The danger of guns

[Opti]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/14-year-old-girl-in-dressing-room-killed-by-stray-bullet-during-police-shooting/ar-AAS6tL4?ocid=msedgntp


14-year-old girl in dressing room killed by stray bullet during police shooting

One of the few things worse than guns are bombs. While its possible, I have yet to read of someone getting killed by a stray knife or beating while minding their own business in a dressing room or eating dinner in their home.

Discuss or comment ... TY!

[Tennesseer]

I read that earlier today. To be clear: the bullet which struck the 14 year old girl is believed to have come from one of the police officers' firearm.

In my city, 2021 will probably set a records for homicide. As of December 6th we have had 311 homicides including about 15 plus children either caught in crossfire outdoors or shot and killed in their home's rooms by the drive-by spraying of bullets into their homes.

[Tiny]

I'm kind of hardened to the fact that people die from stray gun fire.

While it's sad - there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done about it. When an innocent person dies from stay gun fire - there's a big "to do" in the neighborhood and weeping relatives and maybe a shrine is built and maybe a vigil. There are pleas for the shooter to be brought to justice. But, alas, there is no information or tips or anything about the possible shooter(s). And that is the end of it. (or at east it feels that way from the media side).

This has been going on for years and years and years. I'm guessing that when people talk about wanting or moving to a 'safe' neighborhood - they mean they want someplace where shootings do not happen.


It is sad that this death was the result of a bullet from a police officer's gun.



FWIW: there are so many guns so easily available - I suspect we will never solve this problem. And I'm guessing that with the crazy uptick in gun sales since 2016 (I'm betting many of those purchases were by people who never owed a gun before) means there are plenty of guns around to be stolen or sold or lost... The problem isn't going to go away anytime soon.

[Tiny]

www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/there-are-more-guns-than-people-in-the-united-states-according-to-a-new-study-of-global-firearm-ownership/

There are more than 393 million civilian-owned firearms in the United States, or enough for every man, woman and child to own one and still have 67 million guns left over.

With an estimated 120.5 guns for every 100 residents, the firearm ownership rate in the United States is twice that of the next-highest nation, Yemen, with just 52.8 guns per 100 residents. In raw number terms, the closest country to the United States is India, with 71.1 million firearms in circulation. These numbers do not include firearms owned by law enforcement agencies or militaries.

I am not surprised by "accidental" shootings. Nope. Not at all. It's a fact of life in America.

[weltschmerz]

Dec 24, 2021 9:44:55 GMT -5 Opti said:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/14-year-old-girl-in-dressing-room-killed-by-stray-bullet-during-police-shooting/ar-AAS6tL4?ocid=msedgntp


14-year-old girl in dressing room killed by stray bullet during police shooting

One of the few things worse than guns are bombs. While its possible, I have yet to read of someone getting killed by a stray knife or beating while minding their own business in a dressing room or eating dinner in their home.

Discuss or comment ... TY!

I have yet to hear of a drive-by hammering.

[weltschmerz]

Dec 24, 2021 14:33:03 GMT -5 Tiny said:

I'm kind of hardened to the fact that people die from stray gun fire.

While it's sad - there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done about it. When an innocent person dies from stay gun fire - there's a big "to do" in the neighborhood and weeping relatives and maybe a shrine is built and maybe a vigil. There are pleas for the shooter to be brought to justice. But, alas, there is no information or tips or anything about the possible shooter(s). And that is the end of it. (or at east it feels that way from the media side).

This has been going on for years and years and years. I'm guessing that when people talk about wanting or moving to a 'safe' neighborhood - they mean they want someplace where shootings do not happen.


It is sad that this death was the result of a bullet from a police officer's gun.



FWIW: there are so many guns so easily available - I suspect we will never solve this problem. And I'm guessing that with the crazy uptick in gun sales since 2016 (I'm betting many of those purchases were by people who never owed a gun before) means there are plenty of guns around to be stolen or sold or lost... The problem isn't going to go away anytime soon.

You Can Now Carry A Handgun In Texas Without A License, Training Or Background Check

They have lost their fucking minds.....

www.npr.org/2021/09/02/1033606817/texas-gun-law-permitless-carry-constitutional-carry

[Opti]

Dec 24, 2021 13:29:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I read that earlier today. To be clear: the bullet which struck the 14 year old girl is believed to have come from one of the police officers' firearm.

In my city, 2021 will probably set a records for homicide. As of December 6th we have had 311 homicides including about 15 plus children either caught in crossfire outdoors or shot and killed in their home's rooms by the drive-by spraying of bullets into their homes.

I know. There's also a woman who yelled "Taser, taser, taser" while killing someone with a bullet.

There's a reason some countries do not use firearms as a first resort. And yes, things are very bad by you now. In areas I have lived in NJ it is more hidden. There were more than a few basements in my house shopping days that had bullet holes in a wall of the cinderblock.

[Opti]

Dec 24, 2021 15:06:18 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dec 24, 2021 14:33:03 GMT -5 Tiny said:

I'm kind of hardened to the fact that people die from stray gun fire.

While it's sad - there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done about it. When an innocent person dies from stay gun fire - there's a big "to do" in the neighborhood and weeping relatives and maybe a shrine is built and maybe a vigil. There are pleas for the shooter to be brought to justice. But, alas, there is no information or tips or anything about the possible shooter(s). And that is the end of it. (or at east it feels that way from the media side).

This has been going on for years and years and years. I'm guessing that when people talk about wanting or moving to a 'safe' neighborhood - they mean they want someplace where shootings do not happen.


It is sad that this death was the result of a bullet from a police officer's gun.



FWIW: there are so many guns so easily available - I suspect we will never solve this problem. And I'm guessing that with the crazy uptick in gun sales since 2016 (I'm betting many of those purchases were by people who never owed a gun before) means there are plenty of guns around to be stolen or sold or lost... The problem isn't going to go away anytime soon.

You Can Now Carry A Handgun In Texas Without A License, Training Or Background Check

They have lost their fucking minds.....

www.npr.org/2021/09/02/1033606817/texas-gun-law-permitless-carry-constitutional-carry

This is why I do not care how great Austin Texas is. It is in Texas.

[Opti]

Dec 24, 2021 15:03:43 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dec 24, 2021 9:44:55 GMT -5 Opti said:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/14-year-old-girl-in-dressing-room-killed-by-stray-bullet-during-police-shooting/ar-AAS6tL4?ocid=msedgntp


14-year-old girl in dressing room killed by stray bullet during police shooting

One of the few things worse than guns are bombs. While its possible, I have yet to read of someone getting killed by a stray knife or beating while minding their own business in a dressing room or eating dinner in their home.

Discuss or comment ... TY!

I have yet to hear of a drive-by hammering.

Nasty way to go. There are many child murder cases this year I have chosen not to post. 

[Deleted]

I spent decades of my life thinking I was afraid of guns. When I had reason to be interested in guns myself, to protect me and mine from a stated threat, I realized I wasn’t afraid of guns after all. They are just a “thing “. Guns don’t do anything at all, until they are in the hand of a human. What I really was afraid of was irresponsible, careless, stupid people and/or criminals with guns.

After that, I learned from going to ranges to shoot guns, that I kind of enjoyed shooting at stuff and hitting what I aimed for. I’m pretty good at hitting what I’m aiming for, AT THE RANGE. I am under no illusions that it would be the same outside of a controlled environment, with pressure, moving targets and even innocent bystanders. So I was never really interested in carrying. 

It’s not the Wild Wild West, where the fastest draw with the most accurate shot wins and saves the day, like on tv. This is real life, where people can die…. people that aren’t the intended target. I believe I could shoot to kill someone in a situation where it’s me or them, with little remorse….. but I would probably never be ok again if I shot and killed an innocent bystander. 

Imo, guns are just an object. They are only powerful in the hands of a human. Our problem is with humans more than guns. But that’s just my opinion.

[happyhoix]

This exactly shows why the gun lobby insistence that everything would be great if only everyone carried guns all the time is completely false.

If even a highly trained police officer accidentally kills a child by shooting towards a changing room wall, consider how much more damage can be done if every single person in that shopping center had a weapon and started firing it - at everyone else now also holding a gun. How many Barney Fife’s would be dead, or people who happened to be caught in the cross fire or standing behind changing room walls, wherever the poorly trained shooters happened to spray their bullets.

The idea that a bunch of good guys would pull weapons and kill the bad guy and no one else is completely ludicrous.

[Tennesseer]

Four more shooting deaths last night including another child.

Shooting 4

MPD responded to the fourth shooting at 2:26 a.m. Saturday morning on Haynes Street.

Officers confirm that a 12-year-old boy was found shot and taken to LeBonheur in critical condition, but he did not survive his injuries.

There is no suspect information available for this shooting at this time.

Violent Crime on Christmas Eve: 12-year-old among four killed in four shootings

[Opti]

Dec 25, 2021 18:07:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Four more shooting deaths last night including another child.

Shooting 4

MPD responded to the fourth shooting at 2:26 a.m. Saturday morning on Haynes Street.

Officers confirm that a 12-year-old boy was found shot and taken to LeBonheur in critical condition, but he did not survive his injuries.

There is no suspect information available for this shooting at this time.

Violent Crime on Christmas Eve: 12-year-old among four killed in four shootings

That's sad, and so few details on the 12 yr old's shooting.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 25, 2021 18:12:59 GMT -5 Opti said:

Dec 25, 2021 18:07:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Four more shooting deaths last night including another child.

Violent Crime on Christmas Eve: 12-year-old among four killed in four shootings

That's sad, and so few details on the 12 yr old's shooting.

Still being investigated at the time the article was published. Common here until investigation over.

[weltschmerz]

The gun violence is out of control in my fair city. We've had 37 homicides this year, mostly gun related.
We've NEVER had that many in this city of 4 million.

[Opti]

Dec 28, 2021 17:18:06 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

The gun violence is out of control in my fair city. We've had 37 homicides this year, mostly gun related.
We've NEVER had that many in this city of 4 million.

The pandemic has stressed people out and some snapped. Recent article I read was some 23yr old male, went to a home and killed his grandmother, his father's gf, and saw his Dad in a car outside, shot at him and missed. Sped off. 

There needs to be training in HS IMO to realize this anger shall pass. Do not do things that might put you in jail or on the run for years, unless that's really your aim in life.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 25, 2021 18:22:51 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 25, 2021 18:12:59 GMT -5 Opti said:

That's sad, and so few details on the 12 yr old's shooting.

Still being investigated at the time the article was published. Common here until investigation over.

The police finally released the boy's name today and what basically happened. It did not say if a resident of the home was a target but the boy's home was struck by drive-by bullets and the young boy had been playing video games in his bedroom. The boy got up to leave the room and was struck by one of the bullets.

The boy was either the 29th minor shot in 2021 or the 29th minor shot and killed this year in Memphis. Sad for children regardless of the either/or.

[Deleted]

I remember when I was pregnant with DD, my first child, the Rodney King shit happening. I very clearly remember during the aftermath, watching video of that tractor trailer driver being beaten for no reason. I cried and was very upset, wondering what kind of world I was bringing my baby into.

I also remember seeing on Phil Donahue’s show some time later, that same trucker saying he forgave the people that did to him. I thought he was certainly a better person than me. 

But when I was upset and worried about the state of the world I was bringing a baby into, it was concern moreso for the things going on in other places and what those things said about us humans.

I had no idea that me and my baby would one day live in a neighborhood where I took my children to parks all the time instead of letting them play outside at home, for fear of the gunshots we often heard where we lived. Gunshots that my toddler son thought were just firecrackers, and I taught him to move away from the windows when he heard it, while trying to avoid explaining why.

I never heard gunshots anywhere I lived as a child. I don’t think I even knew what a gunshot sounded like until I was in my late teens.

My grandchildren are growing up in a world that is much scarier to me, than even the world my children grew up in. Much, much scarier than the world I grew up in. 

The scariest thing when I was a kid, was how we always ran when we saw a white van. Somebody driving a white van was killing children in Atlanta in the early ‘70’s. I don’t remember the whole story, but even though I lived 5 or 6 hours from Atlanta, a white van meant RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! And we always did. I’m sure the white van story has to be somewhere online, it was a pretty big deal back then, but I’m not going to look it up just to verify what I’m saying.

But we weren’t getting shot and killed at school, while we were inside our homes doing whatever, or shit….. just walking down the damn street. White vans were our biggest worry. My, how things change. And not always for the better.

[Tennesseer]

@pinkcshmere - You mentioned Rodney King.

I lived in Newark, New Jersey '91-'92 and often worked in Manhattan.  On April 29, 1992 it was my last day of working in Manhattan before moving to New Hampshire at employer's request.  On April 29, 1992 a jury found the four police officers who beat up Rodney King not guilty.  Riots erupted in Los Angeled.

Rumors started spreading in Manhattan that rioting had begun there as a result of the officers' acquital.  It was said rioters were tearing up Macy's departjent store and the Madison Squire garden area, and the Port Authority hub on 42nd Street.  The Port Authoruty is a major bus, subway and commuter train terminal. 

We kept on asking for news of the riots and what areas to avoid.  I normally would have walked to the Port Authority to catch my PATH (Port Authority Trans Hudson) train back to Newark.  But because we heard there was trouble there and instead of taking a subway (possible trouble on the subways)  to the World Trade Center (WTC)  to catch a PATH train to Newark I walked to the WTC (from mid-town to Wall Street/lower Manhsttan).

The streets of Manhattan were pretty empty by 3 p.m. due to these riots in Manhattan.  

When I got home I turned on the local news to see what was going on in Manhattan.  Not a thing had happened.  It was only rumors and rumors of riots had emptied the city.

It was an interesting day.


 

[dondub]

Dec 28, 2021 20:22:07 GMT -5 @pinkcshmere said:

I remember when I was pregnant with DD, my first child, the Rodney King shit happening. I very clearly remember during the aftermath, watching video of that tractor trailer driver being beaten for no reason. I cried and was very upset, wondering what kind of world I was bringing my baby into.

I also remember seeing on Phil Donahue’s show some time later, that same trucker saying he forgave the people that did to him. I thought he was certainly a better person than me. 

But when I was upset and worried about the state of the world I was bringing a baby into, it was concern moreso for the things going on in other places and what those things said about us humans.

I had no idea that me and my baby would one day live in a neighborhood where I took my children to parks all the time instead of letting them play outside at home, for fear of the gunshots we often heard where we lived. Gunshots that my toddler son thought were just firecrackers, and I taught him to move away from the windows when he heard it, while trying to avoid explaining why.

I never heard gunshots anywhere I lived as a child. I don’t think I even knew what a gunshot sounded like until I was in my late teens.

My grandchildren are growing up in a world that is much scarier to me, than even the world my children grew up in. Much, much scarier than the world I grew up in. 

The scariest thing when I was a kid, was how we always ran when we saw a white van. Somebody driving a white van was killing children in Atlanta in the early ‘70’s. I don’t remember the whole story, but even though I lived 5 or 6 hours from Atlanta, a white van meant RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! And we always did. I’m sure the white van story has to be somewhere online, it was a pretty big deal back then, but I’m not going to look it up just to verify what I’m saying.

But we weren’t getting shot and killed at school, while we were inside our homes doing whatever, or shit….. just walking down the damn street. White vans were our biggest worry. My, how things change. And not always for the better.

Although way up here in Seattle I remember those. Another serial killer like we had up here with Bundy and the Green River Killer.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_murders_of_1979%E2%80%931981

[hurley1980]

I used to have a gun.  My ex husband wanted to have one in the house, but couldn't get one, so I bought it.  It always made me so nervous, mostly because my ex was a very violent man.  We divorced because of multiple reasons, but one of them was domestic violence, and I had a restraining order against him for years. I never learned how to properly use the gun, and when it was stolen during a BBQ at my house (the clip was not in it, and I reported it stolen), I was somewhat relieved. 

I'm still scared of guns, and violence of any sorts, but I am seriously considering getting another 9mm.  I live alone and I feel like I need more protection than strategically placed axes, and a compound bow I haven't shot in 7 years.  This time I would take some classes though, so I know what the hell to do with it. 

I don't necessarily want a gun, but I feel like I'm going to need one, as the gun problem in this country will never go away.  Not that it would even help me.  If someone broke into my house, they would have a gun too, and would probably be a quicker shot than me. 

Ah America!  This place sucks!

[dondub]

Dec 29, 2021 16:22:28 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I used to have a gun.  My ex husband wanted to have one in the house, but couldn't get one, so I bought it.  It always made me so nervous, mostly because my ex was a very violent man.  We divorced because of multiple reasons, but one of them was domestic violence, and I had a restraining order against him for years. I never learned how to properly use the gun, and when it was stolen during a BBQ at my house (the clip was not in it, and I reported it stolen), I was somewhat relieved. 

I'm still scared of guns, and violence of any sorts, but I am seriously considering getting another 9mm.  I live alone and I feel like I need more protection than strategically placed axes, and a compound bow I haven't shot in 7 years.  This time I would take some classes though, so I know what the hell to do with it. 

I don't necessarily want a gun, but I feel like I'm going to need one, as the gun problem in this country will never go away.  Not that it would even help me.  If someone broke into my house, they would have a gun too, and would probably be a quicker shot than me. 

Ah America!  This place sucks!

“Strategically placed axes”! You rock Hurley! 🏹🪓

[weltschmerz]

Dec 29, 2021 16:22:28 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

I used to have a gun.  My ex husband wanted to have one in the house, but couldn't get one, so I bought it.  It always made me so nervous, mostly because my ex was a very violent man.  We divorced because of multiple reasons, but one of them was domestic violence, and I had a restraining order against him for years. I never learned how to properly use the gun, and when it was stolen during a BBQ at my house (the clip was not in it, and I reported it stolen), I was somewhat relieved. 

I'm still scared of guns, and violence of any sorts, but I am seriously considering getting another 9mm.  I live alone and I feel like I need more protection than strategically placed axes, and a compound bow I haven't shot in 7 years.  This time I would take some classes though, so I know what the hell to do with it. 

I don't necessarily want a gun, but I feel like I'm going to need one, as the gun problem in this country will never go away.  Not that it would even help me.  If someone broke into my house, they would have a gun too, and would probably be a quicker shot than me. 

Ah America!  This place sucks!

We had a home invasion where the ne'er do wells apologized and offered to pay for the damages.

www.vice.com/en/article/y3gbjx/canadian-crooks-apologized-after-realizing-they-broke-into-the-wrong-home-police

And another.....

A family didn't realize their home had been broken into until they found a bag with the stolen items along with $50 attached to a letter of apology from the thief.

The thief wrote that the burglary was "the worst mistake in my life" and that the money would cover the cost of repairing a screen door broken during the robbery.

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ontario-thief-returns-stolen-goods-leaves-50-for-damages-1.1287376

I love this country!

[Tennesseer]

I don't want a handgun in my home. 

Years ago on the old MSN boards someone recommended to me a shotgun instead of a handgun.  He told me if someone breaks into your home while you are in it, the sound of a cocking shotgun let alone a blast from it would send the crook running for his/her life.

I still might go that route.

[Tiny]

IDK, I don't want to have to constantly think of my own safety while I'm at home.

I think I'd rather have a "barky" dog - than a gun. I'm assuming who ever I would need protection from (with the gun) would already be IN my house... I'm hoping I never have to protect myself from someone I know.

I'm thinking a barky dog would help let me know there was a problem before someone got into my house. and I wouldn't need a gun.


I will move somewhere else if I have to go armed in public - because I was afraid of violence.

Being more afraid for my safety in public places than I already have because of being a woman - isn't not exactly my definition of "Freedom".

Having to step up my "protection" means I'm LESS FREE.

[hurley1980]

Dec 29, 2021 19:07:46 GMT -5 Tiny said:

IDK, I don't want to have to constantly think of my own safety while I'm at home.

I think I'd rather have a "barky" dog - than a gun. I'm assuming who ever I would need protection from (with the gun) would already be IN my house... I'm hoping I never have to protect myself from someone I know.

I'm thinking a barky dog would help let me know there was a problem before someone got into my house. and I wouldn't need a gun.


I will move somewhere else if I have to go armed in public - because I was afraid of violence.

Being more afraid for my safety in public places than I already have because of being a woman - isn't not exactly my definition of "Freedom".

Having to step up my "protection" means I'm LESS FREE.

My springer spaniel is such a barky dog, that no one would even try to enter my house because he's too loud.  The only way to get around him is if we are both asleep in the bedroom. 

I used to have 3 barky dogs, but I've lost my 2 oldest ones in the last 10 months.  Its way too quiet in my house, gonna have to rescue another dog! 

I'm still debating the gun thing though....a shotgun seems like it would be kinda badass! Not as cool as axes, but definitely more efficient.  

[Tiny]

I'm still debating the gun thing though....a shotgun seems like it would be kinda badass! Not as cool as axes, but definitely more efficient.

LOL, I'd be lying in wait (hidden behind one of the many doors in my house - so the intruder could get a face full of lysol spray or if I was really afraid for my safety I'd probably have a spray bottle of water and bleach OR water and ammonia .... I might die - but the intruder is gonna have something to remember me by for the rest of their life.


OK. that's all in my dreams....

[Deleted]

Dec 29, 2021 19:07:46 GMT -5 Tiny said:

IDK, I don't want to have to constantly think of my own safety while I'm at home.

I think I'd rather have a "barky" dog - than a gun. I'm assuming who ever I would need protection from (with the gun) would already be IN my house... I'm hoping I never have to protect myself from someone I know.

I'm thinking a barky dog would help let me know there was a problem before someone got into my house. and I wouldn't need a gun.


I will move somewhere else if I have to go armed in public - because I was afraid of violence.

Being more afraid for my safety in public places than I already have because of being a woman - isn't not exactly my definition of "Freedom".

Having to step up my "protection" means I'm LESS FREE.

Well, I’ve posted before about how I, as a citizen of the United States of America, am supposed to be FREE, but I’m not, really.

And what restricts true freedom in my life, is so far beyond and so much more complicated than *just* being afraid for my safety in public places.

And there is literally nowhere in the US that I can move to, to get away from that. I use to believe that it was just the southern part of the country that most of those ignorant people lived in. Then I went to a family reunion in Illinois in my 20’s….. Idk what year it was, but it was soon after 2004…… and got called a n_____ to my face, for the first time in my life. 

I grew up in a racially divided city, and I knew what was up, from the time I was about 7yo and living in an all white apartment complex. But I’d still never been called that to my face before. It did not go well, and it is far from my proudest moment in life.

The hardest thing about getting people to understand privilege, and specifically “white privilege” in the US, is it’s kind of hard to prove a negative. 

[Tennesseer]

Dec 29, 2021 19:25:30 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Dec 29, 2021 19:07:46 GMT -5 Tiny said:

IDK, I don't want to have to constantly think of my own safety while I'm at home.

I think I'd rather have a "barky" dog - than a gun. I'm assuming who ever I would need protection from (with the gun) would already be IN my house... I'm hoping I never have to protect myself from someone I know.

I'm thinking a barky dog would help let me know there was a problem before someone got into my house. and I wouldn't need a gun.


I will move somewhere else if I have to go armed in public - because I was afraid of violence.

Being more afraid for my safety in public places than I already have because of being a woman - isn't not exactly my definition of "Freedom".

Having to step up my "protection" means I'm LESS FREE.

My springer spaniel is such a barky dog, that no one would even try to enter my house because he's too loud.  The only way to get around him is if we are both asleep in the bedroom. 

I used to have 3 barky dogs, but I've lost my 2 oldest ones in the last 10 months.  Its way too quiet in my house, gonna have to rescue another dog! 

I'm still debating the gun thing though....a shotgun seems like it would be kinda badass! Not as cool as axes, but definitely more efficient.  

I have five dog houses (occupied by cats) in my fenced-in backyard with food bowls out in the open. A person up to no good just might think twice of breaking in through the backyard door seeing those dog houses.

[weltschmerz]

Dec 29, 2021 19:43:21 GMT -5 Tiny said:

I'm still debating the gun thing though....a shotgun seems like it would be kinda badass! Not as cool as axes, but definitely more efficient.

LOL, I'd be lying in wait (hidden behind one of the many doors in my house - so the intruder could get a face full of lysol spray or if I was really afraid for my safety I'd probably have a spray bottle of water and bleach OR water and ammonia .... I might die - but the intruder is gonna have something to remember me by for the rest of their life.


OK. that's all in my dreams....

Water and bleach? Try a can of hairspray and a lighter.