the Ukraine. We can usually get communications to/from areas during weather/national emergencies. American hams were only ordered off the air during WWI nd WWII.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 24, 2022 20:24:35 GMT -5
I looks like Putin wants another iron curtain stretching from the Baltic down to the Black Sea....whether those Countries like it or not. Aside from Ukraine, he already has troops in Moldova (uninvited)...Belarus is supporting Russia, he has had a go at Georgia.... and even had a go at Kazakhstan (until the Chinese told him to leave) Finland is very worried right now. Finland never joined NATO did they?
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Post by hurley1980 on Feb 24, 2022 20:32:22 GMT -5
I looks like Putin wants another iron curtain stretching from the Baltic down to the Black Sea....whether those Countries like it or not. Aside from Ukraine, he already has troops in Moldova (uninvited)...Belarus is supporting Russia, he has had a go at Georgia.... and even had a go at Kazakhstan (until the Chinese told him to leave) Finland is very worried right now. Finland never joined NATO did they? I just looked up the countries, and no Finland is not a part of NATO. But Poland, Romania and Turkey are, so Finland should be worried.
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Post by Opti on Feb 25, 2022 0:57:28 GMT -5
This is sad but expected. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-border-guards-on-zmiinyi-island-died-as-heroes-zelensky-says/ar-AAUh4yJ?ocid=undefinedBorder guards who died defending Snake Island will be awarded the title "Hero of Ukraine."
The guards reportedly died after refusing to surrender to a Russian warship.
"May the memory of those who gave their lives for Ukraine live forever," President Volodymyr Zelensky said.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Thursday he will issue posthumous honors to security forces who were killed after refusing to surrender to a Russian war ship in the Black Sea.
"On our Zmiinyi Island, defending it to the last, all the border guards died heroically," Zelensky said. "But [they] did not give up."
At least 137 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed on the first day of fighting, according to Zelensky, and another 316 wounded.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 25, 2022 0:59:27 GMT -5
and so the death toll begins.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 25, 2022 5:39:55 GMT -5
I looks like Putin wants another iron curtain stretching from the Baltic down to the Black Sea....whether those Countries like it or not. Aside from Ukraine, he already has troops in Moldova (uninvited)...Belarus is supporting Russia, he has had a go at Georgia.... and even had a go at Kazakhstan (until the Chinese told him to leave) Finland is very worried right now. The Worry is, that the Baltic Countries Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia........ seen here as LITH, LAT and EST are in NATO. If the fighting spills over and boots start appearing on the ground in NATO Countries we automatically go to War.
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Post by mroped on Feb 25, 2022 8:15:53 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude to anyone but stop worrying and wringing your hands about Iron Curtains and the likes! Putin just wants to protect his/Russian territory, sphere of influence. We, as in the mighty US, really like sticking a finger in anyones and everyone’s business! Former communist block fell in 1989 and US worked tirelessly into bringing any and all countries that were independent from Soviet Union, into the fold of NATO. Why? How would the Americans feel if the Chinese and Russians come to Mexico and Canada and through ways and means(meaning insane amounts of money, investment, bribery) they assert they’re influence and control on those two countries and become military alies? Then to make it better, they install some of those land to air missile complexes that would put in range any and all major population centers!
Do you think that the US would sit idly by and let it unfold the way it may? Honest opinions!
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 25, 2022 8:20:59 GMT -5
He does not care. He is one of the richest men in the world and we did not even put a sanction on him or his holdings (which the west knows he has) he has around the world.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 25, 2022 8:31:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure what this means as far as potential for major issues, but Russian troops have seized Chernobyl. I’m not very knowledgeable about any of this, but the little bit I do know has my gut shrieking that all of this is very bad. It is the geography he has to travel to get to the Ukraine Capital from the north. Most socalled experts expected the main attack to come from the eastern border (where Ukraine has been fighting an eight yr war with rebels aligned to Russia) and that is where Ukraine had most of their strongest military units staged in preperation of the attack. Putin came in from Belarusa to the north, Chernobyl is only a few miles from the border and is simply in the path to entering the capitol to the south. It is a matter of only maybe 100 miles or so and the quickest path of least resistance for Russian troops. Obviously, Putin is not above giving his own troops radiation sickness/poisoning. I do not think he wants to spend time surrounding that complex..... The entire country is smaller than some of our own states in size, and frankly they are so outnumbered they cannot win this war with Russia's three prong attack. Outmanned, outgunned, just becomes a matter of numbers.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 25, 2022 8:52:24 GMT -5
The Ukraine was no threat to him ....... and many years away from being part of NATO
Do you think its ok to walk in to someone else's Country, kick out their hard fought for democracy, kill their citizens and install a puppet president? Putin doesn't care how many people he kills or what devastation he causes.
If we don't make a fuss with sanctions/weapons..... Putin will be emboldened ..... and he won't stop there.
We are averting something bigger that is in planning.
The fact that this is happening in this modern day and age is unbelievable, the stakes are so high.
So, we don't want to send troops in either ........ although we do have some in Poland protecting the front line as do you. We cannot go head to head with Russia. Its unthinkable.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 25, 2022 10:01:12 GMT -5
The Ukraine was no threat to him ....... and many years away from being part of NATO Do you think its ok to walk in to someone else's Country, kick out their hard fought for democracy, kill their citizens and install a puppet president? Putin doesn't care how many people he kills or what devastation he causes. If we don't make a fuss with sanctions/weapons..... Putin will be emboldened ..... and he won't stop there. We are averting something bigger that is in planning. The fact that this is happening in this modern day and age is unbelievable, the stakes are so high. So, we don't want to send troops in either ........ although we do have some in Poland protecting the front line as do you. We cannot go head to head with Russia. Its unthinkable. The three countries to the northeast of Ukraine would be next imo. Latvia being one of them.....
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 25, 2022 10:03:12 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude to anyone but stop worrying and wringing your hands about Iron Curtains and the likes! Putin just wants to protect his/Russian territory, sphere of influence. We, as in the mighty US, really like sticking a finger in anyones and everyone’s business! Former communist block fell in 1989 and US worked tirelessly into bringing any and all countries that were independent from Soviet Union, into the fold of NATO. Why? How would the Americans feel if the Chinese and Russians come to Mexico and Canada and through ways and means(meaning insane amounts of money, investment, bribery) they assert they’re influence and control on those two countries and become military alies? Then to make it better, they install some of those land to air missile complexes that would put in range any and all major population centers! Do you think that the US would sit idly by and let it unfold the way it may? Honest opinions! Cuba Only thing that worked was an ultimatum to Russia
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Post by mroped on Feb 25, 2022 10:09:28 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude to anyone but stop worrying and wringing your hands about Iron Curtains and the likes! Putin just wants to protect his/Russian territory, sphere of influence. We, as in the mighty US, really like sticking a finger in anyones and everyone’s business! Former communist block fell in 1989 and US worked tirelessly into bringing any and all countries that were independent from Soviet Union, into the fold of NATO. Why? How would the Americans feel if the Chinese and Russians come to Mexico and Canada and through ways and means(meaning insane amounts of money, investment, bribery) they assert they’re influence and control on those two countries and become military alies? Then to make it better, they install some of those land to air missile complexes that would put in range any and all major population centers! Do you think that the US would sit idly by and let it unfold the way it may? Honest opinions! Cuba Only thing that worked was an ultimatum to Russia Rockets that were in existence at the time could barely reach the coast of Florida, IF! Today, we can target a moskito from 500 miles away and kill the prick! Are you implying that Putin should give an ultimatum to US in order to remove the rockets that have already been installed in Poland and Romania?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 25, 2022 10:22:50 GMT -5
The Ukraine was no threat to him ....... and many years away from being part of NATO Do you think its ok to walk in to someone else's Country, kick out their hard fought for democracy, kill their citizens and install a puppet president? Putin doesn't care how many people he kills or what devastation he causes. If we don't make a fuss with sanctions/weapons..... Putin will be emboldened ..... and he won't stop there. We are averting something bigger that is in planning. The fact that this is happening in this modern day and age is unbelievable, the stakes are so high. So, we don't want to send troops in either ........ although we do have some in Poland protecting the front line as do you. We cannot go head to head with Russia. Its unthinkable. I read that there is a gas pipeline through Ukraine that Russia has to pay $2B/year to Ukraine for. Anyway, if Ukrainians and Russia really wanted to combine, nobody in the world is stopping them from doing so peacefully. Going in with military, is not peaceful.
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Post by Opti on Feb 25, 2022 10:24:56 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be rude to anyone but stop worrying and wringing your hands about Iron Curtains and the likes! Putin just wants to protect his/Russian territory, sphere of influence. We, as in the mighty US, really like sticking a finger in anyones and everyone’s business! Former communist block fell in 1989 and US worked tirelessly into bringing any and all countries that were independent from Soviet Union, into the fold of NATO. Why? How would the Americans feel if the Chinese and Russians come to Mexico and Canada and through ways and means(meaning insane amounts of money, investment, bribery) they assert they’re influence and control on those two countries and become military alies? Then to make it better, they install some of those land to air missile complexes that would put in range any and all major population centers! Do you think that the US would sit idly by and let it unfold the way it may? Honest opinions! Cuba Only thing that worked was an ultimatum to Russia War technology has evolved quite a bit since then. Personally, I think hacker teams from NATO countries and the willingness to deploy EMPs would be far more effective than an ultimatum.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 25, 2022 10:34:49 GMT -5
Cuba Only thing that worked was an ultimatum to Russia Rockets that were in existence at the time could barely reach the coast of Florida, IF! Today, we can target a moskito from 500 miles away and kill the prick! Are you implying that Putin should give an ultimatum to US in order to remove the rockets that have already been installed in Poland and Romania? I am not implying anything about Putin. I even understand due to the accords agreement that was signed circa 2014 none of the ex-Soviet states would go into Nato, and yet we allowed it. This pisses Putin off. I answered how America reacted to Russian missles that were actually in Cuba. Simple answer. Now the question is, "how could Ukraine ever put an ultimatum to Putin over the invasion?" They cannot due to smaller military army to the Russian size of jets, rockets,tanks, and manpower. It looks like the "will" is there and I hope they can do it, but the numbers are just to big to stop Russia without outside intervention. (I am not suggesting we should) As I said in another post here, we did not even sanction Putin's money accounts around the world or even stop Russian exports of energy. Lots of hand wringing, but nothing to stop the invasion or even slow it down. I admit even those sanctions might not be enough but half ass sanctions that mean nothing are useless......... There was some talk of stripping Russia from their primary seat of the big five and veto power ability in the United Nations, based on the original "Russia originally included all the subservient client states of Russia which no longer are part of Russia. I felt that had some merit.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 25, 2022 10:37:10 GMT -5
Cuba Only thing that worked was an ultimatum to Russia War technology has evolved quite a bit since then. Personally, I think hacker teams from NATO countries and the willingness to deploy EMPs would be far more effective than an ultimatum. I answered the question he asked. How would America handle missles. I gave him the answer how it was handled in the past. easy peezy And the Ukraine does not have that ability to do any of this.
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Fox News' Ukraine Reporter Says Network Stars' Minimizing the Invasion Won't Affect His 'Pursuit of the Truth'As Russian military forces continue to invade Ukraine, Fox News foreign correspondent Trey Yingst says he is focused on the "pursuit of truth" even as some of the network's top anchors minimize the situation. "We have no direction in what we do other than pursuit of the truth and to bring the latest stories to our viewers to make people care about it," Yingst told TheWrap. "My focus every day is, 'How can I do that? How can I make people care about a story?' And in the three-and-a-half years that I've been involved at Fox, they have given me the space to report." Yingst, who is among four Fox News correspondents in Ukraine, is joined in Kyiv by correspondent Steve Harrigan. The network also has two reporters in Lviv, Mike Tobin and Lucas Tomlinson. "There's a commitment to getting those stories," Yingst said of the decision to have several reporters covering the conflict on the ground. "That's what we're focused on every day." President Vladimir V. Putin launched Russia's full-scale attack on Ukraine on Wednesday. Airstrikes could be heard in the background on Wednesday night and continuing into Thursday as Yingst reported live from the country's capital city. Despite the increasing volatility of the situation, Fox News anchors have continued to downplay the attack. On Tuesday, the network's top-rated host Tucker Carlson classified the ongoing conflict as a mere "border dispute" and questioned why Americans felt "a patriotic duty to hate Vladimir Putin." "It might be worth asking yourself, since it is getting pretty serious: What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much?" Carlson said, also arguing that Ukraine is not a democracy. On Wednesday night, Laura Ingraham welcomed former President Donald Trump on her show, where he said that Putin's decision to invade Ukraine "all happened because of a rigged election" and the "weakness and the incompetence" of the Biden administration. The network's correspondents, both abroad and stateside, have pushed back on this narrative. Speaking with TheWrap, Yingst echoed sentiments expressed by his colleague Jennifer Griffin while on air Wednesday night, when she called Russia's attack is "a full-scale invasion." "This is becoming possibly the most significant world event in decades, because it is changing the security situation in Europe so significantly that the whole world order will be shifted as a result of this invasion," Yingst said. He added: "We're talking about a country of 40 million people. It was just invaded for reasons that, as journalists, we can't totally grasp. The reason that President Putin of Russia gave to launch this invasion, as journalists we are searching for evidence to support his claims and we can't find that." Yingst, 28, who is from Hershey, Pennsylvania, and based in Jerusalem, also discussed the procedures he undertook as the invasion was beginning. Complete article here: Fox News' Ukraine Reporter Says Network Stars' Minimizing the Invasion Won't Affect His 'Pursuit of the Truth'
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 25, 2022 11:19:06 GMT -5
They do, they have been doing quite well in the face of overwhelming opposition 450 Russian dead 3 jets down.
I know we gave them stingers ... I don't know what the US gave them but should imagine it was similar.
Still it may be over in a few days...... China isn't pleased and is pushing for a diplomatic solution.....in Minsk I think they said.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 25, 2022 11:26:07 GMT -5
Its an invasion, from 3 sides and hitting targets right across the Ukraine.
I've no idea what your news media are talking about........ How can you make an informed decision if you choice of news media has no idea what is going on.
Watch the BBC they have got people in Kyiv and Moscow.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2022 11:28:27 GMT -5
I’m not very knowledgeable about any of this, but the little bit I do know has my gut shrieking that all of this is very bad. It is the geography he has to travel to get to the Ukraine Capital from the north. Most socalled experts expected the main attack to come from the eastern border (where Ukraine has been fighting an eight yr war with rebels aligned to Russia) and that is where Ukraine had most of their strongest military units staged in preperation of the attack. Putin came in from Belarusa to the north, Chernobyl is only a few miles from the border and is simply in the path to entering the capitol to the south. It is a matter of only maybe 100 miles or so and the quickest path of least resistance for Russian troops. Obviously, Putin is not above giving his own troops radiation sickness/poisoning. I do not think he wants to spend time surrounding that complex..... The entire country is smaller than some of our own states in size, and frankly they are so outnumbered they cannot win this war with Russia's three prong attack. Outmanned, outgunned, just becomes a matter of numbers. ? If Ukraine were a U.S. state, it would rank #3 in land size (233,062 sq mi) after Alaska (570,641 sq mi) and Texas (261,914 sq mi). #4 would be California (155,973 sq mi). It is only smaller than two of our states. Population wise, Ukraine (41,167,336) is larger than our most populous state California (39,613,493).
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 25, 2022 11:42:46 GMT -5
Its an invasion, from 3 sides and hitting targets right across the Ukraine. I've no idea what your news media are talking about........ How can you make an informed decision if you choice of news media has no idea what is going on. Watch the BBC they have got people in Kyiv and Moscow. If you are referring to Fox "News" as news media, please don't. They are Entertainment. They have said so in court. Unfortunately that "News" in their name confuses many people.
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