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Post by nidena on Feb 22, 2022 11:30:23 GMT -5
There was a conversation on FB yesterday and one person asked "Well, just how much should people who stock shelves make?" in a tone that indicated $15/hr was too much.
My response "...whatever wage makes it so that someone can afford a 1 bd/1 bath apartment, utilities, and other necessary monthly expenses in their city if they were to work full-time. That should be the minimum wage in that city for any job, including stocking shelves. If someone needs a bigger place to live, then they'll need to get a better job with a higher wage."
The irony is that companies think they're doing some magnanimous thing by paying $15/hr when, NOW, even that isn't enough in many cities. Fifteen years ago, when the conversation about $15 first started, it would have been enough but that was more than a decade ago.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 22, 2022 13:03:35 GMT -5
I don't resent anyone for their salary. What I resent is employers don't seem to have any interest in keeping the talent they already have. You can't keep lowballing your current employees who you've treated like crap and rode to record profits on for the past 2 years in addition to revealing you are paying new employees higher AND in a lot of cases they are getting significant hiring bonuses then act all shocked when your current employees start bailing ship. Now that I know what person X with less experience than me can get coming in I know you low balled me. If you aren't interested in raising my salary to match or higher then I am going to move to a new company that will pay me at that higher salary just to start. I'd be pissed too if I was hired at $10/hr at McDs in 2019, didn't receive a raise since then and come 2022 all new hires get $15/hr. They aren't going to raise your salary by $5/hr so it only makes sense to jump to Burger King and become a new hire there. It's capitalism pure and simple. Companies don't think twice about getting rid of me if it means a few more dollars in the shareholders pockets. Why can't I be rid of them for a few more dollars in mine? My frustration doesn't come from the number being thrown out at all. It comes from the complete disregard for the people who already work here and have proven themselves.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 22, 2022 13:19:21 GMT -5
I don't resent anyone for their salary. What I resent is employers don't seem to have any interest in keeping the talent they already have. You can't keep lowballing your current employees who you've treated like crap and rode to record profits on for the past 2 years in addition to revealing you are paying new employees higher AND in a lot of cases they are getting significant hiring bonuses then act all shocked when your current employees start bailing ship. Now that I know what person X with less experience than me can get coming in I know you low balled me. If you aren't interested in raising my salary to match or higher then I am going to move to a new company that will pay me at that higher salary just to start. I'd be pissed too if I was hired at $10/hr at McDs in 2019, didn't receive a raise since then and come 2022 all new hires get $15/hr. They aren't going to raise your salary by $5/hr so it only makes sense to jump to Burger King and become a new hire there. It's capitalism pure and simple. Companies don't think twice about getting rid of me if it means a few more dollars in the shareholders pockets. Why can't I be rid of them for a few more dollars in mine? My frustration doesn't come from the number being thrown out at all. It comes from the complete disregard for the people who already work here and have proven themselves. I'm certainly living that right now. Starting wage went up $6/hour and most everyone else got bumped $1. My nephew working 2nd shift for 8 months now with the 15% premium is making about the same as me, even though I started here 8 years before he was even born!
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 22, 2022 13:20:25 GMT -5
I don't resent anyone for their salary. What I resent is employers don't seem to have any interest in keeping the talent they already have. You can't keep lowballing your current employees who you've treated like crap and rode to record profits on for the past 2 years in addition to revealing you are paying new employees higher AND in a lot of cases they are getting significant hiring bonuses then act all shocked when your current employees start bailing ship. Now that I know what person X with less experience than me can get coming in I know you low balled me. If you aren't interested in raising my salary to match or higher then I am going to move to a new company that will pay me at that higher salary just to start. I'd be pissed too if I was hired at $10/hr at McDs in 2019, didn't receive a raise since then and come 2022 all new hires get $15/hr. They aren't going to raise your salary by $5/hr so it only makes sense to jump to Burger King and become a new hire there. It's capitalism pure and simple. Companies don't think twice about getting rid of me if it means a few more dollars in the shareholders pockets. Why can't I be rid of them for a few more dollars in mine? My frustration doesn't come from the number being thrown out at all. It comes from the complete disregard for the people who already work here and have proven themselves. You need to say something.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 22, 2022 13:21:05 GMT -5
So car is a 2013 Toyota carolla, SE. About 25k miles. Seems to be worth 12-13k which is really great. Paid 16500 in nov/dec of 2012. I paid 2500 and still owed 16.5k as my money just went to tax and title and whatnot. 2022 of same is priced 22k+. But overall a loss of at most 4.5k for a decade of driving. Really not bad. Your decade of driving equals about a year for me! but those are hard ugly miles!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 22, 2022 13:32:17 GMT -5
I don't resent anyone for their salary. What I resent is employers don't seem to have any interest in keeping the talent they already have. You can't keep lowballing your current employees who you've treated like crap and rode to record profits on for the past 2 years in addition to revealing you are paying new employees higher AND in a lot of cases they are getting significant hiring bonuses then act all shocked when your current employees start bailing ship. Now that I know what person X with less experience than me can get coming in I know you low balled me. If you aren't interested in raising my salary to match or higher then I am going to move to a new company that will pay me at that higher salary just to start. I'd be pissed too if I was hired at $10/hr at McDs in 2019, didn't receive a raise since then and come 2022 all new hires get $15/hr. They aren't going to raise your salary by $5/hr so it only makes sense to jump to Burger King and become a new hire there. It's capitalism pure and simple. Companies don't think twice about getting rid of me if it means a few more dollars in the shareholders pockets. Why can't I be rid of them for a few more dollars in mine? My frustration doesn't come from the number being thrown out at all. It comes from the complete disregard for the people who already work here and have proven themselves. You need to say something. We have. There is "talk" about raising our salaries but it "can't happen until summer" and "there are no promises". I will believe it when/if I see it. TALK isn't going to get me to stay if I get a sure offer in my pocket in the meantime. They made a big production this annual meeting about how "we are all in this together" and "we couldn't have done it without you!". They talked about free seminars they offer now for training purposes and isn't it wonderful how much they are investing in us?! There has been almost complete turnover except at the manger level in the past year. Guess who are the ones that still got 5%+ bonuses the past two years? And remember there is the catch that just because they raise my salary now it doesn't mean they won't go right back to 0% raises for us peons right afterwards. Raising my salary will make me less miserable while I am looking but I am still going to look for A LOT of reasons. Salary is the one that broke my back.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 22, 2022 13:45:36 GMT -5
You need to say something. We have. There is "talk" about raising our salaries but it "can't happen until summer" and "there are no promises". I will believe it when/if I see it. TALK isn't going to get me to stay if I get a sure offer in my pocket in the meantime. They made a big production this annual meeting about how "we are all in this together" and "we couldn't have done it without you!". They talked about free seminars they offer now for training purposes and isn't it wonderful how much they are investing in us?! There has been almost complete turnover except at the manger level in the past year. Guess who are the ones that still got 5%+ bonuses the past two years? And remember there is the catch that just because they raise my salary now it doesn't mean they won't go right back to 0% raises for us peons right afterwards. Raising my salary will make me less miserable while I am looking but I am still going to look for A LOT of reasons. Salary is the one that broke my back. You know what I think of this resume? It shows less experience than me, but pay much higher than I'm getting. 😉
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 22, 2022 13:50:43 GMT -5
We have. There is "talk" about raising our salaries but it "can't happen until summer" and "there are no promises". I will believe it when/if I see it. TALK isn't going to get me to stay if I get a sure offer in my pocket in the meantime. They made a big production this annual meeting about how "we are all in this together" and "we couldn't have done it without you!". They talked about free seminars they offer now for training purposes and isn't it wonderful how much they are investing in us?! There has been almost complete turnover except at the manger level in the past year. Guess who are the ones that still got 5%+ bonuses the past two years? And remember there is the catch that just because they raise my salary now it doesn't mean they won't go right back to 0% raises for us peons right afterwards. Raising my salary will make me less miserable while I am looking but I am still going to look for A LOT of reasons. Salary is the one that broke my back. You know what I think of this resume? It shows less experience than me, but pay much higher than I'm getting. 😉 My coworker who has busted her butt and more than earned the position but gets turned down because her experience doesn't fit whatever vision it is our new supervisor has for the position has been VERY vocal about it. Will it change anything here? Probably not when you've already lost over half your experienced workforce and your solution is to tout free seminars you're not exactly self aware.
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Post by susana1954 on Feb 22, 2022 18:34:42 GMT -5
There was a conversation on FB yesterday and one person asked "Well, just how much should people who stock shelves make?" in a tone that indicated $15/hr was too much. My response "...whatever wage makes it so that someone can afford a 1 bd/1 bath apartment, utilities, and other necessary monthly expenses in their city if they were to work full-time. That should be the minimum wage in that city for any job, including stocking shelves. If someone needs a bigger place to live, then they'll need to get a better job with a higher wage." The irony is that companies think they're doing some magnanimous thing by paying $15/hr when, NOW, even that isn't enough in many cities. Fifteen years ago, when the conversation about $15 first started, it would have been enough but that was more than a decade ago. I am not sure that I agree. To pay the type of wages you are suggesting for jobs with little skill required has to drive up all the other wages (and prices as well). So how would you rank DramaQ in comparison to this worker? Does she deserve a 2 bed/1 bath apartment? Does a CPA deserve a 3 bed/2 bath apartment? And what about Granny whose SS check and even 401k, if she has one, are based on such lower earnings that she in turn can't afford what the stocker can afford? A robot can stock those shelves and probably will if you drive up wages high enough. Then where will that unskilled stocker be? On welfare? So prices and taxes will both go up? It isn't as simplistic as you make it sound. I don't know the answer, but basing salary on what someone "needs" is not really the complete answer. That's how business got away with underpaying women for so long. We didn't "need" as much because we were supposed to have husbands to support us.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 22, 2022 18:41:59 GMT -5
There was a conversation on FB yesterday and one person asked "Well, just how much should people who stock shelves make?" in a tone that indicated $15/hr was too much. My response "...whatever wage makes it so that someone can afford a 1 bd/1 bath apartment, utilities, and other necessary monthly expenses in their city if they were to work full-time. That should be the minimum wage in that city for any job, including stocking shelves. If someone needs a bigger place to live, then they'll need to get a better job with a higher wage." The irony is that companies think they're doing some magnanimous thing by paying $15/hr when, NOW, even that isn't enough in many cities. Fifteen years ago, when the conversation about $15 first started, it would have been enough but that was more than a decade ago. I am not sure that I agree. To pay the type of wages you are suggesting for jobs with little skill required has to drive up all the other wages (and prices as well). So how would you rank DramaQ in comparison to this worker? Does she deserve a 2 bed/1 bath apartment? Does a CPA deserve a 3 bed/2 bath apartment? And what about Granny whose SS check and even 401k, if she has one, are based on such lower earnings that she in turn can't afford what the stocker can afford? A robot can stock those shelves and probably will if you drive up wages high enough. Then where will that unskilled stocker be? On welfare? So prices and taxes will both go up? It isn't as simplistic as you make it sound. I don't know the answer, but basing salary on what someone "needs" is not really the complete answer. That's how business got away with underpaying women for so long. We didn't "need" as much because we were supposed to have husbands to support us. Plus, so many of these jobs were always filled by people that DIDN'T need to pay for all of their living expenses or raise a family on that money. College and high school students, retired people looking for something to do, stay at home parents with a few hours to kill while the kids are in school... Nobody worked at our McDonalds that needed that job to pay the bills it was all high school kids. Even the managers were students. My son works just to buy sushi and video games.
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Post by nidena on Feb 22, 2022 19:06:52 GMT -5
There was a conversation on FB yesterday and one person asked "Well, just how much should people who stock shelves make?" in a tone that indicated $15/hr was too much. My response "...whatever wage makes it so that someone can afford a 1 bd/1 bath apartment, utilities, and other necessary monthly expenses in their city if they were to work full-time. That should be the minimum wage in that city for any job, including stocking shelves. If someone needs a bigger place to live, then they'll need to get a better job with a higher wage." The irony is that companies think they're doing some magnanimous thing by paying $15/hr when, NOW, even that isn't enough in many cities. Fifteen years ago, when the conversation about $15 first started, it would have been enough but that was more than a decade ago. I am not sure that I agree. To pay the type of wages you are suggesting for jobs with little skill required has to drive up all the other wages (and prices as well). So how would you rank DramaQ in comparison to this worker? Does she deserve a 2 bed/1 bath apartment? Does a CPA deserve a 3 bed/2 bath apartment? And what about Granny whose SS check and even 401k, if she has one, are based on such lower earnings that she in turn can't afford what the stocker can afford? A robot can stock those shelves and probably will if you drive up wages high enough. Then where will that unskilled stocker be? On welfare? So prices and taxes will both go up? It isn't as simplistic as you make it sound. I don't know the answer, but basing salary on what someone "needs" is not really the complete answer. That's how business got away with underpaying women for so long. We didn't "need" as much because we were supposed to have husbands to support us. How many robots are stocking shelves at Walmart, Kroger, Meijer, Safeway, etc? None. My point was that a 1/1 apartment is commonly one of the smallest living accommodations and, by extension, costs the least amount. Stocking shelves is just the particular job in that thread. It could be any job that falls into that same bubble of skills-level requirement. And, from what I've seen, that job isn't filled by teenagers. It's usually one of multiple jobs filled by someone trying to just pay for their rent and other monthly expenses. Hence the rest of my comment. If someone wants a better place to live, they need a better job than one that is commonly in the lowest paying tier.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 22, 2022 19:35:10 GMT -5
Nephew is manager of a DQ. He is now salaried but they employ several single moms and that is their only job. Do they deserve a roof over their head?
Yes a CPA deserves a 3 bed/2 bath apartment. If you knew what they go through during tax season, you would agree. They make enough to pay for one if they are full time.
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Post by susana1954 on Feb 22, 2022 19:40:52 GMT -5
I am not sure that I agree. To pay the type of wages you are suggesting for jobs with little skill required has to drive up all the other wages (and prices as well). So how would you rank DramaQ in comparison to this worker? Does she deserve a 2 bed/1 bath apartment? Does a CPA deserve a 3 bed/2 bath apartment? And what about Granny whose SS check and even 401k, if she has one, are based on such lower earnings that she in turn can't afford what the stocker can afford? A robot can stock those shelves and probably will if you drive up wages high enough. Then where will that unskilled stocker be? On welfare? So prices and taxes will both go up? It isn't as simplistic as you make it sound. I don't know the answer, but basing salary on what someone "needs" is not really the complete answer. That's how business got away with underpaying women for so long. We didn't "need" as much because we were supposed to have husbands to support us. How many robots are stocking shelves at Walmart, Kroger, Meijer, Safeway, etc? None. My point was that a 1/1 apartment is commonly one of the smallest living accommodations and, by extension, costs the least amount. Stocking shelves is just the particular job in that thread. It could be any job that falls into that same bubble of skills-level requirement. And, from what I've seen, that job isn't filled by teenagers. It's usually one of multiple jobs filled by someone trying to just pay for their rent and other monthly expenses. Hence the rest of my comment. If someone wants a better place to live, they need a better job than one that is commonly in the lowest paying tier. There's your key. Companies who hire these low-skills worker try not to hire them full-time. So many workers work multiple jobs not because of the salary but because they don't get enough hours. And I didn't say that these robots were stocking yet although I have heard that Amazon is using them. Self-checkouts are here. Kiosks where you fill your own drinks and place your own orders are here. What I said was that if you drive wages high enough, companies will turn to robots. I said I didn't know the answer.
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Post by Opti on Feb 22, 2022 19:59:14 GMT -5
There was a conversation on FB yesterday and one person asked "Well, just how much should people who stock shelves make?" in a tone that indicated $15/hr was too much. My response "...whatever wage makes it so that someone can afford a 1 bd/1 bath apartment, utilities, and other necessary monthly expenses in their city if they were to work full-time. That should be the minimum wage in that city for any job, including stocking shelves. If someone needs a bigger place to live, then they'll need to get a better job with a higher wage." The irony is that companies think they're doing some magnanimous thing by paying $15/hr when, NOW, even that isn't enough in many cities. Fifteen years ago, when the conversation about $15 first started, it would have been enough but that was more than a decade ago. I am not sure that I agree. To pay the type of wages you are suggesting for jobs with little skill required has to drive up all the other wages (and prices as well). So how would you rank DramaQ in comparison to this worker? Does she deserve a 2 bed/1 bath apartment? Does a CPA deserve a 3 bed/2 bath apartment? And what about Granny whose SS check and even 401k, if she has one, are based on such lower earnings that she in turn can't afford what the stocker can afford? A robot can stock those shelves and probably will if you drive up wages high enough. Then where will that unskilled stocker be? On welfare? So prices and taxes will both go up? It isn't as simplistic as you make it sound. I don't know the answer, but basing salary on what someone "needs" is not really the complete answer. That's how business got away with underpaying women for so long. We didn't "need" as much because we were supposed to have husbands to support us. FT minimum wage does not get you a 1 bd 1 bathroom apartment in most of NJ. Robots are pricey and not good shelve stockers. If you did not watch it, Vitamin Shoppe was on Undercover Boss. I was totally unsurprised that a robotic arm did not do a fantastic job of packing boxes shipped to stores. Looked far too familiar actually. Many people have a very unrealistic view of what robotic arms and robots in general can do. And how much info lesser skilled jobs actually need. I think DQ is right that there should be a floor. Not that magically living spaces will appear at 40% of whatever your employer decides they will pay.
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Post by Opti on Feb 22, 2022 20:01:44 GMT -5
Lastly, wages of many jobs are uncoupled with reality and are not based on what the first level gets paid.
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I feel like as much money as these corporations make, there should be no reason for adults working full time to not be able to afford to take decent care of themselves as far as necessities go. I don’t feel like it’s okay for full time employees of companies that are making record profits and CEO’s and whoever else (besides the worker bees) wealthy, to qualify for government assistance. We are the richest nation in the world, no? It’s sad to ME, that in a nation with so much wealth, you can work your ass off at a full time job, and still not be able to afford a decent place to live and 3 square meals a day. That’s without getting into the problems with affordable access to healthcare, which imo, is another basic need in a country so civilized as we claim to be. FWIW, I’ve worked a full time job and my income was still such that living in my Grandmother’s house in what had become the hood made sense because anywhere I could afford to live would’ve been in the hood anyway. My solution to not having to have to live in the hood was to chase more money. I worked overtime, and I started taking evening classes at the local University, to ease myself into preparing to go back to college. Then my current job called me for an interview and they paid much better than what I was making at the time. I got hired, and forgot all about going back to college. But I still understand that people have all kinds of situations that are very different from mine. What some people sneer at and deem excuses are sometimes valid reasons for the person living it. Some people would LOVE to be able to chase more money, but can’t figure out how to do it because of their situation and obstacles and some people are just not capable of doing jobs that pay more for knowledge and/or skills. I have enough confidence in myself to know that even if my job hadn’t hired me, I would’ve found a way to make more money so me and my children could at least live decently. If this job hadn’t hired me, I might be making even more money by now, since I was planning to go back to college. I try not to dwell on that. But say I didn’t have the intelligence I did (these days it’s sometimes debatable whether I have much at all lol) or the mental and physical health I did, what would my options have been then? Even the fact that I had a good support system to cheer me on and try to help me as much as they could, is not a given for everybody. I object to the idea that if I’d had one or more of those limitations, but was willing to work whatever full time job I could do well at, it’s ok for me to not be able to afford basic necessities. It’s been a while since I made a long, rambling post like this, so I guess it had to happen sooner or later. Sorry.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Feb 22, 2022 20:34:59 GMT -5
I am not sure that I agree. To pay the type of wages you are suggesting for jobs with little skill required has to drive up all the other wages (and prices as well). So how would you rank DramaQ in comparison to this worker? Does she deserve a 2 bed/1 bath apartment? Does a CPA deserve a 3 bed/2 bath apartment? And what about Granny whose SS check and even 401k, if she has one, are based on such lower earnings that she in turn can't afford what the stocker can afford? A robot can stock those shelves and probably will if you drive up wages high enough. Then where will that unskilled stocker be? On welfare? So prices and taxes will both go up? It isn't as simplistic as you make it sound. I don't know the answer, but basing salary on what someone "needs" is not really the complete answer. That's how business got away with underpaying women for so long. We didn't "need" as much because we were supposed to have husbands to support us. FT minimum wage does not get you a 1 bd 1 bathroom apartment in most of NJ. Robots are pricey and not good shelve stockers. If you did not watch it, Vitamin Shoppe was on Undercover Boss. I was totally unsurprised that a robotic arm did not do a fantastic job of packing boxes shipped to stores. Looked far too familiar actually. Many people have a very unrealistic view of what robotic arms and robots in general can do. And how much info lesser skilled jobs actually need. I think DQ is right that there should be a floor. Not that magically living spaces will appear at 40% of whatever your employer decides they will pay. You should see what the robots are doing with stocking and picking orders at the company next to me. They said even with the costs of the robots and maintenance, they reduced costs by 20% and increased lead time by 70% because the robots are so much faster and more accurate than the warehouse full of humans was. They built a new addition which is HUGE with no windows, no heat, no AC...don't need it for the robots. I worked there back in the early 90's and the place is NOTHING like it was back then now that it's been automated. I also currently work in a very high tech company and we've replaced most of our inspectors with automated inspection machines. Our robotic P&P machines can place 150,000 parts the size of fleas an hour with extreme precision. Robots are pretty damned impressive, but currently not economically feasible for a lot of jobs. But all it takes is a market for them and companies like mine and the one next door to us will happily collaborate to design and start mass producing grocery stocking robots.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 22, 2022 20:36:03 GMT -5
Most of the posters here are simply asking for a socialist government as Businesses are in the business of making money, so it is the government 's job to fill the gap. I also see posters ignore the fact they are not the only ones being denied large wages. Wait til you hit 60 and see your wage increase amounts, if you are not unionized. MGMT is mostly welling to let older people stay in place with lower wage increases, (if any) unless it is a union shop
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Post by Tiny on Feb 22, 2022 20:39:21 GMT -5
And didn't you all just point out the actual problem? That there are often MORE low paying jobs (usually a "service" or retail) than higher paying jobs.
In my densely populated urban area - I do tend to think that service/retail jobs SHOULD pay a living wage... there are plenty of people who will most likely always work a service/retail job. There are plenty of Big Employers and lots of workers who can provide "demand" for the services of all the people in service/retail jobs.
But, I have to wonder though about areas that don't have many large employers (who need more skilled workers and pay higher wages) - I think that's where the "living wage" thing gets tricky. Sure there might be lots of lower wage jobs in an area with a Big Employer - but when nearly EVERYONE is earning at a lower wage job - raising wages doesn't really lift anyone standard of living. Because EVERYONE has to pay more for the other services (lower wage jobs) they use.
What really needs to happen is better job opportunities.
I might have to google the distribution of lower to higher paying jobs (what's the % of each? Can 50 high paying jobs sustain 100 or 200 lower paying jobs?? or is it the other way around... more high paying jobs sustain fewer lower paying jobs).
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 22, 2022 20:58:20 GMT -5
Not that there isn't a wage issue but a bigger immediate issue is lack of housing in general and the cost of what is available.
Which in turn drives up rents.
Even $15/hr isn't enough to get you housing in some areas.
Raising wages does nothing if a one bedroom apartment is still a huge amount of your living costs.
As far as low wage jobs I've read it's not the Great Resignation but the Great Elevation.
People are retiring at a faster and higher rate which now creates upward mobility for those who couldn't previously.
Which now means their lower paid jobs are open allowing for that kid looking to get a 1st job a chance.
I think it will even out Eventually. With us still being in pandemic throws it's hard to tell but I think we'll see a major shift in how employment works in the next five to ten years.
I also think.the vacuum left with businesses closing will over time allow more people the opportunity to start their own .
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 22, 2022 22:24:26 GMT -5
I feel like as much money as these corporations make, there should be no reason for adults working full time to not be able to afford to take decent care of themselves as far as necessities go. I don’t feel like it’s okay for full time employees of companies that are making record profits and CEO’s and whoever else (besides the worker bees) wealthy, to qualify for government assistance. We are the richest nation in the world, no? It’s sad to ME, that in a nation with so much wealth, you can work your ass off at a full time job, and still not be able to afford a decent place to live and 3 square meals a day. That’s without getting into the problems with affordable access to healthcare, which imo, is another basic need in a country so civilized as we claim to be. FWIW, I’ve worked a full time job and my income was still such that living in my Grandmother’s house in what had become the hood made sense because anywhere I could afford to live would’ve been in the hood anyway. My solution to not having to have to live in the hood was to chase more money. I worked overtime, and I started taking evening classes at the local University, to ease myself into preparing to go back to college. Then my current job called me for an interview and they paid much better than what I was making at the time. I got hired, and forgot all about going back to college. But I still understand that people have all kinds of situations that are very different from mine. What some people sneer at and deem excuses are sometimes valid reasons for the person living it. Some people would LOVE to be able to chase more money, but can’t figure out how to do it because of their situation and obstacles and some people are just not capable of doing jobs that pay more for knowledge and/or skills. I have enough confidence in myself to know that even if my job hadn’t hired me, I would’ve found a way to make more money so me and my children could at least live decently. If this job hadn’t hired me, I might be making even more money by now, since I was planning to go back to college. I try not to dwell on that. But say I didn’t have the intelligence I did (these days it’s sometimes debatable whether I have much at all lol) or the mental and physical health I did, what would my options have been then? Even the fact that I had a good support system to cheer me on and try to help me as much as they could, is not a given for everybody. I object to the idea that if I’d had one or more of those limitations, but was willing to work whatever full time job I could do well at, it’s ok for me to not be able to afford basic necessities. It’s been a while since I made a long, rambling post like this, so I guess it had to happen sooner or later. Sorry. I attended a lecture today about equity in healthcare. One of the points mentioned really was sad. The us has been the envy of the world for the development of cutting edge therapies and medical education. Yet in terms of health, we are ranked in the 30’s. 32. 33. Can’t remember exactly. Why? Cuz we suck, basically.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 22, 2022 22:26:17 GMT -5
Not that there isn't a wage issue but a bigger immediate issue is lack of housing in general and the cost of what is available. Which in turn drives up rents. Even $15/hr isn't enough to get you housing in some areas. Raising wages does nothing if a one bedroom apartment is still a huge amount of your living costs. As far as low wage jobs I've read it's not the Great Resignation but the Great Elevation. People are retiring at a faster and higher rate which now creates upward mobility for those who couldn't previously. Which now means their lower paid jobs are open allowing for that kid looking to get a 1st job a chance. I think it will even out Eventually. With us still being in pandemic throws it's hard to tell but I think we'll see a major shift in how employment works in the next five to ten years. I also think.the vacuum left with businesses closing will over time allow more people the opportunity to start their own . Wonder how many may unretire if the stock market keeps sliding.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Feb 22, 2022 23:16:28 GMT -5
We are being more careful. We don't have a problem with meat prices, our amish butcher is holding the line so far. Other groceries, we are still ok, yes, they are high, but we just won't eat out much.
Thankfully hubs got his new truck just before all this fell apart, and my car only has 40k on it, easy miles. So we are ok there. We have reduced our utility bills as far as we can, so that is a positive.
Our insurance premiums are high, this year no issue paying, but if they keep raising year, after year, after year, who knows.
People like us will make it, we think, but how will this resolve itself?
If people don't get raises will everyone be sentenced to living on the streets like the homeless? Even some of them, or perhaps many have jobs.
We are losing the middle class from the greed at the top, will people just continue to knuckle under? I can see some type of guaranteed wage having to be implemented or we could see this nation become just a few billionaires at the top and peons of the rest.
We have no new affordable housing, insurance that is becoming unaffordable, and wages that don't allow people to live and food they can't afford to buy, where does that leave people??.
I have no answers other that this is unsustainable.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 23, 2022 8:48:35 GMT -5
Not that there isn't a wage issue but a bigger immediate issue is lack of housing in general and the cost of what is available. Which in turn drives up rents. Even $15/hr isn't enough to get you housing in some areas. Raising wages does nothing if a one bedroom apartment is still a huge amount of your living costs. As far as low wage jobs I've read it's not the Great Resignation but the Great Elevation. People are retiring at a faster and higher rate which now creates upward mobility for those who couldn't previously. Which now means their lower paid jobs are open allowing for that kid looking to get a 1st job a chance. I think it will even out Eventually. With us still being in pandemic throws it's hard to tell but I think we'll see a major shift in how employment works in the next five to ten years. I also think.the vacuum left with businesses closing will over time allow more people the opportunity to start their own . Wonder how many may unretire if the stock market keeps sliding. I imagine some but probably not nearly as many who are exiting and the exiting is going to continue because people are going to keep aging. I've been reading about the aging workforce, low birth rates and how it was going to cause a shortage crisis in many industries since high school. The pandemic sped things up but none of this should have been a shock to employers. If they had pulled their heads out of their stock shares they could have met the challenge presented today a lot better.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 23, 2022 10:29:44 GMT -5
Just looking into why our refuse bill at work jumped 28%, and then again by 14%. It does tend to fluctuate, but they also jacked up some fees by a lot.
And this stuff also feeds into future utility bills.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 23, 2022 10:54:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 11:26:56 GMT -5
Just looking into why our refuse bill at work jumped 28%, and then again by 14%. It does tend to fluctuate, but they also jacked up some fees by a lot. And this stuff also feeds into future utility bills. Mine jumped 25% a couple of months ago and now they've announced they're no longer taking recyclables. They charged extra for that so the bill will be back to what it was before, but now I need to deal with recyclables. There's a place about 10 miles from here that accepts them and it's sort of between here and Costco, so that will work. I think I'd rather save the $$ than find another provider. They're also pretty specific about what they accept so I might actually have confidence that the plastic is getting recycled. From what I heard on a BBC podcast on the subject, all those different-numbered triangles on plastics are pretty much a lie and the only things they can really recycle cost-effectively are plastic bottles and something else- I forget.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 23, 2022 11:31:40 GMT -5
Wonder how many may unretire if the stock market keeps sliding. I imagine some but probably not nearly as many who are exiting and the exiting is going to continue because people are going to keep aging. I've been reading about the aging workforce, low birth rates and how it was going to cause a shortage crisis in many industries since high school. The pandemic sped things up but none of this should have been a shock to employers. If they had pulled their heads out of their stock shares they could have met the challenge presented today a lot better. I guess it will depend on if they have defined benefit/pension money or something else super secure. Both stocks and bonds are down the past 6 months, and keep sliding. It will be interesting to watch the job market if they do or don't come back in force. I wonder if they did come back if they'd be in demand or no.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 23, 2022 11:46:04 GMT -5
Just looking into why our refuse bill at work jumped 28%, and then again by 14%. It does tend to fluctuate, but they also jacked up some fees by a lot. And this stuff also feeds into future utility bills. Mine jumped 25% a couple of months ago and now they've announced they're no longer taking recyclables. They charged extra for that so the bill will be back to what it was before, but now I need to deal with recyclables. There's a place about 10 miles from here that accepts them and it's sort of between here and Costco, so that will work. I think I'd rather save the $$ than find another provider. They're also pretty specific about what they accept so I might actually have confidence that the plastic is getting recycled. From what I heard on a BBC podcast on the subject, all those different-numbered triangles on plastics are pretty much a lie and the only things they can really recycle cost-effectively are plastic bottles and something else- I forget. Yeah, my employer makes a big deal about recycling, and at lunch I usually just through away my stuff because I don't think they really recycle but a handful of the items my coworkers carefully wash out and put in the recycling bag.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2022 12:13:29 GMT -5
I guess it will depend on if they have defined benefit/pension money or something else super secure. Both stocks and bonds are down the past 6 months, and keep sliding. It will be interesting to watch the job market if they do or don't come back in force. I wonder if they did come back if they'd be in demand or no. Yeah, it's pretty scary. The people who will come back to work are those who needed to withdraw $X every year for their basic expenses, where $X becomes an unsustainably high percentage when the market drops. They end up selling assets at rock-bottom prices to meet ongoing expenses. When someone says they "lost all their retirement savings" in a down market that's usually what happened- or they panicked and sold everything at the bottom. About 40% of my spending is travel and charitable donations so I have plenty of room to flex if needed.
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